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Post by Casey on Apr 30, 2010 7:40:08 GMT
I don't agree that his intentions were good, at least for anyone but himself. I believe that his intentions were completely selfish and he's only trying to sway Annie by pitching it as a favor. I don't for a second think he thinks he's actually doing her a favor, because as avurai pointed out, Jack's already observed that Annie and Rey are close. I explained this more in the post just above your last one, which I think you hadn't read yet when you posted the one just now. Even if it was actually a selfish action, I don't think he was expecting Annie to object, or he wouldn't be trying to sell it in such a dumb way. I mean if he really thought Rey and Annie were close, he probably wouldn't be saying things like 'just leave him, let's get out of here and continue our adventures'. Well let's talk about something else. What do you think Annie's going to do next?
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Post by eightyfour on Apr 30, 2010 7:40:24 GMT
If it’s that easy to hack into, then their most important data should be kept somewhere where only the people who created it even know it exists. The interesting thing about this is, that they actually do have such a place on their network, as confirmed by Jack in #702. The question is, what kind of devil was riding them to put that program on the insecure part of the network? Well, on a side note, even the "basic" student information shouldn't be that easily available. Personnel data is by default confidential.
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Post by avurai on Apr 30, 2010 7:42:17 GMT
I mean if he really thought Rey and Annie were close, he probably wouldn't be saying things like 'just leave him, let's get out of here and continue our adventures'. Regardless of how caught up he is in his plans, I don’t think Jack is that clueless.
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Post by King Mir on Apr 30, 2010 7:42:53 GMT
Jeese people. Violence is not the answer. Sure, give him a hard slap in the face in the off chance that it may shock him enough to knock some sense into him. But not a beatdown. What's that gonna achieve? Besides, it's out of character for Annie. I'm interested in hearing ideas people have about what they think Annie -is- going to do. I've already mentioned trying to smash one or more of the little wall bugs. What are your other thoughts? I think removing one from the wall may be enough, disrupting the symbol. It's not clear if the program is fighting the antimony symbol or not, but it may be prudent to tell Rey he's allowed to leave the toy.
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Post by avurai on Apr 30, 2010 7:44:17 GMT
If it’s that easy to hack into, then their most important data should be kept somewhere where only the people who created it even know it exists. The interesting thing about this is, that they actually do have such a place on their network, as confirmed by Jack in #702. The question is, what kind of devil was riding them to put that program on the insecure part of the network? Well, on a side note, even the "basic" student information shouldn't be that easily available. Personnel data is by default confidential. Well, I meant more along the lines of “it’s not part of the database at all”, rather a system that’s it’s own entity. Hidden in some lab somewhere, that no one can see above ground.
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Post by avurai on Apr 30, 2010 7:46:37 GMT
I'm interested in hearing ideas people have about what they think Annie -is- going to do. I've already mentioned trying to smash one or more of the little wall bugs. What are your other thoughts? I think removing one from the wall may be enough, disrupting the symbol. It's not clear if the program is fighting the antimony symbol or not, but it may be prudent to tell Rey he's allowed to leave the toy. But, there is the possibility that removing one of the devices while it’s trapping Rey could make Rey stuck like that forever or cause some other form of damage.
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Post by Casey on Apr 30, 2010 7:52:33 GMT
It's not clear if the program is fighting the antimony symbol or not, but it may be prudent to tell Rey he's allowed to leave the toy. I think it would be very touching if Annie gave Rey permission to leave the toy, so that he could free himself from the pain that he was in. It would be a leap of faith, but you know what they say: if you love something set it free. ...problem is, though, that without another body to "arc" to, Reynardine would die.
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Post by King Mir on Apr 30, 2010 7:57:39 GMT
If it’s that easy to hack into, then their most important data should be kept somewhere where only the people who created it even know it exists. The interesting thing about this is, that they actually do have such a place on their network, as confirmed by Jack in #702. The question is, what kind of devil was riding them to put that program on the insecure part of the network? Well, on a side note, even the "basic" student information shouldn't be that easily available. Personnel data is by default confidential. The program is a personal project of Anya and co I think, so if there is to be any security on it, it would have to be written by them. The Chester and Foley information is, seemingly, protected from the teachers' access, by the administration. Personal data is not generally confidential from teachers, so its not surprising that jack was able to get to it.
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Post by avurai on Apr 30, 2010 8:01:39 GMT
The interesting thing about this is, that they actually do have such a place on their network, as confirmed by Jack in #702. The question is, what kind of devil was riding them to put that program on the insecure part of the network? Well, on a side note, even the "basic" student information shouldn't be that easily available. Personnel data is by default confidential. The program is a personal project of Anya and co I think, so if there is to be any security on it, it would have to be written by them. The Chester and Foley information is, seemingly, protected from the teachers' access, by the administration. Personal data is not generally confidential from teachers, so its not surprising that jack was able to get to it. As we were saying earlier, the fact that the program trapping Rey was right in public view, yet those students records were locked up, greatly worries me.
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Post by hal9000 on Apr 30, 2010 8:06:46 GMT
The interesting thing about this is, that they actually do have such a place on their network, as confirmed by Jack in #702. The question is, what kind of devil was riding them to put that program on the insecure part of the network? Well, on a side note, even the "basic" student information shouldn't be that easily available. Personnel data is by default confidential. The program is a personal project of Anya and co I think, so if there is to be any security on it, it would have to be written by them. The Chester and Foley information is, seemingly, protected from the teachers' access, by the administration. Personal data is not generally confidential from teachers, so its not surprising that jack was able to get to it. That really depends on the system in question; some places to have systems in place such that teachers can only see certain relevant facts about students directly under their tutelage, and others don't even allow access then. Considering that the court is not apparently such a place, and that additionally they have information that would be classified as Secret or at least Confidential in other locales on the same network as the student files, it makes the lack of data on Chester even more intriguing. Maybe the court considers those children 'weapons of mass destruction'? I wouldn't be surprised given what we've seen of Zimmy.
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Post by King Mir on Apr 30, 2010 8:13:05 GMT
Well, I meant more along the lines of “it’s not part of the database at all”, rather a system that’s it’s own entity. Hidden in some lab somewhere, that no one can see above ground. Maybe part of the remote access to the program uses the computer network. I think removing one from the wall may be enough, disrupting the symbol. It's not clear if the program is fighting the antimony symbol or not, but it may be prudent to tell Rey he's allowed to leave the toy. But, there is the possibility that removing one of the devices while it’s trapping Rey could make Rey stuck like that forever or cause some other form of damage. There is a risk, yes. If she can get Jack to shut it off, she will. But since that probably won't happen, she has to do something. It's not clear if the program is fighting the antimony symbol or not, but it may be prudent to tell Rey he's allowed to leave the toy. I think it would be very touching if Annie gave Rey permission to leave the toy, so that he could free himself from the pain that he was in. It would be a leap of faith, but you know what they say: if you love something set it free. ...problem is, though, that without another body to "arc" to, Reynardine would die. It would be up to Rey whether to and how to fight the program. Since the program is meant to bind him, it may prevent him from dieing once separating him.
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Post by dietcokeslamma on Apr 30, 2010 8:18:42 GMT
Even if it was actually a selfish action, I don't think he was expecting Annie to object, or he wouldn't be trying to sell it in such a dumb way. I mean if he really thought Rey and Annie were close, he probably wouldn't be saying things like 'just leave him, let's get out of here and continue our adventures'. Well let's talk about something else. What do you think Annie's going to do next? I predict that Annie will grab him by the jacket and very sternly tell him to let Rey go. Then he'll turn his head, scratch his cheek, and spout some reason why that's not possible. She may also attempt to talk to and comfort Rey while she tries to think of some way to free him (possibly using some etheric means).
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Post by King Mir on Apr 30, 2010 8:19:37 GMT
My point is that it's not the same people who are safe guarding Chester and Foley, and who are safeguarding Anya's program. So it is not necessarily true that court officials consider the information about Chester and Foley to be more sensitive than this program.
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Post by avurai on Apr 30, 2010 8:24:20 GMT
Whatever happens, if Rey comes out okay, he’ll be pissed. If/when Annie tries to set him free, Jack had better start running like a mad man.
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Post by Ignotus Somnium on Apr 30, 2010 8:31:26 GMT
Jeese people. Violence is not the answer. Sure, give him a hard slap in the face in the off chance that it may shock him enough to knock some sense into him. But not a beatdown. What's that gonna achieve? Besides, it's out of character for Annie. Just because she has an angry face, does not mean she's gonna turn violent. Certainly not when she has a friend to save. Hah, sorry, I was joking. xD Guess it didn't come across so well. I know chances are Annie won't fly off the handle, but it's amusing to think. More realistically, smashing the bugs seems too easy. It might cause the "circuit" to overload and make everything worse. Jack might have to deactivate it, which of course he doesn't want to. Almost willing to bet that Jack will blurt out something along the lines of "Why are you so concerned about him? You know he killed--" And then the Court MiB burst in.
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Post by King Mir on Apr 30, 2010 8:32:35 GMT
He's jumping across the lake. He's totally jumping across the lake. What? If he could, it would’ve been a lot easier for everyone if he’d done that in the first place, but whatever. There's a good chance Annie would not have agreed in that case.
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Post by Mishmash on Apr 30, 2010 9:15:00 GMT
Man hardly anyone seems to be weirded out by the "I'll carry you!" thing. That was the biggest point of this page to me, we already knew Reynardine was in pain. Telling Annie to leave Rey suffering and offering to carry her is seriously creepy stuff! He has definitely gone round the bend, whether you think his motivations are good or not.
I also want to mention how amused I was at Tom's t-shirt plug underneath. "Forget about that crazy guy for a second and look here!" Good way to relieve the tension so I am not going crazy myself waiting for Monday's update!
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Post by eleutherios on Apr 30, 2010 9:25:14 GMT
*sobbing tears of rage*
ANNIE! OPEN A CAN OF FIRE HEAD GIRL WHUP-ASS ON HIM! And I don't mean the spankies kind!
Hoo, boy. What if he really thinks that he's doing her a favour by exorcising the demon?
Also, "I'll carry you"?! Jack, my boy... you're losing it. -_-;
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Post by Aris Katsaris on Apr 30, 2010 9:33:27 GMT
We see him finishing up the construction of the bridge... but there was already a boat waiting for him next to the wall. And he didn't know how hard work rowing was, so he doesn't seem to have used it previously.
Large jumping potential also fits in with the "Spring-heeled" title of the chapter. And with his leaving out the window early in the chapter. And with some types of spiders. And we know Eglamore can use etheric abilities to boost his jumping.
I think Yin may have nailed it.
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Post by candlejack on Apr 30, 2010 10:01:01 GMT
Is it possible Jack knows Rey has a history of killings? Hence he is protecting our little Firehead from certain death (so he thinks)
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Post by kermittheforg on Apr 30, 2010 10:14:01 GMT
Besides, it's out of character for Annie. Just because she has an angry face, does not mean she's gonna turn violent. Certainly not when she has a friend to save. Nuts to that; this is precisely the time for violence: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=34
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Post by todd on Apr 30, 2010 10:53:01 GMT
I think that Annie should find out first exactly what Jack did to Reynardine before she tries to free him; smashing the nearest device might make things worse. (Part of the cause of this trouble was people meddling with things that they didn't understand - the Court meddling with the Ether; look what that led to.)
I'm also starting to feel worried about what happens when Jack comes across Zimmy (if that ever happens); the way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised if he tries using violence against her (or against Gamma) to get her to talk.
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Post by Nat on Apr 30, 2010 11:37:42 GMT
"Why are you so concerned about him? You know he killed--" "--my father!"? =0 Nah, that's a stretch.
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Post by todd on Apr 30, 2010 11:40:33 GMT
Is Jack doing Annie that much of a favor? Even if he gets her back across the lake, somehow, the Court knows about Annie's hold over Reynardine; they'll be asking her a lot of questions about how he wound up on the power station when they find her. Unless Jack's plan is for himself and Annie to escape from the Court entirely afterwards.
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Post by idonotlikepeas on Apr 30, 2010 11:49:42 GMT
I think his goal here might actually be to get Annie to try to hit him in the face.
Nevertheless, I sincerely hope that Annie tries to hit him in the face.
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Post by centzontotochtin on Apr 30, 2010 12:07:58 GMT
I don't know why, but for some reason I found this page to be hilarious. It possibly has something to do with Jack's expression and comment in the last panel, given the context.
I'm guessing that Annie will violence Jack up, turn him over to the guards and in return Anja or someone will tell her where Reynardine will be kept after being removed from Jack's trap. That way she'll be able to retrieve him on the sly.
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Post by optern on Apr 30, 2010 12:22:09 GMT
Bizarre, bizarre, and better all the time! An interesting chapter.
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Post by todd on Apr 30, 2010 12:22:52 GMT
I don't know why, but for some reason I found this page to be hilarious. It possibly has something to do with Jack's expression and comment in the last panel, given the context. I'm guessing that Annie will violence Jack up, turn him over to the guards and in return Anja or someone will tell her where Reynardine will be kept after being removed from Jack's trap. That way she'll be able to retrieve him on the sly. Assuming that she'll have the opportunity after this; something tells me that this incident is going to encourage the Court to upgrade its internal security. Not to mention that she'd have to hide Reynardine permanently in her room after that (unless the Court dared not officially confiscate him for fear that doing so would allow Reynardine to escape from his body once again).
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Post by Afalstein on Apr 30, 2010 13:29:26 GMT
Dangit, I LIKED Jack. He was good with electronics, he had an etheric bent for a while there, he had a cool trenchcoat...
Now Annie's going to be pretty mad at him. Chances are she's going to stay and help Reynardine, and maybe get caught by the authorities doing so. Unless it turns out that that spider is causing Jack some SEVERE problems, she's not going to be on good terms with him for a while.
Don't know whether Jack is trying to be helpful or not. He's obviously very willing to USE Reynardine as a distraction--his note shows that he was planning this sort of thing all along--but at the same time he might honestly believe he's doing Annie and the court a favor. I hadn't considered that he might just be saying that to sell it to Annie, but he doesn't seem to be trying to convince her as much as justify himself.
Probably he just saw it as a perfect meshing of goals. He gets a distraction, he solves a court problem, and he gets the girl.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Apr 30, 2010 13:29:27 GMT
So Jack could have gotten across the lake without a boat; he only used the boat so that Rey could accompany them and be the fall guy. As for Annie's next action, I think we've got a precedent for this kind of situation. "First we free Reynardine." I think this situation has grown beyond the point that Annie can help Jack on her own. I seriously hope she goes to someone else for help. Considering how lenient the Court's been with Annie in the past, I think it would actually be in everyone's best interests if Annie got caught and came completely clean about this night's events. Pooling their information is obviously the only way anyone's going to know enough to help Jack.
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