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Post by jayne on Jan 6, 2011 17:00:29 GMT
The other robots were just the audience. They didn't even need a chip to perform their function... to applaud the end of the 'battle'
They were probably the prototypes for the other court robots and were put into storage (to protect the prototype) Since they were there doing nothing, Diego incorporated them into the act.
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Post by jayne on Jan 6, 2011 17:04:45 GMT
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Post by noblemanofreason on Jan 6, 2011 17:35:27 GMT
I don't know, some of that does sounds like Annie, while other parts don't. I figure that the parts that don't quite fit Annie's personality have been 'toned' down by her father's influence, as Coyote guessed in the page. If you look in the flashback pages with the younger Annie, she seems to fit the 'wild child' aspect of being a fire genasi.
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Post by myzelf on Jan 6, 2011 18:15:14 GMT
Quick Everyone speculate about what kind of elemental Jones is Well, if she were an elemental, she'd be an earth. The weight, the strength... Wait, could Jones be a golem?
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Post by red0mamma on Jan 6, 2011 20:01:58 GMT
Quick Everyone speculate about what kind of elemental Jones is Well, if she were an elemental, she'd be an earth. The weight, the strength... Wait, could Jones be a golem? Others have mentioned it and I think it's a possibility. I have a really crazy theory she could be Anthony (or part of him). They share similar eyes and facial expressions (those few we've seen on Anthony), and they are both unhumanly calm. Coyote also mentioned she steals names...Perhaps she changes form too. In one of the stories (when Anthony and Surma were kids) we didn't see her while Anthony was there, and given the way she nods at Coyote when he brings up Annie's calmness could be from her father was interesting. If she's not Anthony, maybe she's related to him (a twin?) because of their shared characteristics.
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Post by hal9000 on Jan 6, 2011 20:08:14 GMT
Since Kat knows about Jeanne, I imagine this would be a fairly transparent ruse. Unless they followed it up by advising Anja and Donald to send Kat away to another school on the grounds that "being here in the school where her best friend died would be too traumatic for her". (They'd also lose one of the most skilled future scientists/technologists, but they might consider it a necessary sacrifice.) Ah, but she, Annie, Parley and Smitty are the only ones who know about Jeanne, and if they found the circumstances around Annie's death similarly suspicious, I like to think they'd have the presence of mind to keep it to themselves. Think what a conspiracy with a teleporter, a genius polymath with a focus on engineering, and a walking luck generator could accomplish. I mean, Kat, on her own, could probably create a personal robot army and a suit of powered-armor; with the other two there are almost boundless possibilities for mischief. Hell, they could probably even bring in Jack, and then they'll have a computer hacker and 'traceur' of some considerable talent to boot. Magical powers are for pikers; these guys could destroy the world if they put their minds to it.
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Post by kalechibki on Jan 6, 2011 21:53:12 GMT
Doh! That's what I get for posting while nervously thinking about the exam I was giving my geometry students in less than an hours time. I meant Anja, I thought Anja, as I was thinking "Kat's Mom" over and over...and somehow placed Surma's name in her place at that moment in time...time to go edit my last post And yes, I think Surma understood as much as Annie understood Robot.
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Post by jayne on Jan 6, 2011 23:46:52 GMT
I always blank on Donald's name. He's just a nice, quiet, really smart guy. You can see how he'd get along with Anthony, the anti-drama guy.
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Post by mojojojo on Jan 7, 2011 0:16:23 GMT
It was also quite specifically stated and is a fact that Diego built that shrine. I'm too lazy to actually check through all the comics, but is this actually stated anywhere? I agree Diego is an obvious suspect, building it out of guilt. I almost put in my post that Diego was the obvious suspect, but cut it out in attempt to keep things concise. I know I didn't quote every source, but if you're going to throw your weight around, where did someone "specifically state" that diego built it? I don't expect a response from someone on an anonymous account.
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Post by jayne on Jan 7, 2011 1:18:01 GMT
No, saying "It was also quite specifically stated and is a fact that Diego built that shrine" is inaccurate. It was never specifically stated and even if it was, it can't be taken as a fact.
I do believe Diego build the shrine but I couldn't swear to it in court because its just my opinion.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jan 7, 2011 2:31:50 GMT
On the off-chance that you're still reading. The Court is the very reason why Jeanne is stuck down there. They killed her/her lover. They also attempted to erase all evidence of Jeanne's existence. So there's no reason to believe that anyone at the Court is aware of what their predecessors did to Jeanne, and little reason to believe that anyone at the Court would approve if they were aware.
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Post by hal9000 on Jan 7, 2011 3:57:45 GMT
On the off-chance that you're still reading. The Court is the very reason why Jeanne is stuck down there. They killed her/her lover. They also attempted to erase all evidence of Jeanne's existence. So there's no reason to believe that anyone at the Court is aware of what their predecessors did to Jeanne, and little reason to believe that anyone at the Court would approve if they were aware. Well, they're still all about using dirty tricks to further their interests, since they had no qualms about imprisoning and torturing Rey for years because there was a chance of him getting powers from Coyote. Given that they still have that level of paranoia about Coyote and the forest, I don't think they'd want to disable a valuable defensive system, even if the consequence is that Jeanne's ghost has to suffer down there indefinitely. It seems likely to me that the major decision-makers at the court would see it as a necessary evil. Extending from that, they'd probably also take steps to prevent the Parley/Smitty/Annie/Kat team from freeing her, too, if they knew about their intentions.
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Post by jayne on Jan 7, 2011 4:07:30 GMT
On the off-chance that you're still reading. They also attempted to erase all evidence of Jeanne's existence. So there's no reason to believe that anyone at the Court is aware of what their predecessors did to Jeanne, and little reason to believe that anyone at the Court would approve if they were aware. Well, they're still all about using dirty tricks to further their interests, since they had no qualms about imprisoning and torturing Rey for years because there was a chance of him getting powers from Coyote. Given that they still have that level of paranoia about Coyote and the forest, I don't think they'd want to disable a valuable defensive system, even if the consequence is that Jeanne's ghost has to suffer down there indefinitely. It seems likely to me that the major decision-makers at the court would see it as a necessary evil. Extending from that, they'd probably also take steps to prevent the Parley/Smitty/Annie/Kat team from freeing her, too, if they knew about their intentions. Surma tried to lure Rey but they actually imprisoned Rey because he murdered that boy. I'm not sure he was tortured as much as bound extensively because he was inhabiting the body of a very powerful being.
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Post by hal9000 on Jan 7, 2011 4:12:57 GMT
Well, they're still all about using dirty tricks to further their interests, since they had no qualms about imprisoning and torturing Rey for years because there was a chance of him getting powers from Coyote. Given that they still have that level of paranoia about Coyote and the forest, I don't think they'd want to disable a valuable defensive system, even if the consequence is that Jeanne's ghost has to suffer down there indefinitely. It seems likely to me that the major decision-makers at the court would see it as a necessary evil. Extending from that, they'd probably also take steps to prevent the Parley/Smitty/Annie/Kat team from freeing her, too, if they knew about their intentions. Surma tried to lure Rey but they actually imprisoned Rey because he murdered that boy. I'm not sure he was tortured as much as bound extensively because he was inhabiting the body of a very powerful being. The murder just gave them a convenient excuse for locking him up. Since they were trying to lure him over in the first place, I believe that if he'd tried to go back, even without murdering someone, they'd still have changed his status from 'honored guest' to 'prisoner'.
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Post by jayne on Jan 7, 2011 4:29:55 GMT
When they first tried to get Rey, he was just a somewhat immortal talking fox with the ability to fly. Were they planning on putting him in one of Paz's animal cages.... forever?
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Post by fronzel on Jan 7, 2011 5:31:42 GMT
Well, they're still all about using dirty tricks to further their interests... Yeah, their opposite, Coyote, would never use tricks to further his interests! When there's no real rules governing the interaction of two entities, dirty tricks happen, and the Court and the forest have a rough working relationship, not real rules. Given that they still have that level of paranoia about Coyote and the forest... It's only paranoia if it's irrational. I don't think we can say that Coyote poses no threat. When they first tried to get Rey, he was just a somewhat immortal talking fox with the ability to fly. Were they planning on putting him in one of Paz's animal cages.... forever? Anja said nothing about what they were planning after luring him to the Court before Renard ended up murdering someone. Given their fears, I'd be willing to say they wouldn't have let him return to the forest and accept Coyote's power, but who's the say they wouldn't try something softer first, like trying to persuade him to stay in the Court? Maybe they wouldn't be on the level about it, they'd say "stay close to Surma, live in the Court" when they really just want to keep him away from Coyote, but I don't see why we should assume they'd leap to something horrible and injurious to Renard straight away. Anja is uncomfortable at Annie's characterization of Surma's behavior as "tricking" Renard. How could she be so squeamish if she was in on a plan to lock Renard in a box forever or whatever?
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Post by gildarts on Jan 7, 2011 7:56:53 GMT
ok as someone mentiontioned earlier, about people having jokers voice....i re read GKC and everytime coyote came up i just read it in jokers voice....deargod it makes him sound more badass XD
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Post by hal9000 on Jan 7, 2011 8:55:58 GMT
Well, they're still all about using dirty tricks to further their interests... Yeah, their opposite, Coyote, would never use tricks to further his interests! When there's no real rules governing the interaction of two entities, dirty tricks happen, and the Court and the forest have a rough working relationship, not real rules. It's only paranoia if it's irrational. I don't think we can say that Coyote poses no threat. I never said the other side wasn't just as bad (if not worse; the creation of the gap by Coyote in the first place was probably the primary destabilizing action in the conflict). I mean 'Paranoia' in the sense of 'Cold-war paranoia'; eg each side has more-or-less accurately gauged the threat posed by the other's military capability, but at the same time assumes the worst about the other's intentions. I should also say, I find it interesting how the standoff between the two resembles the geopolitical situation on the Korean peninsula during the cold war. Two totalitarian states with vastly different philosophies separated by a wide gap made impassible by one (the US and SK have planted an incredible number and variety of mines, though NK has also). There's even a bridge of no return, though it's on the one end of a neutral area where both sides can meet to negotiate. I agree they probably wouldn't have imprisoned him right off the bat if he hadn't given them a justification for doing it. But, what you're saying implies that they very well would have gotten nasty with him had 'softer' means failed, and I think I agree with that, too. Squeamishness is a natural result of cognitive dissonance. Anja may well have known what they were doing was underhanded and pretty rotten, but rationalized it away as necessary for the greater good because of loyalty to the organization and to her friend. If so, then it seems obvious that she'd be squeamish about someone saying it in such stark terms.
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Post by todd on Jan 7, 2011 11:46:49 GMT
Extending from that, they'd probably also take steps to prevent the Parley/Smitty/Annie/Kat team from freeing her, too, if they knew about their intentions. I wonder what they'd have done if Annie and Co. *had* gone to them and told them about what they'd found. Lock the four of them up, drop them from the Court records, and use some etheric method to erase them from the memories of their classmates? (Of course, it would mean losing all three potential mediums, and the daughter of a pair of teachers at the Court - not to mention she's a promising future scientist/technologist - but they might see it as the only way to keep the defences caused by Jeanne safe - not to mention the fear of producing a stain on the Founders' reputations.) Though, thanks to the caution used by those four, we'll never know. I do think that talks about doing questionable (at best) things for "the greater good" are a sign that something is wrong. It gives me the feeling of a man who would slaughter or do other bad things to any individual person for the sake of an abstract group more an idea in his head than something solid and real. At the same time, I do feel some pity for the Court, caught in a trap of its own weaving; in their desperate situation, the people running it are convinced that the only way to survive is to descend into greater wrongs, which in turn lead to more wrongs. And by now, it may be too late for them (barring a miracle) to escape the consequences of those deeds.
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Post by cu on Jan 7, 2011 15:05:31 GMT
ok as someone mentiontioned earlier, about people having jokers voice....i re read GKC and everytime coyote came up i just read it in jokers voice....deargod it makes him sound more badass XD That's not too bad. Every time I read Ysengrin he speaks with Mr. T's voice.
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Post by paxjax123 on Jan 7, 2011 19:50:14 GMT
ok as someone mentiontioned earlier, about people having jokers voice....i re read GKC and everytime coyote came up i just read it in jokers voice....deargod it makes him sound more badass XD That's not too bad. Every time I read Ysengrin he speaks with Mr. T's voice. "I PITY THE FOOL WHO CRIES BECAUSE SHE'S WEAK."
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Post by christopher on Jan 7, 2011 21:46:42 GMT
How many children will they have?Tree ;D They just want to make some new roots. Now you're just makin' an ash out of yourself.
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Post by cu on Jan 7, 2011 23:55:47 GMT
That's not too bad. Every time I read Ysengrin he speaks with Mr. T's voice. "I PITY THE FOOL WHO CRIES BECAUSE SHE'S WEAK." "I have little patience for weakness!" "How could you leave him trapped there?!" "You expect us to talk to children?" "You are in no position to make requests."
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jan 8, 2011 3:25:19 GMT
The murder just gave them a convenient excuse for locking him up. Since they were trying to lure him over in the first place, I believe that if he'd tried to go back, even without murdering someone, they'd still have changed his status from 'honored guest' to 'prisoner'. An odd thought occurs to me. Renard's reaction to falling in love was to take a power from Coyote and kill a Court student. What would have happened if Surma or someone else had stolen Rey's heart without any ulterior motives? Probably exactly the same thing. While preemptive imprisonment is going a bit too far, it would seem that the Court's distrust of Renard was completely justified.
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Jan 8, 2011 4:17:20 GMT
So many little things I've forgotten due to time. The little foot in mouth engraving on the headstone just made me lose it.
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Post by hal9000 on Jan 8, 2011 10:52:56 GMT
The murder just gave them a convenient excuse for locking him up. Since they were trying to lure him over in the first place, I believe that if he'd tried to go back, even without murdering someone, they'd still have changed his status from 'honored guest' to 'prisoner'. An odd thought occurs to me. Renard's reaction to falling in love was to take a power from Coyote and kill a Court student. What would have happened if Surma or someone else had stolen Rey's heart without any ulterior motives? Probably exactly the same thing. While preemptive imprisonment is going a bit too far, it would seem that the Court's distrust of Renard was completely justified. You know, I'm not sure about that. We haven't seen the possession or the circumstances surrounding it, we've just heard second-hand accounts of what transpired. I'm wondering if they didn't somehow create a dangerous situation trying to lure him over. Also, if someone else had stolen his heart, it's possible they would have defected to the Forest instead of having it the other way around.
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Post by todd on Jan 8, 2011 11:53:36 GMT
I wonder if part of the reason why the Court is unable to trust the forest-folk is because of the faculty's own record for deception - a case of "Why are you so convinced they're up to something sneaky?" "Because that's what we'd do in their place."
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Post by hifranc on Jan 8, 2011 12:25:23 GMT
I wonder if part of the reason why the Court is unable to trust the forest-folk is because of the faculty's own record for deception - a case of "Why are you so convinced they're up to something sneaky?" "Because that's what we'd do in their place." I think it's slightly more subtle than that but that mindset doesn't help. They have direct evidence and Coyote has hinted that he is fundamentally opposed to the whole existance of GC.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jan 8, 2011 19:01:40 GMT
An odd thought occurs to me. Renard's reaction to falling in love was to take a power from Coyote and kill a Court student. What would have happened if Surma or someone else had stolen Rey's heart without any ulterior motives? Probably exactly the same thing. While preemptive imprisonment is going a bit too far, it would seem that the Court's distrust of Renard was completely justified. You know, I'm not sure about that. We haven't seen the possession or the circumstances surrounding it, we've just heard second-hand accounts of what transpired. I'm wondering if they didn't somehow create a dangerous situation trying to lure him over. Also, if someone else had stolen his heart, it's possible they would have defected to the Forest instead of having it the other way around. On that same note, we haven't seen the entirety of Surma's deception of Renard, just second-hand accounts of what transpired.
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Jan 9, 2011 2:09:38 GMT
Tom certainly isn't opposed to making characters with blatantly mistaken impressions of other characters and events. Gunnerkrigg doesn't have any "author voice info dump" moments. At least it doesn't seem so.
Everything we hear in comic is filtered through the perception of that individual in panel. People are prone to lie, be mistaken, or blatantly misremember to keep themselves happier.
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