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Post by Max on Feb 2, 2011 8:00:19 GMT
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Post by gildarts on Feb 2, 2011 8:02:37 GMT
that looks soooooooooooooo COOL!,  annies carrying one of those white spiders !? |
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Post by americonedream on Feb 2, 2011 8:04:57 GMT
Ahh, it's so nice to see the treatise without having to squint! Annie isn't wearing her antimony necklace. Or maybe that's the one above the coyote tooth? And it looks like we'll be seeing ol' white legs again!
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Post by edzepp on Feb 2, 2011 8:06:05 GMT
The arrow that Steadman fired into the gorge is also pointed down at the heart.
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Post by hurston on Feb 2, 2011 8:08:28 GMT
That's such an awesome piece of art! I like how the connection between Annie and Kat means that something of the forest comes to the court (the birds) and something of the court comes to the forest (the spider). So much great symbolism to think about here, it will take a while to digest it all.
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Post by guyy on Feb 2, 2011 8:09:11 GMT
Rey seems to have two symbols on his head now (antimony and bismuth)...is that new? (Looking at the avatar two posts up, it seems that it is!  Something to do with Rey being more connected to the Court now?) |
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Post by Max on Feb 2, 2011 8:10:03 GMT
Rey seems to have two symbols on his head now (antimony and bismuth)...is that new? I think it is. Very interesting. |
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Post by americonedream on Feb 2, 2011 8:14:54 GMT
Rey seems to have two symbols on his head now (antimony and bismuth)...is that new? I think it is. Very interesting. Ah! Remember? It was a symbol that appeared when Rey got zapped by Jack's device. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=714 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2011 8:16:10 GMT
"You come here to mock me with this gleaming heart of yours"
Jeanne's heart was run through by the arrow device, but not literally. In a way, she brought death upon herself, by loving the forest man, and giving into grief when he was murdered - so, figuratively, she ran her own sword through her heart. Hmm...
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Kat is holding two pigeons -pigeons = nature, but Kat = technology. In the previous treatise a tiny plant could be seen sprouting up in the court.
"This was to be a place of great power, a place of union... but all we found was a terrible squabble!"
Perhaps the court and the forest are destined to join together again. If Jeanne can be set free, then the Annan waters will be crossable without the use of the court's bridge. Is that what's going to happen at the end of the comic?
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Post by Morpheus on Feb 2, 2011 8:16:42 GMT
I see the green arrow Steadman killed Jeanne's lover with, A bunch of robots staring at Kat, Annie's fiery hair billowing towards the forest - and curling around Kat's arm of course. Annie is holding one of Zimmy's white spiders, while Kat is holding a couple of lovebirds (more romancing for Kat? Or maybe something to do with Paz?). Also, is robot staring longingly at the forest, or just staring out in general? And why does Coyote look like he's hiding? Post sumus: Mister Siddel, your comic keeps astounding me time and time again, both because of the absolutely gorgeus artwork (especially these last few chapters have been amazing) and because of the sheer number of questions it constantly arises, that i simply must have the answers to. Damn you Tom for keeping me awake all nigt  |
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Post by Max on Feb 2, 2011 8:22:14 GMT
It appears whenever Rey is in his wolf form. Jeanne's heart was run through by the arrow device, but not literally. In a way, she brought death upon herself, by loving the forest man, and giving into grief when he was murdered - so, figuratively, she ran her own sword through her heart. Hmm... I took it as being Parley's heart, and a omen that Parley may still be in danger. Also, a comparison to the older treatises, if anyone wants it:     Look at the shift in colors over the various treatises. It starts in warm colors, then shifts to grey, then gets gradually more colorful (and detailed). |
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Post by guyy on Feb 2, 2011 8:24:26 GMT
So that's what it is! Not sure why I jumped to "bismuth"... It pops up again a bit later, linking back to this. Hm... |
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Post by americonedream on Feb 2, 2011 8:25:31 GMT
No, no, the white one ahead of the antimony symbol. Annie's symbol has always appeared on his head before but that one didn't show up until after he got zapped.
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Post by stephen on Feb 2, 2011 8:27:59 GMT
A lot of interesting analysis already in this thread. A few things I'd noticed, some things I hadn't.
One other note: Annie's hair is fire pointing towards the forest. Either the forest brings out the fire-elemental part of her, or the fire-elemental part of her is especially drawn to the forest.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2011 8:28:59 GMT
max: Yeah, I'm seeing it as both their hearts - well, Jeanne's heart as it was and Parley's as it is.
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Post by Max on Feb 2, 2011 8:30:51 GMT
No, no, the white one ahead of the antimony symbol. Annie's symbol has always appeared on his head before but that one didn't show up until after he got zapped. Right the top one is new, but the other one has always been there. I don't think it has to do with him being zapped, since it is at the end of Spring Heeled. ETA: I just noticed that it shows up in the light surrounding Rey when he gets zapped. Is that what you were talking about? |
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Post by jon77 on Feb 2, 2011 8:33:12 GMT
Ysengrin's legs are the branches of the forest.
Ysengrin has some symbols over his head.
Ysengrin's right ear is missing, as it is in the comic.
The forest is in daylight while the court is in shadow.
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Post by mrjeeves on Feb 2, 2011 8:33:17 GMT
Coyote is going to need a fire extinguisher for Annie's hair.
Ysengrin's ethereal ear might be my favorite part of this treatise.
Other things:
Despite her green garment Annie's hair makes her match both the Court and Woods palette.
Both sides (and Jeanne) share green, a sign perhaps of connectivity/similarity despite very obvious differences.
Everyone in the background seems to be staring at the heart.
Jeanne is left handed.
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Post by americonedream on Feb 2, 2011 8:34:37 GMT
Oh, that one for sure that's always been around. Hm, I wonder why it would show up on his head later if being zapped wasn't the reason.  Ohh, there's so much to find out! |
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Post by mrjeeves on Feb 2, 2011 8:40:59 GMT
Also just noticed Annie's matchstick hair in Treatise 3
Along with Coyote's eye on her
I'd say the latter is an allusion to Jones as his "Wandering Eye" but I probably only came to that conclusion because that's what I want it to mean.
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Post by legion on Feb 2, 2011 8:46:13 GMT
Beautiful page.
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Post by americonedream on Feb 2, 2011 8:46:37 GMT
No, no, the white one ahead of the antimony symbol. Annie's symbol has always appeared on his head before but that one didn't show up until after he got zapped. Right the top one is new, but the other one has always been there. I don't think it has to do with him being zapped, since it is at the end of Spring Heeled. ETA: I just noticed that it shows up in the light surrounding Rey when he gets zapped. Is that what you were talking about? Yup, that's what I meant, I probably should've been more clear. xD |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 2, 2011 9:11:01 GMT
At first I wondered why Robot and the robot-faces in the lower left corner do not appear to have counterparts in the Forest side. After mulling it over I am guessing the trees fill that role.
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Post by King Mir on Feb 2, 2011 9:15:06 GMT
Lets make a list:
Moon over the court, Sun over the forest both have a vertical line through the center
Night over the court, day over the forest.
Bismuth symbol in between antimony and sol/gold, linked by a ring
The set of symbols have wings
Rey, who caries both the antimony symbol and his own.
Yesengrin, who's missing ear has etheric lines, and is growing from the treas.
Robot in hoodie
Jeane clutching sword
green arrow pointing down
Kat and Annie with their respective signs next to them
Annie looking toward the forest
Kat looking toward the court
The court is crumbling stone on top of mainframes
the forest is trees
Robots staring at Kat
Annie has the coyote tooth
Kat has her apron and tools
Annie has a summer dress
Kat holds pigeons
Annie holds Zimmy's spider.
Coyote is a rather minor actor symmetrical to the robots
Annie is tied by vines to the forest, particularly at her wrist and arm
Kat's arm is tangled in Annie's hair
symmetrical to the vines is a gear on the court side
Gleaming heart in the middle, with Jeanie's sword stabbing it.
heart is on a round background with rays.
There are red rays coming from behind the circle
Annie's hair turns to fire on the forest side
Did I miss anything?
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Post by Alexandragon on Feb 2, 2011 9:43:31 GMT
Amazing! Gorgeous!
Also: Robot(S13) staring at Kat.
P.S.: interesting, two symbols on Rey's head means his attachment to Annie?
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Post by King Mir on Feb 2, 2011 9:48:24 GMT
Amazing! Gorgeous! Also: Robot(S13) staring at Kat. P.S.: interesting, two antimony symbols on Rey's head means his attachment to Annie? The top one isn't Antimony's: it's his own, first seen in the chapter Reynardine. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2011 9:49:51 GMT
Maybe this is symbolic of his promise not to interfere with the court. Ysengrin, who is drawn rather larger, made no such promise, and was not pleased that Coyote had let Renard be tricked and captured.
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Post by Alexandragon on Feb 2, 2011 9:54:17 GMT
Amazing! Gorgeous! Also: Robot(S13) staring at Kat. P.S.: interesting, two antimony symbols on Rey's head means his attachment to Annie? The top one isn't Antimony's: it's his own, first seen in the chapter Reynardine. Hm, Thanks, now I see this) |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 2, 2011 9:55:25 GMT
Hmm... There's also the shadow of the Court on Renard that's a parallel to Ysengrin turning into trees. I might contrast the gear against the vine/darkness for the list's sake (growth/death process vs. mechanical energy redirected to benefit man) though I can understand if people would argue against that. Also I mentally put Coyote against the mainframe whatzit. Not sure if that helps or no. |
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Feb 2, 2011 10:24:09 GMT
That symbol at the top in the sky looks a lot like the sky symbol used to arrange meetings between forest and court.
edit: coyote tooth already mentioned. sorry.
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annies carrying one of those white spiders !?
Something to do with Rey being more connected to the Court now?)
Ohh, there's so much to find out!
