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Post by rainofsteel on Sept 2, 2011 23:17:48 GMT
Harumph!
Now I have to wait for Monday.
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Post by Tierra Y Libertad on Sept 3, 2011 0:38:54 GMT
I hope Jack isn't kidding -- it would make things much more interesting, and he's still nutty enough to do it, even though he doesn't have a whitelegs on him anymore.
Besides, this frees our bold heroine from such nonsense, which is what's most important.
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Post by eleutherios on Sept 3, 2011 1:00:25 GMT
You mean... Black-gunk-red-eyed horrendously insane hallucinations-intruding-on-the-real-world Eldritch Abomination Zimmy?
Truly, a match made in purgatory.
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Post by todd on Sept 3, 2011 2:29:56 GMT
Besides, this frees our bold heroine from such nonsense, which is what's most important. Yes, as I've said before, I really think that Annie doesn't need a love interest (of either gender - I've never taken the theory that she and Kat are in love with each other seriously).
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Post by SpitefulFox on Sept 3, 2011 4:31:04 GMT
Also: Heheheheheh. I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw that in the frame.
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Post by bodevanlot on Sept 3, 2011 5:47:06 GMT
Bahahaha. This is my favorite strip in some time. I've laughed my head off this whole chapter, but this tops it all, good show. We will never see that face in panel five ever again. If anyone's interested: I had this same image cropped out before coming here, amazing expression.
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Post by legion on Sept 3, 2011 6:29:28 GMT
I wonder why so many people think Jack can't possibly be serious, because I for one could be in love with Zimmy if she was real.
tilt!
It just occured to me: Zimmy provokes vivid hallucinations that become real, and Jack has been the most exposed to them. What if his love for Zimmy was akin to drug addiction?
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Post by Ashley Y on Sept 3, 2011 9:22:47 GMT
Jack has attractions to both Zimmy and Annie, which, as a teenager, he is still sorting out. Annie likes Jack and is annoyed at being out-manipulated. I don't think Zimmy has any interest in Jack.
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Post by philosopherofsorts on Sept 3, 2011 9:29:31 GMT
^ Its the eyes, when you can see them. The first thing that went through my head when I first saw the comic I posted was "Damn, Zimmy has pretty eyes."
Where does it say that she doesn't bathe? I remember her saying that showers and such don't help with the Birminghell issue, but not that she doesn't take them at all.
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Post by fish on Sept 3, 2011 10:24:53 GMT
This page kind of indicates that she doesn't like to do her laundry very much. Apart from that I don't think there is direct evidence in the comic that Zimmy actually is as dirty as she looks.
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Post by kaname on Sept 3, 2011 11:53:24 GMT
www.formspring.me/gunnerkrigg/q/725851583www.formspring.me/gunnerkrigg/q/679092351Kinda puts a damper on the whole Jack/Zimmy thing, sorry guys. I know you don't like that icky F/F stuff. But sometimes it's there, and guys gotta deal. It's actually something a lot of people can't wrap their head around: A guy interested in someone *does not mean* that other person has to like them back. Even if the guy is sweet, nice, whatever. Nobody has to return affection. Either way: I think he's sincere, and it can lead to a pretty hilarious plot where he eventually gets that Zimmy really isn't into him...causing him to grumble a bit, just to change his affection to Kat. I would love to see Annie's expression if that happened. He could get himself mechanical wings! Come on, him giving Cat mechawings could be pretty romantic, no? Both are inventors, too. It'd fit!
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Post by hargharg on Sept 3, 2011 12:34:39 GMT
www.formspring.me/gunnerkrigg/q/725851583www.formspring.me/gunnerkrigg/q/679092351Kinda puts a damper on the whole Jack/Zimmy thing, sorry guys. I know you don't like that icky F/F stuff. But sometimes it's there, and guys gotta deal. It's actually something a lot of people can't wrap their head around: A guy interested in someone *does not mean* that other person has to like them back. Even if the guy is sweet, nice, whatever. Nobody has to return affection. Either way: I think he's sincere, and it can lead to a pretty hilarious plot where he eventually gets that Zimmy really isn't into him...causing him to grumble a bit, just to change his affection to Kat. I would love to see Annie's expression if that happened. He could get himself mechanical wings! Come on, him giving Cat mechawings could be pretty romantic, no? Both are inventors, too. It'd fit! What if Jack was able to help Zimmy permanently? What would that do to her relationship with Gamma? And would this be enough to give Jack a chance with Zimmy? Let's think about this now. : D
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Post by wombat on Sept 3, 2011 14:57:14 GMT
Uck, I would hate to see Jack actually in a relationship with Zimmy. It would be heartbreaking to me to see Gamma and Zimmy's relationship deteriorate, and it would make me seriously confused about the validity of Tom's non-sarcastic seeming comments on the bottom of pages.
Though I'd rather wait to figure out if Jack is serious or not before starting serious speculation on a Jack/Zimmy/Gamma love triangle.
Also, if Jack can permanently help Zimmy, then I would hope he would do so without expecting or demanding romantic involvement with her in return. Seems like he would if he seriously cares about her.
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Post by hargharg on Sept 3, 2011 16:30:40 GMT
I don't think Jack would demand anything, but the base of Zimmy's relationship with Gamma is mainly her condition, isn't it? If that would go away who knows what would happen? Smaller things caused people to turn away from their old acquaintances. Again, this is just a mindexercise, I don't think Jack will be able to help her in the first place, at least not alone, and their love might be as strong now that its base disappearing wouldn't cause any problem at all.
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Post by descoladavirus on Sept 3, 2011 18:41:31 GMT
Smaller things caused people to turn away from their old acquaintances. But now it goes up again!
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Post by hargharg on Sept 3, 2011 20:06:15 GMT
I'm sorry, but what goes up again?
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Post by goldenknots on Sept 3, 2011 20:46:21 GMT
I'm sorry, but what goes up again? Red Returns... here's the relevant page.
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Post by Afalstein on Sept 3, 2011 21:12:32 GMT
I don't think Jack would demand anything, but the base of Zimmy's relationship with Gamma is mainly her condition, isn't it? If that would go away who knows what would happen? Okay, I'm not really a Zimmy/Gamma fan, but no. Gamma, at least, has no reason to stick around Zimmy apart from what she said here. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=731. And Zimmy has made it abundantly clear how she feels about Gamma. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=464 They don't stick together JUST because of Zimmy's condition. It WOULD be interesting to see what Zimmy's life would be like if her condition went away, but I'm pretty sure Gamma would be a part of it.
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Post by hargharg on Sept 3, 2011 23:12:41 GMT
I'm sorry, but what goes up again? Red Returns... here's the relevant page. Ah, I see. : D Mentioning Red was enough. : ) ... They don't stick together JUST because of Zimmy's condition. It WOULD be interesting to see what Zimmy's life would be like if her condition went away, but I'm pretty sure Gamma would be a part of it. That's why I said "mainly". Or is the word "mostly"? *me speak english not very good*
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Post by Ashley Y on Sept 4, 2011 2:56:46 GMT
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Post by wombat on Sept 4, 2011 4:20:35 GMT
Yeah, but she thought she was Annie, and she thought Jack was Annie's boyfriend (or had the potential to be), so... Really, those few pages just confuse me too much to analyze. Now I'm almost on the hoping Jack's trolling side, because that would be so much less confusing.
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Post by basser on Sept 4, 2011 4:20:52 GMT
That last panel reminded me of something... Ah, yes. I completely approve.
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Post by lordofpotatoes on Sept 4, 2011 10:31:46 GMT
I think he IS serious. Poor Annie... :/
Either way, he's being cruel.
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Post by thatguywhodraws on Sept 4, 2011 12:39:54 GMT
Yeah, but she thought she was Annie, and she thought Jack was Annie's boyfriend (or had the potential to be), so... Really, those few pages just confuse me too much to analyze. Now I'm almost on the hoping Jack's trolling side, because that would be so much less confusing. If I remember correctly during the whole Zimmy as Annie scene didn't she act more like a hybrid of the two, swapping a bit between things Annie would say and things Zimmy would say? It's still ambiguous which one of them was really wanting to go after Jack. (I like to think it was Annie though)
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Post by goldenknots on Sept 4, 2011 13:40:36 GMT
It's still ambiguous which one of them was really wanting to go after Jack. (I like to think it was Annie though) To me, it makes no sense at all without Annie dominating in the confusion. Zimmy knew about the whitelegs and was pretty unconcerned about it, or what it did, I think, but Annie was determined to fix things.
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Post by lordofpotatoes on Sept 4, 2011 16:50:53 GMT
I have a new theory, Jack is still under control of the spider, or at least, SOMETHING have happened to him and that things will be cleared up after some crazy adventure. Makes sense to me, cause if he were to ask out Zimmy he'd be rejected and this JackXZimmy serves no purpose at all. I'm not sure that I expressed myself properly, but, I hope you guys get the idea. Also: www.formspring.me/gunnerkrigg/q/234071578155951334
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Post by Refugee on Sept 4, 2011 19:50:38 GMT
The question was, "Zimmy and Gamma are--in a complicated, twisted, unhealthy, etc. way-- a couple and very much in love,correct?" And Tom, evil cackling genius that he is, replied, "They are a couple, yes." Elsewhere, he's said, "They are a thing." I don't think he's ever straightforwardly answered the straightforward question, "Are they in love with each other?" much less the very direct "Are they sexually attracted to each other?" [Note the "in love" phrasing, which to me implies romance at the least, rather than "do they love each other?"] Zimmy is so unpleasant on the surface, and in her behavior towards everyone else so off-putting, I'd love to know what Gamma sees in her. And by "sees", of course, I mean "telepathically senses". Zimmy loves Gamma, I think, because Gamma can defend Zimmy from the things she experiences through her "gift". But what's in it for Gamma? It's been said, by Jones if I'm not mistaken, that Zimmy pushes people away because she knows they'll be hurt if they get too close. Gamma can apparently defend herself, and so I'm guessing that all the good stuff Zimmy must hide from the world, from everyone else, Gamma gets to see. And it's wonderful. Gamma knows that Zimmy is an angel in chains. [update] Alternative: Gamma directly experiences the very intense love Zimmy has for her, and vice versa. What started as Gamma just being nice to someone in obvious pain, and Zimmy experiencing something other than reflexive fear, disgust, and hate, has escalated into something more: there's a positive feedback loop going on here that drives the emotions of each to the positive rail, regardless of the merits of each.
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Post by lordofpotatoes on Sept 4, 2011 20:29:39 GMT
I did not quite get that analysis... Are you saying they might not be a couple or what? Can you simplify that TL;DR post?
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Post by wombat on Sept 4, 2011 20:30:21 GMT
Well, there is this question and Tom's answer: www.formspring.me/gunnerkrigg/q/750831700So it's not "that simple," but there are at least romantic feelings there. I'm pretty sure they don't have a clearly defined relationship.
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Post by Refugee on Sept 4, 2011 20:36:55 GMT
I did not quite get that analysis... Are you saying they might not be a couple or what? Can you simplify that TL;DR post? Gamma and Zimma are coupled together, but to my knowledge, Tom has carefully avoided saying what their emotions for each other are. Especially, he has not said that they are romantically linked*, or that they have sexual feelings for each other. Nor has he explained why Gamma likes Zimmy. I'm saying that either Zimmy is a much more likeable person than we see, or that the psychic link between them has driven their emotions higher than would normally be the case. === * Oops, yes he has: Ah, I'd missed that one. So there's that, but as Tom says, not that simple.
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