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Post by dracazula on Mar 11, 2013 21:09:48 GMT
Majority of people seem to think it's not a problem. Just go ask Tom; he'll settle things once and for all.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Mar 11, 2013 21:10:19 GMT
People keep posting my observations before I can. 3. What's with the two suns (not including the little one by Wandering Eye)? Or is one the moon? Is it just a inflammation reference? I believe those extra "suns" were present in the original Flammarion engraving as well. So they're probably just planets (as someone in the Middle Ages might have pictured them).
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Post by Nnelg on Mar 11, 2013 21:13:40 GMT
Majority of people seem to think it's not a problem. Just go ask Tom; he'll settle things once and for all. If I could, if I only could... Until then, majority belief doesn't change a thing. (Unless you're George Orwell, that is.)EDIT: (To clarify: I don't use Twitter, Tom hasn't answered his Formspring in months, and he might not even be willing to answer in the first place.)
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Post by sapientcoffee on Mar 11, 2013 21:20:31 GMT
Oh really? Now try it with your palm facing the ground, your upper arm/shoulder pointed downwards, and wrist mostly straight. Agreed. I find it more likely that Tom, while a good artist, is far from perfect, then that being someone else's hand. Kat's upper arm just needs to angle across her chest and bam, there's the pose. And yes, I can copy that pose just fine. Seriously, dude. Can I grab my opposite upper arm? Yes. Will it look exactly like the treatise? No. Like I said, "Kat's upper arm just needs to angle across her chest and bam, there's the pose." Also like I said, I think this was an oops on Tom's part and will continue to think that until he says/proves differently.
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Post by steelpanther on Mar 11, 2013 22:15:04 GMT
BTW, did we ever have this much eye focus: the peacock feather, the glass eyed man + robot(?), the satellite depicted literally as an eye in the sky, Jones' wandering eye symbol in the center, the Ophanim which is basically made of eyes This is what I saw at first. The Wondering Eye sign in the center, the Microsat-Thing on the right, and the "eyes" on the wheel all have the same shape. I am now also wondering about the size of the gap between Court and Forest. It seems excessively large in this picture.
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Post by Lightice on Mar 11, 2013 22:30:24 GMT
If I could, if I only could... You could. Tom's response: Yes, it is Kat's hand on Annie's hand which is on Kat's shoulder. This is the second time I've had to make a stupid question to Tom over a forum debate, now. And it's always about hands, for some reason!
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Post by philman on Mar 11, 2013 22:49:00 GMT
I think the mistake people are making with the arm is just because they are assuming the little bend in her right sleeve is her elbow, when it is actually just a little crease in the arm of her shirt, although the arm is at a weird angle.
Seriously, occams razor people.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 22:58:27 GMT
Seriously, occams razor people. That's like the exact opposite of how Gunnerkrigg speculation works, jeez!
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Post by Nnelg on Mar 12, 2013 0:02:08 GMT
Tom's response: Yes, it is Kat's hand on Annie's hand which is on Kat's shoulder. Well then, I'll admit that I was wrong.
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Post by sapientcoffee on Mar 12, 2013 0:04:29 GMT
Classy move. *fist bump*
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Post by basser on Mar 12, 2013 0:41:53 GMT
Glad that's cleared up then.
Even if you're working on something important you can still miss small mistakes like that. Staring at the same picture for hours does crazy things to your sense of perspective.
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Post by GK Sierra on Mar 12, 2013 1:33:36 GMT
Seriously, occams razor people. That's like the exact opposite of how Gunnerkrigg speculation works, jeez! Exactly. GK speculation works on brute-force guessing. Sooner or later we get one right.
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Post by quoodle on Mar 12, 2013 1:59:30 GMT
If I could, if I only could... You could. Tom's response: Yes, it is Kat's hand on Annie's hand which is on Kat's shoulder. This is the second time I've had to make a stupid question to Tom over a forum debate, now. And it's always about hands, for some reason! Twitter's kind of handy, isn't it?
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Post by sapientcoffee on Mar 12, 2013 2:03:41 GMT
That's like the exact opposite of how Gunnerkrigg speculation works, jeez! Exactly. GK speculation works on brute-force guessing. Sooner or later we get one right. I'm seeing a dart board, completely riddled with darts. (Anyone remember which page the proper quote is on?)
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Post by exuberancium on Mar 12, 2013 4:08:57 GMT
Exactly. GK speculation works on brute-force guessing. Sooner or later we get one right. I'm seeing a dart board, completely riddled with darts. (Anyone remember which page the proper quote is on?) www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=250
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Post by quoodle on Mar 12, 2013 4:35:54 GMT
That necklace with the blinker stone is kind of tight around her neck, and as was mentioned earlier, the one given by her mother is not there. I would imagine it makes it easier to use - instead of having to summon it first. (Plus it shows her love for Mort). Here's a place where she was wearing both:
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Post by faythofdragons on Mar 12, 2013 5:09:40 GMT
Twitter's kind of handy, isn't it? I see what you did there.
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Post by atteSmythe on Mar 12, 2013 14:08:14 GMT
I think the mistake people are making with the arm is just because they are assuming the little bend in her right sleeve is her elbow, when it is actually just a little crease in the arm of her shirt, although the arm is at a weird angle. I think it's the shirt cuff that does it for me. With Kat's arm coming across her chest, it should be at the same angle as her chest, which means we should have a view of the inside of her shirt cuff. Drawn as it is, it looks to be parallel with the plane of the image. Minor detail, though, and I know I wouldn't have ever noticed if not for a page and a half of talking about it here, and going back to stare at it. Indeed!
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Post by 0o0f on Mar 12, 2013 14:38:20 GMT
And now I won't be able to unsee that. It didn't even occur to me that the hand would be anyone else's than Kat's. It might look awkward, but perspective is awkward, even when you're a good artist like Tom. (Well, I'm guessing it's the perspective that makes it look awkward, like it should look more foreshortened? But we don't actually see much of her arm, since it's covered by a sleeve.) In any case I doubt it's Anthony's of all people. You'd think his hand would be larger than that, and if not, that would *definitely* look like an artistic flub. Honestly, I think if the arm was supposed to be anyone else's than Kat's, it should have looked more obvious than that. Anyway, my first thought when seeing the feather was phoenix, but it wouldn't surprise me if someone's already said that. Edit: Oh right, Tom's response. (I think another part of it is their cartoony proportions. I don't think my own arm could reach that far across my chest like that, but I also have a much bigger torso than Kat.)
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Post by quoodle on Mar 12, 2013 17:32:57 GMT
Anyway, my first thought when seeing the feather was phoenix, but it wouldn't surprise me if someone's already said that. I had mentioned a peacock feather - but the "eye" on the end doesn't look exactly right. (perhaps the eye symbolism is all that' needed). I cant argue against a phoenix feather, since it's a mythical creature - is there a traditional rendering of what one looks like?
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Post by philman on Mar 12, 2013 19:40:54 GMT
phoenixes are usually golden/fire coloured, but are often drawn with extravagant plumage as well, I suppose mimicking the chaotic tendrils of fire reaching out when something burns.
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Post by lukaswhite on Mar 12, 2013 20:20:34 GMT
I haven't been around the site long enough to see all this prediction stuff, but I'm enjoying this! For one, the Throne (eye-wheel). I wasn't aware of the phototransmitters or whatever until reading this, and now it seems obvious; Gunnerkrigg Court is "Man's endeavor to become god", after all. And high-ranking angels=god generally, right? The Microsat 5, plus the bone tendrils, plus the pattern in the back (which, while not necessarily heart rate, may be some other vital sign) does give the impression that the Microsat has something to do with Annie's sudden illness. But, Kat's dad helped her send it up. That makes me question our ability to trust him. The peacock feather reminded me of Robot Angel ZimmyVision!Kat. Especially the prismatic color on them both. Meaning? Who knows? gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1049 See on her "wings"? Of course, any number of these ideas could be wrong, but whatever.
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Post by Lightice on Mar 12, 2013 20:55:15 GMT
phoenixes are usually golden/fire coloured, but are often drawn with extravagant plumage as well, I suppose mimicking the chaotic tendrils of fire reaching out when something burns. Well, all the tones on that feather are tones that fire takes, from the cool red flames to the white-hot ones. It'd be pretty interesting if it was a Phoenix-feather, actually -- I'd have to wonder how it's related to Annie. Incidentally, I just realised a little while ago that Coyote's face is probably meant to resemble a Native American mask, here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 20:59:22 GMT
Well, this is the first treatise to feature Annie without any direct connection to fire. Annie's kind is basically somewhere between time lord and phoenix.
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Post by crank on Mar 12, 2013 22:13:30 GMT
Has anyone speculated that the crossed-out heart on Kat's shirt might be a program to stop robots from falling in love with her? Using her moms computer program.
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Post by goldenknots on Mar 12, 2013 22:18:41 GMT
Has anyone speculated that the crossed-out heart on Kat's shirt might be a program to stop robots from falling in love with her? Using her moms computer program. I rather like that idea.
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Post by Lightice on Mar 12, 2013 22:23:00 GMT
Has anyone speculated that the crossed-out heart on Kat's shirt might be a program to stop robots from falling in love with her? Using her moms computer program. In that case it's working really badly.
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Post by crank on Mar 12, 2013 22:35:04 GMT
Baha, well I assume she will have to write it herself now that she's getting robot love-letters in the mail. (this is assuming that the letter she just got is indeed from a robot...)
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Post by dracazula on Mar 12, 2013 22:38:34 GMT
I'm betting the letter isn't from a robot, since that doesn't seem like a big enough deal for an end-of-book cliffhanger. It's probably from Paz or Alistair, and the heart has something to do with her future relationship problems.
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Post by oeilvagabond on Mar 13, 2013 13:00:15 GMT
I can't add much about the treatise itself, just wonder where Rey has gone to?
The presence of Microsat5 with an eye on it did make me think about the song The Eye in the Sky by Alan Pasons Project. It does look like it's been written by Coyote "I can read your mind" "I am the maker of rules, dealing with fools" "Don't let fire rush to your head". The cover of the album of the same name showed the Eye of Horus, another psychopump and the song before is Sirius (the dog star: Isengrin?).
Has this song been written about Gunnerkrig Court in 1982, in Surma's time? Has Coyote manifested himself in our world even before Tom wrote about him, as he exists only in the minds of Men? Crazy overanalysis is fun! :-)
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