psykeout
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Post by psykeout on Nov 9, 2012 8:31:23 GMT
Coyote probably knows what she is. -- Annie still needs to "ask about the stars in the night sky!" I basically only logged on to say this but someone already pointed it out so I'll just quote it and say "well done" Annie still has questions for Jones, I'm sure. Just because she doesn't know what she is doesn't mean she doesn't have a earth's lifetime of experience that will be relevant to Annie's concerns
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Post by noone3 on Nov 9, 2012 8:33:37 GMT
But why does she take other people's names? And why did Coyote say she steals them? He must know what she is. Well... why should he? He's way younger than her. He just calls her what he sees her to be - a nameless eternal observer. And the names she stole? Well, seeing things as they are, she looted them, from perishable humans who no longer need it. Waste not, want not.
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Rymdljus
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Post by Rymdljus on Nov 9, 2012 8:33:56 GMT
What I'm curious about is how she knows with such certainty she's not alive. I mean, how does something that is not alive know that it's not alive?
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mcmuffinking
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Post by mcmuffinking on Nov 9, 2012 8:36:44 GMT
She noticed that she doesn't breath, eat, sleep, grow old or take dumps like living creatures do is my guess.
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Post by emanon on Nov 9, 2012 8:44:17 GMT
You magnificent bastard. But I can't say I didn't see it coming, as a matter of fact, I bet on it.
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Post by alexh on Nov 9, 2012 8:47:10 GMT
She...does not know? Fine. Back to square one. She was created by Kat as a human-like golem and sent back to the past along with those birds whose thousand-eyes are somehow related to the stars in the sky.
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Post by Rex on Nov 9, 2012 8:49:23 GMT
Wow, of all the possibilities it seems we completely overlooked one of the simplest.
Also, Jones with the SWAG down there.
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Post by noone3 on Nov 9, 2012 9:10:45 GMT
Annie looks so sad when Jones says she's not alive. Makes me wonder what would happen if Jones did come "alive". But I guess it's a matter of perception. Why doesn't she consider herself alive? Maybe she's just using a scientific definition used by human: Being alive means fulfilling many functions (or most of them): [by Wikipedia] Homeostasis: Well, I'm still not sure whether Jones is truly an ectotherm, she would be then at "room temperature" most of the times (like, when not surrounded by molten lava). Organization: We know nothing about her internal organs so far, it seems she could be equally ignorant. Metabolism: Yup. The greatest mystery of them all. Does Jones subscribes to the Eat-n-poop club, like most of us? Growth:It seems even her hair doesn't bother to do it. Unless of course we consider the pictures an actual depiction of events, and not just Annie's mental picture. Adaptation:That's where she seems to be quite successful. As for human interaction at least. Response to stimuli: She seems to choose the stimuli she like to respond to quite freely, like spears, fire and explosions are really not worth it. Reproduction: ?!?
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Post by gank3r on Nov 9, 2012 9:13:21 GMT
Logged in for the first time in ages just to say that blingee gif is incredible.
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Post by hnau on Nov 9, 2012 9:16:33 GMT
Is Mort alive? Or Jeanne? Are robots alive?
The definition of "alive" might be that a being is material as well as ethereal. Mort and Jeanne are purely ethereal, so they are not "alive". Robots and Jones are purely material, so they are not "alive", either.
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Post by Xan on Nov 9, 2012 9:19:07 GMT
Well, turns out I was right with the "I don't know" prediction. Not sure if I like it though. Edit: Whoever guessed that she would not know what she is gets 10,000 cookies. Seriously. Mmmm, cookies.
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Post by seaofalchemy on Nov 9, 2012 9:20:44 GMT
Annie: "Ysengrin told me you were immortal, but I had no idea..."
Wait. Did we actually see Ysengrin say this or something like this? (I'm so forgetful.) If so, does anyone know the page? Unless we're supposed to believe what Annie said and assume that Ysengrin said this without us actually witnessing him saying it.
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Post by lemarc on Nov 9, 2012 9:21:43 GMT
Jones apparently just... is. I fail to see how this proves Coyote's story in any way, shape, or form. It doesn't prove anything, but it clarifies it in a way. Coyote claimed Jones was "the perfect example of what [he] was talking about", right after telling his story about the "disease" of human intellect. If we assume Coyote is telling the truth, then I think it's also safe to assume that Jones was retroactively given form by human imagination.
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Post by gary on Nov 9, 2012 9:31:04 GMT
Annie: "Ysengrin told me you were immortal, but I had no idea..."Wait. Did we actually see Ysengrin say this or something like this? (I'm so forgetful.) If so, does anyone know the page? Unless we're supposed to believe what Annie said and assume that Ysengrin said this without us actually witnessing him saying it. It'sa reference to the conversaion mentioned in this page www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=851.
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psykeout
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Post by psykeout on Nov 9, 2012 9:37:18 GMT
Alright I'm voting that she's SOMETHING sort of in parallel to "mother earth," and will probably draw some influence from the common 'mother earth' myths and imagery. This may be me having my mind in the gutter, but seeing as she bypasses many life functions, and since she is a unique entity, I wonder i she's technically genderless. Does she have genitalia? And even if she does, could she have children? Has she had children? Has she ever even made love? For that matter, I wonder if she has any internal organs at all. Maybe she's just solid rock all the way through. No cavities, no fluids, just solid matter with sections that bend like joints. The Anatomy of a Jones. hmmm. Annie: "Ysengrin told me you were immortal, but I had no idea..."Wait. Did we actually see Ysengrin say this or something like this? (I'm so forgetful.) If so, does anyone know the page? Unless we're supposed to believe what Annie said and assume that Ysengrin said this without us actually witnessing him saying it. No. Ysengrin and her had a talk about Jones but it was all off screen. It was during the summer she spent in the forest I believe.
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Post by seaofalchemy on Nov 9, 2012 9:48:29 GMT
Annie: "Ysengrin told me you were immortal, but I had no idea..."Wait. Did we actually see Ysengrin say this or something like this? (I'm so forgetful.) If so, does anyone know the page? Unless we're supposed to believe what Annie said and assume that Ysengrin said this without us actually witnessing him saying it. No. Ysengrin and her had a talk about Jones but it was all off screen. It was during the summer she spent in the forest I believe. Ah, I figured. Thank you for clarifying.
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Post by legion on Nov 9, 2012 9:48:30 GMT
Dudes stop calling Tom a troll; defying the expectation of the readers has nothing to do with trolling (viz: saying random, nonsensical and/or offensive shit for the sole purpose of making someone angry).
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gary
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Post by gary on Nov 9, 2012 9:54:22 GMT
But why does she take other people's names? And why did Coyote say she steals them? He must know what she is. The names thing seems to be just a mixture of convienence and sentimentality. And Renard seems to think Coyote doesn't. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=593
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Post by mizea on Nov 9, 2012 10:01:20 GMT
AHAHAHA, oh that Comment! Mystery solved indeed. x'D He might as well throw a pie into our faces now too. (hmm, pie)
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Post by GK Sierra on Nov 9, 2012 10:19:10 GMT
Is Mort alive? Or Jeanne? Are robots alive? The definition of "alive" might be that a being is material as well as ethereal. Mort and Jeanne are purely ethereal, so they are not "alive". Robots and Jones are purely material, so they are not "alive", either. We're all biological machines. We just have a well-developed head's up display that we call consciousness to help direct our complex bodies. Sometimes this HUD ponders the universe and invents weird abstract concepts like irony.
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Post by Alexandragon on Nov 9, 2012 10:27:55 GMT
This page's comment beats every other page's comment in a way that might never be beaten again. Yeah! This week's comment was SOOOO gangsta awesome!P.S.: So J' is unliving... heh Sometimes this HUD ponders the universe and invents weird abstract concepts like irony. You are damn right!
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Post by SpitefulFox on Nov 9, 2012 10:30:02 GMT
It doesn't prove anything, but it clarifies it in a way. Coyote claimed Jones was "the perfect example of what [he] was talking about", right after telling his story about the "disease" of human intellect. If we assume Coyote is telling the truth, then I think it's also safe to assume that Jones was retroactively given form by human imagination. Key word there: Assume "She proves coyote's story because he said she proves coyote's story" is circular logic. We still have zero reason to believe that she's a product of human imagination other than the word of a being that is fallible and considerably younger than Jones.
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Post by La Goon on Nov 9, 2012 10:44:30 GMT
So, it seems like either Jones and the Earth was formed in the same process, or that Earth formed around Jones. In either case they are pretty closely related. I don't really have any logical reasoning for the following, but I get the feeling that Jones is some sort of counterpart to Earth - that they have a bunch of similarities but also some points where they are direct opposites, and that this opposition is a central part of Jones' existence. Just a random thought
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Post by philman on Nov 9, 2012 11:07:36 GMT
So she has no memories before that time, and she does not know what she is. The previous chapter we saw coyote eat memories after saying she is the perfect example of what he was talking about, coincidence?
EDIT: additional thought: We never saw Jones and Coyote meet during the flashback, perhaps we will see that meeting in a future chapter, with coyote removing/modifying memories. I reckon Coyote has to have something to do with Jones' creation, or at the least something to do with her current-day situation.
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Post by JCBeastie on Nov 9, 2012 11:07:53 GMT
Jones is God. Clearly.
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Post by hurston on Nov 9, 2012 11:41:57 GMT
What an awesome page and update. For those of you who don't read latin, 'Te amo' on the bling-gif means 'I love you'
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 9, 2012 13:20:05 GMT
So she has no memories before that time, and she does not know what she is. The previous chapter we saw coyote eat memories after saying she is the perfect example of what he was talking about, coincidence? EDIT: additional thought: We never saw Jones and Coyote meet during the flashback, perhaps we will see that meeting in a future chapter, with coyote removing/modifying memories. I reckon Coyote has to have something to do with Jones' creation, or at the least something to do with her current-day situation. Maybe not coincidence but maybe not Coyote eating Jones' memories. People paid a lot of attention to the "I can take her if I wish" bit on this page but the rest of the page suggests that Jones and Coyote were contending over someone else at one point, perhaps someone Coyote was making demands of. For myself, I've been wondering if the actual reason that Coyote cried when Surma tricked Renard is that she poached on his private preserve.
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Post by stephen on Nov 9, 2012 13:20:56 GMT
From last thread: Man honestly, for me it would be enough if this (what we've seen) is Jones's origin story. She emerged as-is from the magma of our forming planet. Done. Most mythical supernatural beings don't have any more of a specific origin than this. And... yup! She emerged as-is from the magma of our forming planet. She doesn't remember before that any more than we remember before our birth. She doesn't know "what she is" any more than we would if we never met another being like us. Jones is A. NEW. THING. of Tom's invention, not "an alien" or "a time traveling golem" or "gaia". We can learn more ABOUT her, but we can never learn "what she is" if you'll only be satisfied with a word that connects her to some pre-existing mythology.
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Post by bansheekitty on Nov 9, 2012 13:27:13 GMT
So, it seems like either Jones and the Earth was formed in the same process, or that Earth formed around Jones. In either case they are pretty closely related. I've been wondering for a little while now whether she could be an avatar of the Earth.
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Post by alexei on Nov 9, 2012 13:42:38 GMT
Perhaps she an anthropomorphic personification of Terra or her existence, with the complete birth of the planet and her own coinciding. Perhaps this isn't the first time that she has existed in this form, 'wandering' may perhaps imply cosmogyration, perhaps every planet that fits a certain criterion, e.g.: supporting life at some point in its lifetime as perhaps Coyote's link to the collective consciousness of humanity and his knowledge of her nature, at least up until a point are related, she may also be a similar product or he may, as an aether-field perturbatory being, transcend time in some way. Mayhap her not being dormant in the desert despite the absence of adjacent humanity is significant. 'Eye' almost certainly implies that she relays information, perhaps not entirely visual, to some intelligence or meta-intelligence; though I have some theories as to the identity of the aforementioned, their only foundation is my own creative reasoning as I have not scrutinized every page for clues.
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