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Post by atteSmythe on May 2, 2010 5:43:15 GMT
Oh, you're saying that it's the thing that's been causing her lapses into Zimmyworld all along? Well that's an interesting thought... but she'd been going to Zimmyworld for much longer than she's been at GC, as seen in Dobranoc Gamma. Tom even said once that she'd "been this way" her whole life, if I recall correctly. Not what I'd intended, no, but it is an interesting thought. The Court has been around a while. Wonder how long they've been messing with the Ether. I also think she'd be unlikely to come out again now that she knows the station's effect...I suppose the question is whether Jack realizes that or not. In the state he's in right now, "If I hurt her enough, she'll show herself" sounds like just about the right kind of logic to me.
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Post by Casey on May 2, 2010 5:53:48 GMT
I also think she'd be unlikely to come out again now that she knows the station's effect...I suppose the question is whether Jack realizes that or not. In the state he's in right now, "If I hurt her enough, she'll show herself" sounds like just about the right kind of logic to me. That seems reasonable, although it still brings into question why he was being so duplicitous about everything else up to that point. Especially if it gets revealed that Jack can "spring-heel" over the lake (it's been suggested, and I can't imagine what else he could be referring to when he says he's going to carry Annie across) then the whole and only reason for building the bridge, getting the board, and bringing Reynardine is to trap him and set him up to get the brass off his (Jack's) tail. I mean, Jack in the latest page is indicating that he can get across the lake without the boat, in some manner that involves carrying Annie. Whatever that is, it means that Jack could get to the island without Annie's or Rey's help. So why bring them along at all, if his original intent was just to turn on the station to try to draw out Zimmy? edit: getting the board = getting the boat
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Post by atteSmythe on May 2, 2010 6:02:44 GMT
That seems reasonable, although it still brings into question why he was being so duplicitous about everything else up to that point. Especially if it gets revealed that Jack can "spring-heel" over the lake (it's been suggested, and I can't imagine what else he could be referring to when he says he's going to carry Annie across) then the whole and only reason for building the bridge, getting the boat, and bringing Reynardine is to trap him and set him up to get the brass off his (Jack's) tail. Could be that his lake-jumping trick is something that'll only fire once. Could be that he really does think he's doing Annie a favor, and that he could get Zimmy, gain Antimony as an ally, and drop a decoy to delay his pursuers all in one productive evening - and with only having to show his face once. Heh, and that's assuming that Jack would leave Rey trapped once he leaves the island. Could be he was looking to do more than simply delay his pursuers. Maybe that's more sinister than he's expressed so far...I'm admittedly way out in speculation-land right now. I can say for certain, though, that I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to find out!
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Post by Casey on May 2, 2010 6:04:53 GMT
25 more hours my friend... 25 more hours...
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2010 6:32:16 GMT
Gotta back attesmythe up on this one.
This entire situation is an intersection of a huge amount of objectives for Jack, with some ultimate objective we don't have enough information to guess.
That said, I don't think this is really about Zimmy anymore. At least not entirely... I think Jack's focus is shifting toward another girl.
Jack's actions seem to be aimed at isolating Annie from the Court in a similar manner to his own situation. If I had to guess, due to their shared experience in Birminghell, Jack now looks at Annie as a possible kindred spirit and partner in crime.
Encouraging that point of view, Annie has been game for anything this entire chapter, regardless of her reactions to Jack's antics. This confirms to Jack that she's really "on his side".
Jack then decides to "(do Annie) a favour" in return, and activates the (possibly independently operating) array he reverse-engineered from Anya's etheric tech.
Reynardine is trapped in a feedback snarl. Instant decoy. With the possible bonus of Antimony being thankful to him for ridding her of an evil body-snatching demon.
Edit: I should know better when Casey's on the case. Removed the last four lines.
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Post by Casey on May 2, 2010 6:39:57 GMT
You said you had to back up attesmythe on this, and then you said something completely different from what he said.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2010 6:43:13 GMT
Um, not at all. Read attesmythe's last post, then read the first half of my post again.
Also keep in mind that the last four lines of that post are pretty much entirely facetious.
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Post by Casey on May 2, 2010 6:45:26 GMT
Yeah. You said you think Jack's all about Annie, and not Zimmy. No one's said this other than you... in fact Tom specifically said otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2010 6:46:34 GMT
OK, now I see what you mean.
Didn't really mean that it wasn't about Zimmy anymore, just that Jack is starting to view Annie as an important side-objective now, primarily due to the events of this chapter.
I.E. Get Annie because she will be helpful in getting Zimmy. He's starting to conflate the two.
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Post by Casey on May 2, 2010 6:49:54 GMT
Okay. Well anyway, 24 hours til some answers.
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Post by sebastian on May 2, 2010 14:51:06 GMT
The trap could induce shock, which could alter short-term memory. Rey could have a blank spot. That's just from the shock and pain. Who knows what the total parameters of the spell are, consider things from this point of view, you are security service for the etheric power station and you are called there for an alarm, here you find a powerful, trickster demon with the power of possession that is known to have already killed at least two persons, trapped in an binding seal, what do you do? Free him and interrogate him on the spot, or bring him still binded in a safe place where he can be interrogated without risking him to escape or worse?
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Post by sebastian on May 2, 2010 14:58:35 GMT
I mean, Jack in the latest page is indicating that he can get across the lake without the boat, in some manner that involves carrying Annie. Whatever that is, it means that Jack could get to the island without Annie's or Rey's help. So why bring them along at all, if his original intent was just to turn on the station to try to draw out Zimmy? edit: getting the board = getting the boat Because he needs to a) get into the station b) activate the station c) get out of the station d) find Zimmy He could do a e b simply jumping but he needed something to keep the Court busy while he did c and d, and here it comes Reynardine. If he consider his actual mental condition it is actually a good plan.
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Post by Alex on May 2, 2010 15:04:35 GMT
Has anyone mentioned the idea that maybe the station is powering the trap, and so it had to be on before the trap could fire? Maybe trapping Reynardine was the goal all along?
[Wild leap] Maybe Jack is actually acting as the agent of another power that wants to take Reynardine from Annie (could be the Court, could be a faction in the Court, could be Coyote...).
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Post by TBeholder on May 2, 2010 16:45:57 GMT
That seems reasonable, although it still brings into question why he was being so duplicitous about everything else up to that point. Especially if it gets revealed that Jack can "spring-heel" over the lake Jack's crazy, not stupid. He knows that Reynardine can veto whatever plans he have at a moment's notice. And even if he can jump across the lake, it hardly can help him to evade Papa Wolf With A Flower while inside, and if he have to carry Annie after, this involves both handling her and ditching Reynardine. Has anyone mentioned the idea that maybe the station is powering the trap, and so it had to be on before the trap could fire? [url=http://gunnerkrigg.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=939&page=3#36849 ]Yes[/url]. In my mind I am picturing a dart board with every available space riddled with darts. ;D
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Post by todd on May 2, 2010 22:15:24 GMT
[Wild leap] Maybe Jack is actually acting as the agent of another power that wants to take Reynardine from Annie (could be the Court, could be a faction in the Court, could be Coyote...). I think it's more likely that Jack is just working for himself (or at most, that etheric spider), and what we know about him suggests that this is all simply about finding Zimmy while evading the Court. The power station was a desperate resort at getting Zimmy's attention, since he couldn't find her under normal means; if that doesn't work, he'll try something else (probably even more desperate). Reynardine's his way of distracting the Court and providing a fall guy to take the blame.
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Post by Ignotus Somnium on May 3, 2010 2:10:41 GMT
[url=http://gunnerkrigg.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=939&page=3#36849 ]Yes [/url]. In my mind I am picturing a dart board with every available space riddled with darts. ;D[/quote] I might be wrong, but I don't think anyone's mentioned the theory that the spider is Jack's dad who was trapped in Zimmingham by messing with the same power station. Which would be ridiculous, but at the same time kind of hilarious.
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Post by cheddarius on May 3, 2010 6:56:42 GMT
Or that it's all Zimmy's dream.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2010 9:53:07 GMT
Or that the spider is Zimmy.
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Post by warrl on May 3, 2010 9:54:18 GMT
Regarding Jack's jumping, he apparently hasn't had a lot of time to practice the long-distance jumps. So maybe the power station is on a island and is too small for him to confidently jump to?
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