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Post by noone3 on Nov 11, 2012 10:36:09 GMT
I suppose that would mean that we skipped the flashback scenes where she started World War 1 and World War 2 in an effort to speed up the rate of technological advance. ;D...heh heh hehe. Just joking. I think. Keep going... Jones as a villain? YES. Which turns my mind to a different problem: When does Gunnerkriggverse splits from ours? We've got many paleontological, and historical references pointing directly to some events in human history, from Stone Age, trough Middle Ages, some Georgian/Victorian Era, and the last common space-time seems to be a Filling Factory, possibly in UK, during one of the World Wars (it could be the factory was bombed, which points to the WWII, but it could be also some accident, which happened from time to time, so we can't be sure). Tom says it's "several decades ago" from current events. After that the Court is mentioned for the first time, and we have one of our present character introduced, and mentioned it was "decades ago". What puzzles me somehow is Jones' attire, which I would place somewhere in the 30's fashion. The next thing is Eglamore's unfortunate romance and "here there be dragons", which is a direct clue we're not in Kansas anymore. At the same time we've got Court with it's mysterious history, and quite livid mythology, and also advanced techno-magic science. And with it's forested counterpart. It's roots seems to stretch hundreds of years, if not thousands or more, but it seems it's influence on the rest of history is either nonexistent/very low, or omitted on purpose during Jones' flashbacks. I can only guess the world in Tom's head changes as the story progresses, and I wonder where will it lead us from here.
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Post by stephen on Nov 11, 2012 11:25:13 GMT
Man, Jones certainly fits my definition of "alive". There is clearly a psychologically continuous "mind" determining her actions that can effect and be effected by the rest of existence, one that is distinct from the minds of all the other characters, and is as complex as that of other living beings.
I would guess that she's "alive" by the standards of some other characters, too -- in fact Annie might contest the claim, we'll see. But I suppose what's important here is whatever criteria for "being alive" Jones considers herself not to meet. If we learn that, we'll at least learn something new about her, or something about how she thinks.
EDIT: Hmm. In retrospect, I was talking about conscious life in that first paragraph, not life. Plants are alive but not conscious, I suppose Jones could be conscious but not "alive" in some biological sense. That's rather more boring, but easier to justify, and probably just as relevant to her "I can't be immortal if I'm not alive" sentiment.
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Post by Khârn on Nov 11, 2012 18:05:48 GMT
I suggested Paz or Kat, as Annie has shown herself to be IMPULSIVE AND EASILY ANGERED. Gamma, already has her hands quite full with whatever ZIMMY IS. And Parley seems to have discovered what HORMONES ARE GOOD FOR. Kat and Paz both seemed balanced, but Kat might be a bad choice as she IS DECIDEDLY ON THE TECHNOLOGY SIDE OF THE NATURE/TECHNOLOGY SPECTRUM. Paz seems like the best choice.
OF COURSE THE COURT MIGHT WANT A MEDIUM WHO IS TOUCHY, it might liven up their lives if they chose Annie.
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Post by Mitth'raw'nuruodo on Nov 11, 2012 23:30:48 GMT
I suggested Paz or Kat, as Annie has shown herself to be IMPULSIVE AND EASILY ANGERED. Gamma, already has her hands quite full with whatever ZIMMY IS. And Parley seems to have discovered what HORMONES ARE GOOD FOR. Kat and Paz both seemed balanced, but Kat might be a bad choice as she IS DECIDEDLY ON THE TECHNOLOGY SIDE OF THE NATURE/TECHNOLOGY SPECTRUM. Paz seems like the best choice. If we are to go off of choices taken from the Medium Classes, we are left with only two choices. Annie and Parley, as they are the two females in the specific training group. I do not think that they would choose someone from outside that grouping, as that would negate any of the training that the Court put time and effort into. Also, Jones is in charge of the Mediums' training, and so why would they ask for her opinion about students that she is not in contact with. Granted, there could be other Medium training courses we are not aware of, but at that point there is no point to logical guesses. OF COURSE THE COURT MIGHT WANT A MEDIUM WHO IS TOUCHY, it might liven up their lives if they chose Annie. I have argued before that you do not want your diplomats "liven[ing] up their lives". That causes diplomatic breakdowns, and Coyote is both ruthless and cruel, and I for one would not want to anger him/it.
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Post by bluevitriol on Nov 12, 2012 5:50:55 GMT
I think Jones may be a survivor from before the "Big Bang" and is not actually alive in our multiverse since her thread exists in a different reality. That being said.... An attempt to provoke a reaction defines any form of interaction with an animated being and/or object so calling this "trolling" pretty much makes "trolling" meaningless and you will stop using boldface and allcaps this instant or else The Blingee comment is an obvious troll, and funny. I think YOU need to go read the rules of this forum as you are NOT being nice, and are even threatening in your manner.
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Post by noone3 on Nov 12, 2012 6:56:24 GMT
I think Jones may be a survivor from before the "Big Bang" and is not actually alive in our multiverse since her thread exists in a different reality. That being said.... So, basically what you are saying is that Jones is a boson?
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Post by alexh on Nov 12, 2012 7:39:57 GMT
I think Jones may be a survivor from before the "Big Bang" and is not actually alive in our multiverse since her thread exists in a different reality. That being said.... Oscillating Universe Theory! en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_modelIn order for this to work with Jones being immortal and "forgetting" everything each iteration of the Universe, the Earth would have to be created the moment the Universe started, otherwise she'd have an even longer memory of just the time before the Earth was created. So I doubt it. But cool idea, nonetheless!
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Post by Angry Robot on Nov 12, 2012 10:14:46 GMT
So, basically what you are saying is that Jones is a boson? A boson... that hunted bison?
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Post by konaya on Nov 12, 2012 13:36:11 GMT
These two things are great examples of Coyote's theory that things are made by life's perceptions. A Precambrian life thinks it see's another eye in the rock, and so the rock begins to see. A Iceage sapience see's a rock perhaps shaped like a woman on the moving (retreating) stone, feels it watching him, he knows it walks, and so like anyone else it(she) walks off the mountain for better climes. "It causes him [not to] see a stone when it is just a stone" indeed. EDIT: On another note, in these two pages, doesn't Ysengrin look a lot bit like the kaonashi (in its rage mode, obviously) of Spirited Away? It's notable because the kaonashi, or faceless/no-face, also has a streak of adapting-to-perceptions-and-emotions-of-others, albeit in a different way (le nom). Not sure if I'm seeing things which are not there, but...
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Post by atteSmythe on Nov 12, 2012 14:04:38 GMT
I've been thinking about Paz as medium for some time now. I think she'd be a good choice. My second choice was Smitty, but then Jones had to ruin it by saying "she"
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Post by alexh on Nov 12, 2012 16:20:19 GMT
EDIT: On another note, in these two pages, doesn't Ysengrin look a lot bit like the kaonashi (in its rage mode, obviously) of Spirited Away? It's notable because the kaonashi, or faceless/no-face, also has a streak of adapting-to-perceptions-and-emotions-of-others, albeit in a different way (le nom). Not sure if I'm seeing things which are not there, but... That was the first thing I'd thought of when I saw that. I think Tom's style of characters would lend well to Miyazaki's style of animation, in fact. Imagine Ysengrin's branches, shaking and rippling out all crazy-like and you've got a scene. I've been thinking about Paz as medium for some time now. I think she'd be a good choice. My second choice was Smitty, but then Jones had to ruin it by saying "she" Ah, I do like the idea of Paz as medium, but she really doesn't have much of an advantage over any of the other ethereally connected people at the court. At all. She can talk to animals? So what, so can anyone, as long as the animal is magical, like Renard or whomever. The magical animals don't seem to care too much about the non-magic animals anyway. Ysengrin himself called them "mere animals." And if they DID care about all the normal animals, well, Paz helps kill mice for testing. (she makes their short stay nice, yeah, but still)
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Post by atteSmythe on Nov 12, 2012 17:59:43 GMT
It's not her ability, it's her neutrality, and willingness to work with an entity that she disagrees with in the hopes of making it better.
From what we've seen so far, what benefit does etheric sensitivity have? The only use we've seen for it so far is putting up the request to talk - and as we've seen, anyone can do that in the stead of a medium.
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Post by smjjames on Nov 12, 2012 20:36:48 GMT
These two things are great examples of Coyote's theory that things are made by life's perceptions. A Precambrian life thinks it see's another eye in the rock, and so the rock begins to see. A Iceage sapience see's a rock perhaps shaped like a woman on the moving (retreating) stone, feels it watching him, he knows it walks, and so like anyone else it(she) walks off the mountain for better climes. "It causes him [not to] see a stone when it is just a stone" indeed. EDIT: On another note, in these two pages, doesn't Ysengrin look a lot bit like the kaonashi (in its rage mode, obviously) of Spirited Away? It's notable because the kaonashi, or faceless/no-face, also has a streak of adapting-to-perceptions-and-emotions-of-others, albeit in a different way (le nom). Not sure if I'm seeing things which are not there, but... Or UFOs when they arent. Coyote would probably laugh hilariously at that stuff.
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Post by GK Sierra on Nov 12, 2012 21:40:03 GMT
So, basically what you are saying is that Jones is a boson? A boson... that hunted bison? *badum-ksh* Aaaaaand, that's all folks! I'll be here all weekend, tell your friends and tip the waiters!
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Post by alexh on Nov 12, 2012 22:04:00 GMT
It's not her ability, it's her neutrality, and willingness to work with an entity that she disagrees with in the hopes of making it better. That is a very good point and I withdraw my position.
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Post by Doomrider on Nov 13, 2012 4:35:33 GMT
I just wonder if there is any special significance to that particular stone.
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Post by warrl on Nov 14, 2012 15:52:08 GMT
I like this. I really like this. The idea that at some point in the last few hundred years Jones conceived a desire to go to the stars, and that since then she has been manipulating events to that end. I suppose that would mean that we skipped the flashback scenes where she started World War 1 and World War 2 in an effort to speed up the rate of technological advance. ;D...heh heh hehe. Just joking. I think. Perhaps that one body in Hitler's bunker wasn't really " Eva Braun"...
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