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Post by Per on Jan 3, 2011 13:20:15 GMT
I read the "When?" as meaning more or less "Yeah, right."
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Post by todd on Jan 3, 2011 13:38:57 GMT
I prefer not to read too much into Tom's annotations; most of them seem to be there more for comedic effect (hence their absence whenever the story becomes extremely serious) than anything else.
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Post by Per on Jan 3, 2011 13:52:08 GMT
"Nobody likes boxbot" is ultra canon
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Post by Rex on Jan 3, 2011 14:38:15 GMT
Oh damn, things just got really rough for Annie. She already had issues with the romantic stuff, but now I can't even imagine how she'll react to suitors now.
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Post by legion on Jan 3, 2011 14:56:51 GMT
Oh damn, things just got really rough for Annie. She already had issues with the romantic stuff, but now I can't even imagine how she'll react to suitors now. With lasers, that's how.
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Post by paxjax123 on Jan 3, 2011 15:23:37 GMT
OI, COYOTE. We know all this! Bring on the Pheonix!
That almost rhymed.
ALSO: It's interesting how Coyote has that smile on his face, even when telling Annie she's going to die.
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Post by spacemilk on Jan 3, 2011 15:43:45 GMT
Big question(s) for me: Did Anthony know Surma - and therefore Annie - were "not quite human"? Did anyone else know besides "Wandering Eye", Coyote, and co. - and does this mean Rey knew? Did Surma tell Anthony this would happen? Did Surma choose Anthony - out of an apparent bevy of suitors - because she thought he could help her with this "condition"?
Bah, if only formspring weren't blocked at work! (although my answers would probably all be "Remains to be seen" >.< )
edit: one was kiiinda asked (and answered exactly as expected): "If everyone, including Anthony, knew about what would happen if Surma had a child...why did Anthony father Annie? Remains to be seen"
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Post by davidm on Jan 3, 2011 16:06:54 GMT
I'd like to think Reys love for Annie is more of a fatherly one. So far he's been more supportive and protective of Annie then her real father anyway :l Her real fathers life was consumed with trying to save/cure her mother. It is possible that it is now consumed with trying to save daughter, to find a cure.
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Post by Snes on Jan 3, 2011 16:38:08 GMT
You know, I'm not so convinced on this whole phoenix thing. It all seems to be working kind of backwards. Traditionally, phoenixes die and a child comes from their ashes. In this case, Surma had a child and died because of it.
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Post by jayne on Jan 3, 2011 16:40:49 GMT
The phoenix that is reborn is the same phoenix, not its child.
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Post by spacemilk on Jan 3, 2011 16:41:41 GMT
You know, I'm not so convinced on this whole phoenix thing. It all seems to be working kind of backwards. Traditionally, phoenixes die and a child comes from their ashes. In this case, Surma had a child and died because of it. I agree. I think someone else had the same point (user imaginaryfriend? I think). I like the Maiden-Mother-Crone theory, personally. Also, an interesting tidbit: On Tom's formspring, he said that if Annie had died as a youth, Surma still would've wasted away. Which doesn't tell us much about the correctness of either theory; it's just more info to mull over.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 3, 2011 18:21:51 GMT
I'm sorry, but I have read the page you have linked, but apart from a connection to fire (with them being celebrated with burning fires on midsummer day), I cannot see a strong connection with Surma and Antimony. Could someone explain this to me? Am I missing something important here? You have to bounce through a lot of goddess articles to find them but if you look at those who're grouped as a triad you can find a number of similarities with the youngest. They teach and guide the dead, carry and/or are honored by fire, and they represent spring and renewal and new beginnings (and by implication, discovery). There is a lot of overlap and confusion here, just like in the whole Wandering Eye myths, for example Lasair in the Irish goddess triad is represented as both the vernal aspect and the oldest of the sisters, at least according to some sources. Then again Latiaran the youngest of that triad is considered the Crone, bringer of death, but also represented by red and fire. Usually the maiden is represented by white. The strongest similarity I already mentioned, though: the place on the cycle of birth/death. They're also young, female, and attractive, of course.
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Post by jayne on Jan 3, 2011 18:49:17 GMT
So...whatever Annie is... her kind have a natural ability to control the ether... so maybe whatever she is, her kind is FROM the etherical world.
Etherical beings... Zimmy would fall under this category too, I think.
WHY wouldn't Surma explain all this to her daughter? She HAD plenty of time.
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Post by mistysoul on Jan 3, 2011 18:52:20 GMT
Exactly. There are a lot of interesting stories about the youngest member of such triads, particularly the Celtic variations. Wiki isn't a great resource on this topic but their article on Annan (aka Gentle Annie) might be a good starting point, or perhaps Aine who's connection back to a triad is more vague but very interesting. I encourage people to read a bunch of stuff and make up their own minds. [edit] Links corrected! Apologies to anyone mislinked. [/edit] I'm sorry, but I have read the page you have linked, but apart from a connection to fire (with them being celebrated with burning fires on midsummer day), I cannot see a strong connection with Surma and Antimony. Could someone explain this to me? Am I missing something important here? It's an interesting theory, particularly with the name coincidences. But even if this goddess triad rules over death, I don't see how there is a connection with the rebirth cycle that Surma went through either. See, there never was a crone involved, and if Annie has a child also, she will be in the mother stage herself. Surma was not old when she died. Not old at all. The triad can't be completed in this way (with only two), you see what I mean? Because a third will never be there.
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Post by mistysoul on Jan 3, 2011 18:59:34 GMT
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Post by jayne on Jan 3, 2011 18:59:39 GMT
I believe Tom has invented his own mythos with Annie and family... possibly adopting certain elements of the godess triad. It seems familiar at least.
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Post by Ulysses on Jan 3, 2011 19:36:26 GMT
Now that the theme of having children and recurring histories has been more fully revealed, I've realised that this comic could end up being really long. Like 20-30 years long, if we follow through to Annie's child etc. Maybe at some point Tom will do a time jump, skip forward several years to speed it up a bit.
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Post by gumbamasta on Jan 3, 2011 19:45:20 GMT
All this makes me wonder, just how much enjoyment does Tom get out of seeing us twisting our minds in an attempts to unravel his.
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Post by Aura on Jan 3, 2011 20:01:52 GMT
What would happen if Annie had more than one child? Is that possible? Would the 2nd child also get a bit of that 'fire spirit' or would it be a normal child? Anyway, that has nothing to do with this comic so I'll leave it at that.
On to the comic: This page made me sad =( It's not fair!!
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Post by jayne on Jan 3, 2011 20:17:17 GMT
What would happen if Annie had more than one child? Is that possible? Would the 2nd child also get a bit of that 'fire spirit' or would it be a normal child? Anyway, that has nothing to do with this comic so I'll leave it at that. On to the comic: This page made me sad =( It's not fair!! Was it possible for Surma to have any children after Annie? No So it's likely Annie would be unable to have a second child also.
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Post by zylonbane on Jan 3, 2011 21:16:21 GMT
And on this day, Annie decided to switch teams.
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Post by basser on Jan 3, 2011 21:27:40 GMT
So...whatever Annie is... her kind have a natural ability to control the ether... so maybe whatever she is, her kind is FROM the etherical world. Etherical beings... Zimmy would fall under this category too, I think. WHY wouldn't Surma explain all this to her daughter? She HAD plenty of time. I think Zimmy is less "being from the ether" and more "human with devastating etherically-linked birth disorder." I mean isn't her whole problem that she soaks up ether but can't make use of it? That'd be like being allergic to water. And yeah I can't figure out what Surma's problem was either.
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Post by hal9000 on Jan 3, 2011 21:52:03 GMT
So...whatever Annie is... her kind have a natural ability to control the ether... so maybe whatever she is, her kind is FROM the etherical world. Etherical beings... Zimmy would fall under this category too, I think. WHY wouldn't Surma explain all this to her daughter? She HAD plenty of time. I think Zimmy is less "being from the ether" and more "human with devastating etherically-linked birth disorder." I mean isn't her whole problem that she soaks up ether but can't make use of it? That'd be like being allergic to water. And yeah I can't figure out what Surma's problem was either. She did seem to have a habit of making poor decisions, from what we've seen in this chapter.
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Post by basser on Jan 3, 2011 22:17:38 GMT
Maybe Surma's mom explained it to her too early and traumatized her, so she kept putting off telling Annie about it until it was too late.
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Post by blahzor on Jan 3, 2011 23:15:56 GMT
isn't it obvious now that the reason Coyote calls her Fire Head Girl is that he see's the Fire Spike symbol when he looks at her and therefore see's a Eye symbol when he looks at Jones
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Post by blahzor on Jan 3, 2011 23:19:37 GMT
And on this day, Annie decided to switch teams. ha good one but i can see it happen from my Yuri Goggles
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Post by sniperct on Jan 3, 2011 23:30:33 GMT
And on this day, Annie decided to switch teams. I'm surprised that took 3 pages.
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Post by rohaigirl on Jan 3, 2011 23:51:22 GMT
Oh damn, things just got really rough for Annie. She already had issues with the romantic stuff, but now I can't even imagine how she'll react to suitors now. With lasers, that's how. Epic Win. I think Tom's teasing us with the phoenix theory. Tricky devil that he is... No wonder he writes Coyote so awesomely. D:
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Post by 0o0f on Jan 4, 2011 0:40:33 GMT
And on this day, Annie decided to switch teams. *snort* Maybe one day, Kat finds a solution for it though. No, but seriously. Besides Annie being close to her mother emotionally, it sounds like they also needed to stay close for the fire to pass over properly. And right now Annie is probably thinking "no, never going to happen." Perhaps Surma was thinking the same thing at first, but changed her mind for some reason.
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Post by rob0tt on Jan 4, 2011 1:23:27 GMT
Annie's next meeting with Jack is going to be waaaay more awkward. (I didn't even think that was possible.)
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