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Post by legion on Nov 30, 2010 7:35:05 GMT
So what we have here: 1) Surma's mother likely did not have the same condition: it is not generational. 2) Reynardine knows about Surma's condition, and why. 3) Surma spent a lot of time in the company of Coyote. 4) Coyote is in the habit of giving gifts with huge, major drawbacks. Hypothesis: Coyote gave Surma some gift or power that resulted in her offspring leeching her life-force from her, etherically. Any takers? Number 1 is a total assumption. total. Also, most of the failings of coyote's techniques were discovered only experimentally. reynard might not have asked for the gift if he knew that it would kill people. Also, Surma had her gift from early on, to the point that court officials put her and anja with the fairies and such. For number 1, Tom seems to have said that Surma's mother was not incidential to the story, so. For the rest, what if the gift she asked from Coyote was not her etheric abilities… but the ability to give life, because she had been sterile before? </wild theory>
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Post by Max on Nov 30, 2010 7:56:20 GMT
Does.. does that mean Jones is Obi-Wan? Hmmm... Suddenly I sense a large disturbance in the Force. This is likely been done by someone who can blow up planets with unerring accuracy. His space station seems to be coming along well. (Sorry)
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Post by Eversist on Nov 30, 2010 9:49:11 GMT
Preeeeetty sure Surma's still with Eggers at that point, not Anthony.
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Post by rafk on Nov 30, 2010 10:53:27 GMT
One thing that I keep thinking is that there is a gift-giving character whose gifts always come with a price. What if Surma made a bargain with Coyote? ooooooooooooooooooh I like that one.
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Post by rafk on Nov 30, 2010 10:54:37 GMT
For number 1, Tom seems to have said that Surma's mother was not incidential to the story, so. No, Tom's corrected that via Twitter and said he read that formspring question as being about Surma. He didn't mean to imply anything about Surma's mother.
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Post by fuzzysocks on Nov 30, 2010 11:13:39 GMT
Actually, you know what? I'm going to go out on a limb and defend both Annie and Reynard here. They're saying truths! Painful ones, but things that the other person probably deserves to know. Things that they probably wouldn't find out any other way, because everyone else is hiding the truth. True, Annie could have told Reynard the thing about deceit in a less hurtful way. But the thing is, if it wasn't for a big argument like this, Reynard would probably never find out! He'd go his entire life unaware of the truth about something pretty important to him. The same goes for Reynard telling Annie about her mother's illness. He said it in a way calculated to be as mean as possible, but I'll bet you very good odds that Antimony will proceed to learn more about the nature of her and her mother's power, and eventually know why and how Surma's death worked that way. If it wasn't for this fight, the Donlans, her father and the rest of the school would hide this from her for a very long time. She'll eventually recover from this shock (especially if she remembers that there apparently was something left of Surma to lead to the afterlife, since Annie did so). Well, I'm of the philosophy that it's better to know unhappy truths than to be pleasantly ignorant, and that's definitely shaping my opinion here. Both these characters are being jerks, because they're fighting, but I think this is ultimately good for both of them. +1
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Post by jayne on Nov 30, 2010 11:58:01 GMT
Preeeeetty sure Surma's still with Eggers at that point, not Anthony. Wait a second!? When I first read that I thought she was saying how Donny was really missing Jim, but maybe she was saying she misses Jim LESS... have her affections begun to wane at this point?
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Post by aegis on Nov 30, 2010 14:50:29 GMT
Maybe it just means that Surma is transmitted via mitochondrial DNA. In other words...she's midi-chlorians. Antimony is the chosen one, who will restore balance between the Court and the Forest, and destroy the old ways in the process. Tom had us fooled the whole time - this is actually a Star Wars fan-comic! Perhaps you are right on item number one, since actual mitochondria are only inherited from ones mother (via the egg, since they have their own DNA and reproduce on their own cycle). Surma could have some sort of etherically-charged mitochondria... Item number two is funny, but obviously tongue-in-cheek. George Lucas just cobbled the organelle names mitochondria and chloroplast into a mash-up when he ruined Star Wars by adding his half-assed explanation of the Force. It never even needed to exist in order to drive the plot of the Phantom Menace anyway. Tom doesn't have to flatter a writer that took most of his ideas from Arthurian and Eastern legends, he is wonderful on his own.
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Post by jayne on Nov 30, 2010 15:13:59 GMT
Maybe it just means that Surma is transmitted via mitochondrial DNA. In other words...she's midi-chlorians. Antimony is the chosen one, who will restore balance between the Court and the Forest, and destroy the old ways in the process. Tom had us fooled the whole time - this is actually a Star Wars fan-comic! Perhaps you are right on item number one, since actual mitochondria are only inherited from ones mother (via the egg, since they have their own DNA and reproduce on their own cycle). Surma could have some sort of etherically-charged mitochondria... Item number two is funny, but obviously tongue-in-cheek. George Lucas just cobbled the organelle names mitochondria and chloroplast into a mash-up when he ruined Star Wars by adding his half-assed explanation of the Force. It never even needed to exist in order to drive the plot of the Phantom Menace anyway. Tom doesn't have to flatter a writer that took most of his ideas from Arthurian and Eastern legends, he is wonderful on his own. This is also a good example of why Tom doesn't fully explain how etheric powers work. "It just does" works a lot better than what Lucas did.
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Post by scyllarus on Nov 30, 2010 16:21:47 GMT
heh. he even mentions stuff like kat's "just because it hasn't been explained, doesn't mean it's magic, jeez guys how does that even work."
IT JUST DOES.
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Post by stephen on Nov 30, 2010 17:47:17 GMT
If you could explain how magic worked, it wouldn't be magic. It'd be another branch of science. More relevant Formspring!: _______
"If Anthony knew the reason for Surma's illness, then what did he actually devote his life in the hospital to?" "Trying to cure it (also he worked as a surgeon there)" "Why wasn't that remnant of Surma deserving of a psychopomp?""Because that's not what they want" "Does Annie taking Surma's spirit have to do with her looking so much like Surma? (Actually, I think I mean that the other way around.)""she just looks like her mom" "Did Renard and Eglamore hate Anthony because he got Surma pregnant?""They hated him because he got Surma" "Did Anthony encourage Annie to be reserved and maintain control over her emotions so that the rate Annie sucked the life out of Surma would be slower?" "no" "In this chapter was Annie in a bad mood even before her conversation with Anja?""She's been in some sort of uneasy mood for a while" "Did Surma keep in touch at all with anyone from the Court?""no" _______
Interesting.
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Post by richie9999 on Nov 30, 2010 21:58:37 GMT
Annie uses accusing glare, wild Renard is defensive Wild Renard uses table turning revelation Its Super Effective! Annie fainted.
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Post by jayne on Nov 30, 2010 21:59:57 GMT
Annie uses accusing glare, wild Renard is defensive Wild Renard uses table turning revelation Its Super Effective! Annie fainted. Rey rolled 20 on a D20?
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Post by lukas on Nov 30, 2010 22:24:57 GMT
oh wow, that's a nice kick in the teeth.
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Post by todd on Nov 30, 2010 23:22:10 GMT
This is also a good example of why Tom doesn't fully explain how etheric powers work. "It just does" works a lot better than what Lucas did. Not to mention that the Court trying to figure out how etheric powers work seems to have led (directly or indirectly) to most of the trouble in the comic.
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Post by joephlommin on Dec 1, 2010 4:16:06 GMT
To lazy to read all of the pages. Anyway I suspect Annie will explode in fiery (lierally) rage and denial. Yup... G'Night
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Post by christopher on Dec 1, 2010 5:49:51 GMT
Tonight's the night we find out! We shall see!
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Post by jayne on Dec 1, 2010 14:19:11 GMT
Well, now we get to find out exactly what kind of beast this Reynard is. Annie can have no other reaction than to just break down and cry and he'll be there to see it with no escape. At first, he will be triumphant like Annie was a second ago but how long can that last. If he's capable of love in the least, he won't be able to stand that for very long. This isn't exactly me saying "called it" but yeah, Rey isn't a complete bastard, he's just really good at being a bastard.
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Post by dante on Dec 2, 2010 1:05:56 GMT
I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but this page is a pretty strong hint about Annie taking Surma's medium-powers.
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Post by heranje on Dec 3, 2010 2:41:11 GMT
Preeeeetty sure Surma's still with Eggers at that point, not Anthony. Wait a second!? When I first read that I thought she was saying how Donny was really missing Jim, but maybe she was saying she misses Jim LESS... have her affections begun to wane at this point? Actually, re-reading that, you could interpret it at Surma not really being that into Jim any more. Maybe she was even thinking of Anthony in her first absent-minded "Yeah...", and Anja just assumed she was thinking of Eggers? Then, Surma reels herself in with "Yeah, yeah, 'im and 'is stupid training.", realising that Anja has misinterpreted her thoughts. Just speculation, of course.
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Post by christopher on Dec 3, 2010 4:14:01 GMT
Well, now we get to find out exactly what kind of beast this Reynard is. Annie can have no other reaction than to just break down and cry and he'll be there to see it with no escape. At first, he will be triumphant like Annie was a second ago but how long can that last. If he's capable of love in the least, he won't be able to stand that for very long. This isn't exactly me saying "called it" but yeah, Rey isn't a complete bastard, he's just really good at being a bastard. Actually, I would like to say that at no time was Reynard actually 'happy'. He was yelling mad, yes, but he took no glee in this. Unlike Annie's vindictive crowing and asserting her power over him.
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Post by jayne on Dec 3, 2010 16:03:46 GMT
This isn't exactly me saying "called it" but yeah, Rey isn't a complete bastard, he's just really good at being a bastard. Actually, I would like to say that at no time was Reynard actually 'happy'. He was yelling mad, yes, but he took no glee in this. Unlike Annie's vindictive crowing and asserting her power over him. "Triumphant" doesn't mean happy or gleeful, it means victorious, like he's won the 'total bastard' contest. In the first frame, he's scowling at Annie while she's on the floor, then he realizes how badly she's been hurt and he's no longer scowling at her. Annie's crowing was her version of triumphant. She thought she had the upper hand at that point.
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Post by gildarts on Dec 5, 2010 10:16:44 GMT
when i read that chapter my jaw hit my desk..... it was very painful >.O
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