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Post by noblemanofreason on Jan 5, 2011 10:15:06 GMT
Tom's Twitter: "My comic has updated. A part of Annie's fiery nature is revealed." Yey, this was only a part of the truth, there's still more to reveal! In a similar vein, this still doesn't explain why the guides went to Surma and now Annie (with Jeanne) when they have or had problems taking souls to the either. I wager there is something else that draws guides to Annie than just having a powerful etheric presence. Also have to say this is turning out to be one of the longest chapters with have had so far.
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Post by noblemanofreason on Jan 5, 2011 10:17:04 GMT
Coyote seems pretty interested in whether Annie sometimes has a bad temper. A reminder; Coyote gave Annie a powerful weapon in the form of his tooth. Another; Coyote has promised not to bother the Court, but was eager to give power to Renard, who hadn't made such a promise. I suppose a trickster will try to find any way to cause trouble, even by finding loops holes in promises.
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Post by roboticelf on Jan 5, 2011 10:35:32 GMT
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Post by gumbamasta on Jan 5, 2011 10:57:40 GMT
I wonder... was Anthony carver completely human himself?
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Post by Pietja on Jan 5, 2011 11:03:52 GMT
"Alright, now listen, baby
You don't care for me I don'-a care about that Gotta new fool, ha! I like it like that
I have only one burning desire Let me stand next to your fire"
- Jimi Hendrix "Fire"
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Post by Geekette on Jan 5, 2011 11:08:47 GMT
I do think that Anthony's calm nature was probably a part of the reason for Surma's choice, though no doubt we'll have other reasons thrown at us later when we least expect it.
What I do wonder though - and tell me if I'm grasping at straws too widely spread here - is this a part of the reason that Anthony is distant to Annie? Following the thought through here; "her father's influence" sounds less to me like his nature being passed on through genetics and more being exposed to his attitude. We already know she seems to act more like her father than her mother. So... was Anthony, by his own choice, Surma's request, or something else, deliberately being colder in front of Annie in order to encourage and instill her usual cool and logical head?
We're pretty much positive Anthony knew that having a child would cause Surma to die, but all the characters are so complex (which is wonderful), I'm loathe to say grief alone is responsible for how he comes across in regards to Annie.
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Post by cu on Jan 5, 2011 11:41:34 GMT
Perhaps it was not the burning passion we all imagine, maybe Annie's grand-grand-granny was just and old flame of his grand-grand-daddy. He was carrying a torch for her, though.
Kadabinnnng!
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Post by Yin on Jan 5, 2011 11:51:56 GMT
Perhaps the medium abilities are unrelated to the elemental abilities. Could be from different ancestors.
On a separate note, elementals are supposed to be soulless. If I remember correctly, they're supposed to earn their souls.
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Post by dante on Jan 5, 2011 11:59:25 GMT
Also, Annie being half an fire elemental sheds a new light on the rescuing the boy in chapter 16. Oh yeah. Interesting that she didn't like fire, then, even when she couldn't consciously tell what it was.
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Post by jayne on Jan 5, 2011 12:00:16 GMT
Little known fact: Annie's great, great, great, great, great grandfather was the discoverer of the Aloe Vera plant.
OH and with that slight nod, Jone's has verified that Anthony was in fact Annie's biological father and a very important component of her being.
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Post by MoonEcho on Jan 5, 2011 12:42:21 GMT
.... - Jimi Hendrix " Fire" Good, good! ;D Alternate theme song for this page: Kings of Leon - "Sex on Fire"
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Post by paxjax123 on Jan 5, 2011 13:21:55 GMT
Oh wow. My sister earns a cookie, now. Last night she said, "well Annie is just half fire and that's all there is to it" And I was all "naw man, that can't be."
BUT NOW I'M WRONG.
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Post by Spike on Jan 5, 2011 14:05:01 GMT
Annie HASS the flame
I remember the idea of Annie being part or whole elemental had been speculated, rejected, tried for new join, failed, checked out, slapped around a bit and finally put to rest. As usual, kudos to those who got it right.
HOT DAMN, Coyote. Wait, no, the pun was unintentional, I swear. Those eyes.
He's pissed off now.
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Post by jayne on Jan 5, 2011 14:50:35 GMT
I don't think Coyote is mad... I think he's fairly pleased with himself. He's figured it all out and he's right, right Jones? *Jones gives a slight nod*
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Post by maestro on Jan 5, 2011 15:25:20 GMT
"I suspect" quoth Coyote? Not definitive. That three pointed crown is back though, panels 2 and 3 and in the latter it's by her feet. Does that mean the fire-whozit gave up something in order for that first union to be possible? I think it's supposed to represent fire instead of a crown. It's just three flames.
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Post by lemmingatk on Jan 5, 2011 15:39:42 GMT
People keep saying that a human fraternizing with a fire elemental would be a difficult task, but we've seen Annie create non-dangerous fire in the past (Annan Ravine and also the camping trip). It seems wrong (to me) to assume that a fire elemental would not have at least as much control over flames.
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Post by scyllarus on Jan 5, 2011 16:00:16 GMT
truth be told, i wasn't really a huge supporter for the phoenix theory. hell, i kind of just thought "oh, well, it's apparently passed down from mother to child" and didn't think about where the first "flame" came from. i'm not entirely sure why a fire elemental would have such great etheric power (i mean, okay, over flames yes, but otherwise to the point of being very important to the spirit guides and such? no.)
speculation: anthony probably did love surma, if annie's dream was any indicator. but we don't see anthony hanging out with his daughter (though that might just be omission), so i'm leaning toward "anthony has something about him that dampens the fire effect in surma's bloodline." perhaps he's part elemental himself? i mean, the mechanics of having sex with, say, earth or water is a lot less terrifying than fire.
i was always a bit under the impression that he wasn't entirely normal, either. i think the only one out of surma's friends that was normal was donny, sir knight of the robots.
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Post by zylonbane on Jan 5, 2011 16:06:01 GMT
Perhaps the medium abilities are unrelated to the elemental abilities. Could be from different ancestors. "Medium abilities", are no more magical than "ham sandwich making abilities". As Jones explained way back when, it's just a matter of temperament and mindset.
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Post by hal9000 on Jan 5, 2011 16:19:33 GMT
Perhaps the medium abilities are unrelated to the elemental abilities. Could be from different ancestors. "Medium abilities", are no more magical than "ham sandwich making abilities". As Jones explained way back when, it's just a matter of temperament and mindset. Yeah, pretty much. 'Medium' seems to be a position within the Court analogous to a diplomat or spy, rather than some sort of inherited trait.
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Post by jayne on Jan 5, 2011 16:20:04 GMT
I think we would all do best not to speculate too much on the mechanics of human/fire elemental reproduction. In Stardust, Yvaine is both a star and a beautiful woman. I'm fine with just accepting this as "it just is" Perhaps Yvaine was Annie's ancestor. A star could be a kind of fire elemental, right? And in story, if the Sutton's have children, they'd be part tree!
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Post by gumbamasta on Jan 5, 2011 16:47:00 GMT
Little known fact: Annie's great, great, great, great, great grandfather was the discoverer of the Aloe Vera plant. OH and with that slight nod, Jone's has verified that Anthony was in fact Annie's biological father and a very important component of her being. Actually, the only thing that she did confirm was that her relative calmness is her father's influence, without refering to her father's identity. We all assume that Anthony is her father so we assume that they're talking about him.
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Post by jayne on Jan 5, 2011 17:00:40 GMT
Little known fact: Annie's great, great, great, great, great grandfather was the discoverer of the Aloe Vera plant. OH and with that slight nod, Jone's has verified that Anthony was in fact Annie's biological father and a very important component of her being. Actually, the only thing that she did confirm was that her relative calmness is her father's influence, without refering to her father's identity. We all assume that Anthony is her father so we assume that they're talking about him. AH, but to Coyote's great amusement, he knows "CARVER is the girls father"
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Post by gumbamasta on Jan 5, 2011 17:10:43 GMT
Yes, indeed. But we do know so many true things that turn out to be wrong.
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Post by blulink on Jan 5, 2011 17:12:59 GMT
I think the three point crown means living flame. And how cool is the coyote flaming head!
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Post by gumbamasta on Jan 5, 2011 17:14:19 GMT
It's so cool it's hot.
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Post by mistysoul on Jan 5, 2011 17:31:02 GMT
*siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh* I am disappointed in myself for posting my ideas about a phoenix being a distant ancestor to Annie on here. It seems so pointless to argue over theories, which is inevitable if you reveal your own because others will post questions and counterarguments. And by seeing today's page I realize if one of those theories had turned out to be correct, it would only have caused more conflict. It would have made half the fans expect the answer, and the other half feel negatively in some way because they had posted different arguments with just as much logical explanation. So from now on, no more theory posting from me. All hail the Tom.
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Post by marcador on Jan 5, 2011 17:31:23 GMT
Hi, just joined! Coyote isn't certain that it was a fire elemental in the past. Therefore the phoenix theory may still have a chance, though I doubt it. Are there likely to be three other "people" around for the other elements (earth, air and water)? Going back to elementals and souls: If they have no souls, what is it that is "led away" when they die? But Yin says they can earn souls. Why can't the psychopomps take this? Annie sapped Surma's life as she grew. Was Surma giving her her own soul? Would Annie have died without it, or did Surma have no choice? [how do you quote someone?]
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Post by anisky on Jan 5, 2011 17:36:29 GMT
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Post by jayne on Jan 5, 2011 17:37:20 GMT
Yes, indeed. But we do know so many true things that turn out to be wrong. I think we can be 99.9999999% sure Anthony is Annie's actual, biological father. Tom said so, Jones believes it, Anja, Eglamore and Donald believe it, and Annie looks and acts like him. At this point, if it turns out anyone else IS Annie's actual, biological father... well, I'd assume Tom's computer got hacked and someone messed with his file before I'd go along with it.
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Post by jayne on Jan 5, 2011 17:39:22 GMT
Hi Marcador, welcome aboard!
If you want to quote someone's message, there's a 'quote' link in the top right corner of each message.
if you want to quote something out of the blue use [ quote] Say Something Here [ /quote] (but leave out the spaces in the quote tags)
as in:
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