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Post by freeformline on Dec 12, 2013 5:28:11 GMT
I don't relate to the fear of losing friends because I never had that fear; and when I did lose all my friends I got over it quickly. That sounds lonely. I mean, you seem fine, but it sounds lonely. Some people don't feel lonely. I have never felt that particular emotion, and, to the best of my knowledge, neither have the other male members of my immediate family. Even at college, without any real friendships (yet), and far from my family, I am perfectly comfortable. Where others see isolation, I see solitude and savor it. Legion my be a similar case. I guess a good clarification to make is that I actually have lots of friends at home. I'm perfectly friendly and can pretend to be quite social when I venture out of my cave, but I need a lot of time and space to myself.
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Post by warrl on Dec 12, 2013 7:30:44 GMT
I'm perfectly friendly and can pretend to be quite social when I venture out of my cave, but I need a lot of time and space to myself. This. SO MUCH this. It's called being an introvert. www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2003/03/caring-for-your-introvert/302696/For us introverts, message boards like this are absolutely wonderful. We can get all the social interaction we need without ever having to deal with people.
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Post by wynne on Dec 12, 2013 10:23:42 GMT
I'm perfectly friendly and can pretend to be quite social when I venture out of my cave, but I need a lot of time and space to myself. This. SO MUCH this. It's called being an introvert. www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2003/03/caring-for-your-introvert/302696/For us introverts, message boards like this are absolutely wonderful. We can get all the social interaction we need without ever having to deal with people. I'm an introvert myself, so no need to lecture. I get the "being alone" bit. I guess what I'm saying is, it's one thing to not have a lot of friends or be particularly social, it's another thing to brush off losing friends as if it's nothing. Even if you're an introvert, those relationships are generally important. And when you don't have a lot of friends, due to the whole introvert thing, losing them can deal even more of a blow. Someone who has a gazillion friends and loses one? Eh, you can find a new one by next Tuesday. Someone who has maybe three close friends and loses one? Well, there goes one-third of the all the people you actually like talking to. Not to mention, you know, the whole losing someone you were very close to and cared about part of it. It takes me a good long while to become close friends with someone, but those friendships are very dear to me. Even if I need to recharge by myself for a large chunk of the day. Not everyone feels that way, as freeformline has demonstrated, and that's perfectly fine, but "introverted" does not automatically mean "I don't need friends."
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Post by thedoctor on Dec 12, 2013 10:57:18 GMT
I'm an introvert myself, so no need to lecture. I get the "being alone" bit. I guess what I'm saying is, it's one thing to not have a lot of friends or be particularly social, it's another thing to brush off losing friends as if it's nothing. Even if you're an introvert, those relationships are generally important. And when you don't have a lot of friends, due to the whole introvert thing, losing them can deal even more of a blow. Someone who has a gazillion friends and loses one? Eh, you can pick up a new one by next Tuesday. Someone who has maybe three close friends and loses one? Well, there goes one-third of the everyone you actually want to talk to. Not to mention, you know, the whole losing someone you were very close to and cared about part of it. As another fellow introvert, I can agree with this statement. Also, I've discovered that while I kind of like just spending time in my cave, it's not particularly healthy for me; I tend to become pretty melancholy if I do. And to bring this back to the comic, who else thinks Annie is a HUGE introvert? Your description of the way introverts feel about losing friends makes a lot of sense when applied to Annie!
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Post by wynne on Dec 12, 2013 11:14:12 GMT
who else thinks Annie is a HUGE introvert? Your description of the way introverts feel about losing friends makes a lot of sense when applied to Annie! I can't even decide with her. On the one hand, she definitely has the "being alone" thing down, and always keeps all those masks up. On the other hand, you'd think that fire elementals would be pretty extroverted. Though if it's a question of recharging, you could argue that they get their fire "from within." It's interesting because Surma seems to have been a pretty clear extrovert. And even though Annie has her literal spirit, she's still very much her own person.
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Post by thedoctor on Dec 12, 2013 11:18:24 GMT
Will this be resolved so easily? I can kinda see Annie responding to Kat's efforts with "Well, you say that..." If she's really intensely convinced that everyone she cares about is destined to leave her completely, I'm not sure a few words from Kat will dispel these feelings right away. I feel like it's one of those depression/anxiety things where the only "fix" is Annie developing out of it on her own at some point in the future. It's not something you just talk somebody out of. I feel like the best we can expect from Annie in this scenario is a half-hearted "yeah I guess" after Kat tries to convince her that she's wrong. I'll be kinda amazed if Annie just gets over it here and now and it never comes up again. Well, they are still roommates. So Annie-Kat time is still definitely a thing. And even Winsbury and Janet still hang out with other people (as Matt and Winsbury are apparently good enough friends to communicate in pained looks and bail each other out). Heh, just went back and re-read that chapter. Jack is surprisingly insightful on relationships and life in general; he's actually a pretty good friend and counsellor to Annie in that chapter, despite her messing with him. Also, Winsbury and Janet ARE dating, right? But do the group actually know it? These pages had me confused a little bit. (Especially Bud's line on 945; he's supposed to be a psychic for crying out loud!)
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Post by TBeholder on Dec 12, 2013 12:15:00 GMT
On the other hand, you'd think that fire elementals would be pretty extroverted. Like this?
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Post by thshrkpnchr on Dec 12, 2013 13:17:00 GMT
I'm an introvert myself, so no need to lecture. I get the "being alone" bit. I guess what I'm saying is, it's one thing to not have a lot of friends or be particularly social, it's another thing to brush off losing friends as if it's nothing. Even if you're an introvert, those relationships are generally important. And when you don't have a lot of friends, due to the whole introvert thing, losing them can deal even more of a blow. Someone who has a gazillion friends and loses one? Eh, you can pick up a new one by next Tuesday. Someone who has maybe three close friends and loses one? Well, there goes one-third of the everyone you actually want to talk to. Not to mention, you know, the whole losing someone you were very close to and cared about part of it. As another fellow introvert, I can agree with this statement. Also, I've discovered that while I kind of like just spending time in my cave, it's not particularly healthy for me; I tend to become pretty melancholy if I do. And to bring this back to the comic, who else thinks Annie is a HUGE introvert? Your description of the way introverts feel about losing friends makes a lot of sense when applied to Annie! I think that she's introverted (so much that one may think she's an emotionless girl) at the start due to her early childhood spent in a hospital, rarely meeting anyone beside her mom, her distant father and etheric beings. But since then, character development have taken over, and I see Annie as a bit of both. She can act like her father some times, but also can be pretty upbeat(chapter 32, 36 and 42).
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Post by Corvo on Dec 12, 2013 13:25:30 GMT
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Post by thshrkpnchr on Dec 12, 2013 13:41:34 GMT
*nod* Seeing the phrase "hot-headed introvert" somehow makes me smile Also a thing popped in my mind: how do their first ancestors reproduce? Fire elementals don't have genes, right?
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Post by keef on Dec 12, 2013 14:05:12 GMT
*nod* Seeing the phrase "hot-headed introvert" somehow makes me smile Also a thing popped in my mind: how do their first ancestors reproduce? Fire elementals don't have genes, right? Thought about that, her human ancestor must have been a pyromaniac, no clue what the attraction was for her. And of course etherical beings don't need genes, because of magic/ because Tom said so. And it's a nice illustration of Coyotes big secret.
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Post by GK Sierra on Dec 12, 2013 18:42:31 GMT
Also a thing popped in my mind: how do their first ancestors reproduce? VERY CAREFULLY Someday I hope Oglaf will illustrate the scene, but for today we must use our imaginations.
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Post by crater on Dec 12, 2013 19:51:27 GMT
Also a thing popped in my mind: how do their first ancestors reproduce? VERY CAREFULLY Someday I hope Oglaf will illustrate the scene, but for today we must use our imaginations. like this: the smooth jazz sack is a must skip to 1:00 to see the sweet sweet fire lov'in
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