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Post by aline on Oct 11, 2021 16:10:11 GMT
is Aata trying to provoke Annie here (frame 7), a gambit to get her to reveal something she shouldn't in an angry response? (you can almost see the steam coming out of Annie's ears in frame 8!) I doubt he has any notion that one could be angry at what he just said. To him, despite their personalities and feelings, robots are objects. That's how he thinks of them and how he treats them. I bet most of us have more affection for our coffee machine than this dude has for the Court robots. If Annie yells at him about the robots next page I expect a condescending discourse about how they're piles of metals and she's being ridiculous.
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Post by aline on Oct 11, 2021 8:03:58 GMT
I don't think it really matters whether the robots have consciousness or not. It's more annoying that it's a statement that lacks personal responsibility. If you were the ones that thought of it, then it's not the robots who failed but you. Yes, that's part of what annoys me. He is so dismissive of the technology he used or stole even though evidently that was the best his team of people in suits could come up with. He's utterly disgusted by the etheric powers he ended up using, even though he admits its usefulness. And no reflection whatsoever on his own bad decisions. Although maybe he despises himself as much as he despises everything else, who knows. Coyote was right. He is one sad, bitter little man.
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Post by aline on Oct 11, 2021 7:24:45 GMT
"old technology" = tech you stole from Anja without her knowledge or permission "useless machines" = sentient creatures* who do all the hard and dirty work for you and whose personality you overrode without a second thought.
* I mean come on, there are rules about robots falling in love with humans. They know robots are not like photocopiers with legs.
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Post by aline on Oct 8, 2021 15:01:14 GMT
Wildspec but perhaps this latest plan was implemented because they realised whatever defence was at the bottom of the ravine was gone somehow and as revealed today, didn't fully trust the shield. There's already been a lot of discussion about that, but it's been said they've been trying to steal Coyote's powers for a long time. It's unlikely they set up this new plan solely because of Jeanne's disapearance, Loup's appearance, or any other recent event. It's just the latest installment of a goal that they've been pursuing probably for centuries.
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Post by aline on Oct 8, 2021 14:38:19 GMT
Whatever it was that Loup learned from the memory is what sent him over the edge, Shadow Men present or not. So, actually, Carver, it was Coyote's fault. And to a lesser degree, yours. That's your theory, not a fact. Coyote's aim was for Loup to be killed, he didn't need the Forest to explode. Obviously Coyote is not blame free in this, being responsible for Loup's existence in the first place. But that doesn't mean the shadow men's intervention didn't make things even worse. Aata knew perfectly well Loup could break the barrier, and he knew trying to steal Coyote's powers from him (the one thing Loup wanted most) was going to infuriate him. Aata can't not have known something like this had a high chance of happening. What he did was effectively a declaration of war against an angry god. And still he walked into it with zero plan B. Now that it did happen, he's... moping? He absolutely deserves to be blamed for this debacle. As for Jeanne, I'm 100% sure Coyote could have dealt with her in hundreds of different ways whenever it pleased him. I said this before but I really doubt a ghost, even a really angry one, could stop a god who can cut into reality itself. He was happy to see a bunch of kids provide him with that opening, but you don't seriously think he couldn't have done it without them.
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Post by aline on Oct 2, 2021 10:17:17 GMT
Wow it's WERID to hear Renard saying stuff like, "I'll tell your father so he can help us", after everything...but I have to admit, it makes sense here. After Parley & Eglamore, he's probably the most competent person they know in matters of adventure & emergency response, who would also be immediately willing to help them without waiting for bureaucracy. Actually, wait...isn't that Jones? Hm. Well, I guess she's a lot harder to get ahold of than Tony, so it still balances out. It's really not that weird. Especially when you consider they live in the same house. Jones has never exactly been Renard's friend. Outside from Annie and Kat, Rey seems closest to Eglamore, the very man who kept him nailed to the ground for decades, so I'm not even sure what qualifies as "weird" for Renard.
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Post by aline on Sept 15, 2021 7:04:56 GMT
Looks like Eglamore is seriously out of the loop on this one.
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Post by aline on Sept 6, 2021 7:12:38 GMT
Welp. I really hope not, but I'd say it'd be logical for ALL the scouting party to be wiped (-Annie, floating away): Eggers, various Shadow men, even Aata. Parley would have teleported away a couple, Cvet would have received a fine beating trying to fly away with another couple. Eglamore can also go very fast very high when he needs to. As for Aata, I doubt we've seen all he can do. There may be casualties but I'll bet all the people who have names are fine.
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Post by aline on Sept 6, 2021 7:07:54 GMT
Okay, was the forest contained somehow before all that? It was partly destroyed. The Court grew inside the Forest and essentially replaced it with buildings. It's implied that the divide created by Coyote was what stopped it from expanding further into Gillitie Woods iirc (and on the other side it reached the sea I guess)
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Post by aline on Sept 3, 2021 22:59:50 GMT
The Court / the Shadow men have tried to steal Coyote's powers since before Annie was born. Most likely the plan was discussed and agreed at the highest level before going through it. The technology needed to do it must have been under development at least long before she came to the Court, considering the power stations were almost certainly experiments run to develop it. They didn't tell Annie or even Eglamore about what they were planning. Technically they could still blame Annie because evil bureaucrats don't usually balk at rewriting history for their benefit, but they'd be knowingly lying through their teeths if they did that. That would be on the level of blaming it on the weather. It would probably be more a basis of "if Annie hadn't freed Jeanne, Coyote wouldn't have seen it as an opportunity to manipulate Ysengrin into killing him and becoming Loup, and Loup wouldn't exist to threaten the Court". As of now, the Court doesn't know about that. Also I don't think that was as critical as that. Coyote started planning this years ago, long before Jeanne was freed. I'm not convinced Jeanne was ever capable of stopping Coyote if he really decided to go all out, after what we've witnessed in this chapter. He probably could have come up with alternative ways of dealing with her. She was a really angry ghost, but he's a god.
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Post by aline on Sept 3, 2021 7:19:14 GMT
More likely, the Court would state that if it wasn't for Annie, the situation wouldn't have arisen where Aata and his Shadow Men met with Loup and tried stealing Coyote's power. The Court / the Shadow men have tried to steal Coyote's powers since before Annie was born. Most likely the plan was discussed and agreed at the highest level before going through it. The technology needed to do it must have been under development at least long before she came to the Court, considering the power stations were almost certainly experiments run to develop it. They didn't tell Annie or even Eglamore about what they were planning. Technically they could still blame Annie because evil bureaucrats don't usually balk at rewriting history for their benefit, but they'd be knowingly lying through their teeths if they did that. That would be on the level of blaming it on the weather.
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Post by aline on Sept 1, 2021 14:57:13 GMT
And the chapter ends with Loup waving hello, rather aggressively. Is this what Aata meant by "prove myself correct"? My theory on that is there are some rules on how shadow men are allowed to use those disgusting etheric powers, and Aata probably argued at some point that restricting magic like that wouldn't work because the temptation would be overpowering in a crisis. And now, in a crisis, he himself broke rules he probably helped to craft, thus proving he was right to have reservations. I guess we'll have to wait a while to find out for sure.
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Post by aline on Sept 1, 2021 8:44:49 GMT
Dude had like a zillion ways to prevent Annie from stabbing his vittles, so why go with this one? Because he wasn't set up to prevent it but to cause it. Coyote already told Annie he would force her hand. I'm sure it was easy enough for him to railroad Loup into his own demise, that's pretty much what Ysengrin's character is all about after all: being conned by a smarter creature, over and over again. Well, here we are. Annie can either kill Loup or watch her own people be annihilated.
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Post by aline on Aug 30, 2021 13:40:32 GMT
Where is Annie??? Did she get smooshed? She's fine. She's surfing.
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Post by aline on Aug 23, 2021 17:09:32 GMT
Annie's out of her depth here, That Guy knows it, so he calls her back. Like ImaginaryFriend says, I think he just wants to withdraw and assess the situation. All in all, a successful campaign where our heroes advanced valiantly away from the attacker! Very win, much success. Given the circumstances, if everyone's still breathing by the time they make it out of the Forest, that'll count as a win. I honestly never expected the body count to be that low.
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Post by aline on Aug 6, 2021 7:20:48 GMT
Interesting that Loup went for Annie first (can see Loup's claws being deflected by Eglamore's protection field), and Aata only second Annie was closest. I don't think he's discriminating, just trying to murder everything. Is Aata standing there because he's got more tricks up his sleeve or because he's just completely overwhelmed with how badly he has messed this up? He's some kind of demigod too, even if not a very successful one. I'm sure he's got a card or two he can play. He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would let himself be murdered out of disappointment.
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Post by aline on Aug 4, 2021 7:07:32 GMT
Don't you just LoSe YoUr MiNd when you find out one of your teeth is JUST A ROCK!!?? His white spot is GONE... I have no idea what this would mean.... The return of the lost memories? That spot got smaller and changed shapes after Annie returned the goose bone.
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Post by aline on Aug 4, 2021 7:04:09 GMT
Soooooo he's not taking it well, then
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Post by aline on Aug 2, 2021 12:20:46 GMT
Oh no! The angriest face! I don't think this is going to end well for anyone, so I'm not going to take any victory laps about aata being pissed. He's way too new to us to not cause more problems soon. Oh yeah, clearly. I mean, if Loup is indeed going to be dead soon, this story will need a new villain. Aata the Stasi boss is an excellent candidate.
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Post by aline on Aug 2, 2021 7:14:01 GMT
Aata is finding serenity hard to achieve this morning
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Post by aline on Jul 30, 2021 10:11:12 GMT
Oh that wouldn't surprise me at all. Coyote tells Annie she will have to kill Loup, then tells Loup that Annie will try and kill him, causing him to attack her and thus creating the circumstances in which Annie has to kill him in self defence in the first place. Coyote doesn't lie, but his half-truths are dangerous in themselves. Coyote did say he would make sure Loup didn't leave Annie a choice, so whatever he's saying is unlikely to make Loup open to negotiations.
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Post by aline on Jul 28, 2021 16:09:17 GMT
I am a bit disappointed the Shadow Men's trap seems to be evaded already. I'm still expecting plenty of trouble from them. They haven't managed to steal Coyote's powers, but they're still brewing something dangerous and it will explode in everyone's faces soon enough.
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Post by aline on Jul 26, 2021 14:50:13 GMT
I don't think she carries the Tooth on her. Renard usually carries it, right? That could mean, Eggs and George will be in deep trouble in few moments. Narative-wise, I'm guessing she(or Renard) will use the Tooth when no one is looking. If the Court knew about the Tooth, I imagine Suit-Buddha would quickly yank it. I wouldn't worry about Eglamore and Parley, they are well equipped to get themselves out of the way. But Loup won't stop his attack at the borders of the Forest and he already claimed that the Court's barrier couldn't stop him anymore. If he starts levelling buildings, things will get tense. Parley can teleport and Annie has a telepathic link with Rey, so getting to him to geretrieve the tooth shouldn't take more than seconds once Annie has made up her mind. The shadow men I think will be quite distracted by the homicidal god intent on ripping them into pieces. And since they don't even know the tooth exists, they might not even realize what is happening until it's already done.
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Post by aline on Jul 26, 2021 7:27:29 GMT
Well. I didn't really expect Coyote's plan to leave much room for Annie to ruin it by saying no. He does know she's not a killer.
I suppose Loup, who was already quite homicidal last time we saw him, is going to be in the mood to level the Court when time starts again. Annie will have to kill him or watch her home destroyed and her friends killed, and she won't have a choice.
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Post by aline on Jul 23, 2021 14:26:07 GMT
Is C hinting that Annie will take his place in the forest? Because if not, there's an obvious power vacuum and it seems unlikely C intends for the court to step in Who was in charge before coyote came to the forest? Ysengrin? Rey? I guess Rey would be the more likely choice to assume the role (assuming the forest truly cant exist without some kind of deity to keep it all running). Which would explain why coyote really wants him back in the forest. Those three came together to Gillitie Woods so if someone was in charge before Coyote, it wouldn't have been Rey or Ysengrin. But my guess is, no one. It's a magical forest, it doesn't necessarily need a system of government.
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Post by aline on Jul 23, 2021 7:48:48 GMT
I'm seeing that people are starting to get upset over Coyote's plan. And yet, I keep thinking back on the time where Coyote insisted on showing Annie how this is done ("this" being how the Forest animals' spirits got transported to the Court). Annie even pointed out this out. Then! Remember the first time Annie went into the forest after Loup's attack (before Loup spilt her into the two Annies), the first thing she saw was totems representing Coyote and Ysengrin. I'm really quite curious to see how these pieces would fit together. There is definitely something else going on. Yes! I was saying this a few weeks ago, I really think Coyote is trying to become human, and dying is that first step. That is a really fascinating idea and would explain why Coyote needs Annie to be the one to kill Loup.
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Post by aline on Jul 23, 2021 7:37:30 GMT
So just straight up killing all of three of them instead of "separating Coyote and Ysengrin" huh. That's what he says, but. It may not be possible to separate them, just like you wouldn't be able to separate the milk from the tea. In any case, Coyote said he wanted to die and we may assume it is one of his objectives, if not the only one. What I'm worried about is what is supposed to happen after. Coyote and Ysengrin have been effectively gone for a while now. Loup is highly unpleasant and we knew he'd die soon, even though I'm very displeased that he has to meet his end at Annie's hands. But what does Coyote mean "You will know what to do but not how to do it"? Something that needs to happen after Loup's death? What could it be?
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Post by aline on Jul 21, 2021 7:11:45 GMT
That page was posted in 2010! Coyote gave the tooth to Annie the same day he pushed her onto Ysengrin's path. Made her his friend and gave her the weapon to kill him. Or, I suppose, what would become of him. But Annie isn't a killer and she never considered using the blade against Loup so far. Coyote made sure Loup would get that knowledge at an appropriately dramatic time and that he would expect his own death. I wonder what the true endgame is.
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Post by aline on Jul 19, 2021 13:43:52 GMT
And then of all places they decided to settle in the heart of a forest filled to the brim with mystical and magical creatures. What could ever go wrong with this? I had the impression that the "grew tired of etheric tenet" came about after they settled in Gilltie Wood. I mean if you settle in the Alps and grow tired of mountains you could always go look for a plain instead. Or, apparently, embark on a cross-generational quest to level all mountains.
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Post by aline on Jul 19, 2021 8:24:48 GMT
Me, I think it's more like becoming independent of a parent than breaking free from a slaver. I think from a Gunnerkrigg Court World point of view, it's more like stamping on the ground because gravity dares to impede your progress and look for ways to remove one of the forces of the universe from the world. The difference is that in Gunnerkrigg, the ether exists as more than a theory. This isn't a philsosophical debate "was the universe created by God or by discoverable laws of nature". They're not arguing whether or not magic exists, they know magic exists and want it to stop existing. Childish, irresponsible, and a blunt demonstration of a complete lack of understanding of the working of their world because I suspect the consequences of their meddling would be far more serious than they imagine if we look at what Coyote's death did to Gillitie Woods.
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