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Post by Interactive System Error on Mar 11, 2013 8:12:16 GMT
Is that her blinker stone at Annie's throat?
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Post by quoodle on Mar 11, 2013 8:12:34 GMT
So much to notice:
- Two of the printed circuit lines (at the top) end in two human figures. (a love interest?) - The feather is a peacock feather. I don't think we've seen one of those previously. (and we can get into peacock symbolism) - Annie still has the spirit scar on her left cheek. - Is Annie not wearing Makeup? (or has she changed the color of her eye shadow?)
I do agree, that hand which I originally thought was Kat' hand doesn't seem to have the right perspective - it also seems to have 1 too many fingers (or is there a second hand underneath?). Is that hand pushing Annie's hand away? OTOH - it is Kat's flesh tone (not Annie's dad's or another student).
EDIT: The extra finger i just her sleeve - the fingers work right. The arm position is lightly off, perhaps.
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Post by krael on Mar 11, 2013 8:22:36 GMT
Most interesting element so far, I find the two figures above the girls that are holding hands. Clearly they are robot and shadow2. Of course it's nice that they show friendship between the forrest and the court, but what I especially like is that robot got such a similar design to the shadowpeople; basically only his color is different. I think it nicely accentuizes that not on the shadowmen, but also robots are 'created people'. I for one, uptill now, missed this obvious example of the court trying to emulate the gods.
edit: also note Ysengrins left ear: It's cut of, but the wound is filled by whitish light. JUST LIKE HIS SKULLTHAT WAS BRUTALLY CRACKED OPEN BY COYOTE
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Post by penta on Mar 11, 2013 8:35:33 GMT
Something that bothers me is... where is Renard? Everybody's here, but Reynardine seems to be missing...
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Post by americonedream on Mar 11, 2013 8:38:00 GMT
Ahhh, I thought the head chunk missing was just a stylized thing but it makes even more sense as his memories being taken away but his ear too? AAGH! What if the missing ear was from a scrimmage with Coyote that he doesn't even remember now? The ear taken off while he was trying to steal a memory and as a result stole more and Ys doesn't remember it? Daaang, I hope not! EDIT: Oh, you're right, Penta, he's been in the last few treatises aside from the first, where'd he got this time? :c
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Post by hnau on Mar 11, 2013 8:51:49 GMT
If the eye is Microsat 5, why is it not on the same sphere as the stars? Also: Coyote is partly outside, too.
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Post by crumbles on Mar 11, 2013 9:45:00 GMT
If the eye is Microsat 5, why is it not on the same sphere as the stars? Also: Coyote is partly outside, too. I'd say, that makes it even more likely it's Microsat 5, as satelites are quite close to the earth, they are still in earth's orbit, while the moon, the sun and the stars are further away (and therefore should be on seperate spheres). I'm also missing Renard. He's been in all of the treatises (except for no 1), though he seemed to have different importance-levels (in one being equal to Coyote, in another equal to Ysengrin, in one just a tiny figure on the bridge). Where are Annies other necklaces (Coyotes tooth, her Antimony-Symbol)? Why are the lines, that connect to the two persons not lighted, like the others? (The persons don't really look like Parley and Smitty to me though, at least I would miss the court-protector symbol.) Also, no earth symbol in this one. There has been one in most treatises as well. Annie seems to be "entangled" with the forest (branches in her hair), but Kat has no such visual entanglement with the court. Also where's the seed bismuth symbol? And no Jeanne in this picture either (she was rather dominant in the last one). And I find it interesting, that the moon has always been placed on the courts side and the sun on the forests side, but Annie meddled with the moon (fingerprint) and Kat thinks the sun cooler ( here). And to me, the fingers/bones in Annies hair are clearly a reference to those fingers/bones her father put(?) in her heart in chapter 38. They almost look like roots here, though. I have no idea what the red peacock feather is about. Peacock feathers are normally blue/pruple as well, so this one makes me think of Phoenixes (because it's flame-colored). And even if the hands/arms have odd angels, for me they belong to Annie and Kat basically, because there's no hint on whom else they might belong to and because skin colours match. Kat's hand seems a bit large, though. And the heart to me is a reference to Kat giving and taking life from the robot in chapter 33. All in all, this treatise rather seems to look back, than up ahead? Ah, I always like the treatises =) Loads of stuff to think and speculate about and nice to look at PS: I'm not really new, I've been a constant reader at least since chapter 25 xD And lurking on the forums since then as well
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Post by saccro on Mar 11, 2013 9:56:29 GMT
Here, for reference, are the previous treatise: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=120www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=293www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=558www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=832What I'm seeing in this one: Kat and Annie with their respective symbols. Robot and Shadow 2 above them. A symbol which I think represents the division (will have to check) above them; my pure speculation is that for whatever reason the same thing could happen to robot and shadow 2 that happened to Jeanne and Green dude. The two figures on their own on the left below the stars could be Parley and Smitty, given the height disparity. The thing above coyote has squares above and below it so it looks like a satellite. Microsat five would be the obvious conclusion, and it's on Annie's side of the frame, but the eye in the middle makes me think of coyote's nickname for Jones. A satellite could be referred to as a wandering eye. Kat has a peacock feather, so I expect the avian affection is still on Tom's mind. The things (bones) tangled Annie's hair are making me think of this page: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1040and the ring of teeth coyote put around annie's wrist.
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Post by Toloc on Mar 11, 2013 9:58:59 GMT
What's with the graph under the microsat eye? There are four stars and the wandering eye in addition to the usual sun + moon I'd say the things pointing to Annie's heart are 'just' her father's etheric bone lasers Kat's hearts seems broken, not crossed out. I think that's Kat holding Annie's hand and perspective/anatomy is just messed up. No idea about the flaming peacock feather Just made the link that the light sensitive resistors replace the eyes on the wheels within wheels angel, made me chuckle.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 10:05:55 GMT
Obviously, we won't know the significance of much of this symbolism until the end of the next book, or later.
That said, the two most interesting things that I noticed were Annie visibly wearing the blinker stone around her neck (and not her mother's necklace) and the representation of what might be Microsat 5 in the upper right - a brown eye looking directly at the reader, with three solar panels above and below each, floating above what could be the graphical representation of Annie's heartbeat.
That said, the real most interesting thing was something that y'all caught - whatever hand may be holding Annie's. At first it appears to be Kat's, but if you look closer and follow the lines, something seems a tad bit off...could just be stylized or a rare Tommistake, but I doubt it.
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Post by keeana on Mar 11, 2013 10:12:39 GMT
I'm wondering if the heart symbol on Kat's shirt is like a computer program of her own. Her parents have the eye crossed out as theirs, obviously to represent Rey's spooky eye capture before stealing a body but maybe the heart could be something similar? That's a really neat idea! Much prefer it over the love-lost implications. I am wondering which couple the two in black on the court side staring at the stars could be - Parley/Smit? Gamma/Zimmy? The Donlans?
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Post by Toloc on Mar 11, 2013 10:13:53 GMT
floating above what could be the graphical representation of Annie's heartbeat. that'd be really unhealthy
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Post by vollie on Mar 11, 2013 10:22:09 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if the couple on the Court side represented both Gamma/Zimmy and Andrew/Parley- Tom can be abstract with these, after all. But my bet's on Andrew/Parley if it's just one couple, as they're standing on the Court side and they were just declared Court medium and protector. Treasties are supposed to allude to the future as well- there's no way their new roles aren't important.
I think that arm and hand is Kat's, yeah- just drawn a little weirdly by Tom. Skin tone and sleeve matches with hers. I'm thinking Tony if it's not Kat, but he's probably the satellite. No clue whether the eye is his or Jones', though. We have no hints they're working together or something like that, so why would they be one symbol...?
Also: any idea what the wheel within a wheel could be representing? I'm sure the gears in a cloudy area are alluding to Kat's angelic status among the robots, but I've got no idea about that.
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Post by eightyfour on Mar 11, 2013 10:28:17 GMT
That's a wheel within a wheel, straight out of Ezekiel, in the upper left corner. Though I don't know the meaning of the repeated symbol on the outside. When you look circuit symbols the arrows usually mean light. A rectangle is most of the times an resistor. If I had to guess it means it's a solar resistor, more light means more resistance... You are correct. That is the symbol for a Photoresistor. However they usually go the other way around: more light means less resistance. edit: P.S.: Annie has twigs in her hair.
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Post by ebaaus on Mar 11, 2013 11:00:35 GMT
Theres an empty space on my wall where this treatise should be .
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Post by Toloc on Mar 11, 2013 11:03:04 GMT
Also: any idea what the wheel within a wheel could be representing? I'm sure the gears in a cloudy area are alluding to Kat's angelic status among the robots, but I've got no idea about that. The wheel within a wheel is an Ophanim, an upper rank of angels that carry the throne of god. They're possibly just an allusion to the original engraving. Now that I look at the engraving, the same could be said about the "graph" under the satellite.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 11:09:28 GMT
The wheel within a wheel is an Ophanim, WELL THEN
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Post by Trism on Mar 11, 2013 11:10:05 GMT
Notice where the bone hand touches Annie's hair, it's turned brown? I still think these represent her father, and he is trying to remove her fire spirit. Would Annie be a brunette without her powers?
Edited for dreadful spelling.
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Post by Hazel on Mar 11, 2013 11:25:13 GMT
Notice where the bone hand touches Annie's hair, it's turned brown? I still think these represent her father, and he is trying to remove her fire spirit. Would Annie be a brunette without her powers? I'm reasonably sure it's just a tinted light from the forest; it's the same further up her hair on that side where no bones are involved, and there's similar lighting on her face.
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Post by alexh on Mar 11, 2013 11:34:26 GMT
Looks like an island.
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Post by znntqkumxh on Mar 11, 2013 11:48:06 GMT
I'm thinking tick-tocks or robot-angel-Kat.
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Post by Lightice on Mar 11, 2013 11:48:38 GMT
So, anyone have any theory for what the four stars on the upper left corner symbolise? Are they just an extension of the night-theme on the Court's side, or something more? Also, does Annie have her blinker stone on that choker? And finally, the feather, the only splash of bright colour on the Court's side; a glimpse at Kat's grow-a-robot-project?
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Post by hnau on Mar 11, 2013 11:50:39 GMT
If the eye is Microsat 5, why is it not on the same sphere as the stars? Also: Coyote is partly outside, too. I'd say, that makes it even more likely it's Microsat 5, as satelites are quite close to the earth, they are still in earth's orbit, while the moon, the sun and the stars are further away (and therefore should be on seperate spheres). According to the wisdom of Wikipedia, all stars and planets are on the celestial spheres, and Microsat 5 should be there, too. But the eye is depicted on the Empyrean, which is occupied by aether.
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Post by mcmxciv on Mar 11, 2013 11:57:51 GMT
The pupil of the microsat eye looks like a satellite leaving a trail while orbiting the earth.
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Post by Toloc on Mar 11, 2013 12:01:17 GMT
BTW, did we ever have this much eye focus: the peacock feather, the glass eyed man + robot(?), the satellite depicted literally as an eye in the sky, Jones' wandering eye symbol in the center, the Ophanim which is basically made of eyes
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 12:08:23 GMT
It's a metaphor for us obsessive forumites scrutinizing every little detail.
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Post by hnau on Mar 11, 2013 12:16:47 GMT
Even Annie and Kat have eyes! ;-)
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Post by Sivo on Mar 11, 2013 12:45:19 GMT
That's the derpiest coyote ever.
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Post by yarksie on Mar 11, 2013 13:07:10 GMT
Coyote looks a bit menacing here, probably because we now see he is messing with Y's memories, this page makes me think a lot is about to go down.
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Post by heranje on Mar 11, 2013 14:21:29 GMT
The perspective is off, but I'm pretty sure it's Kat's hand, since the skintone is the same as hers.
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