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Post by Alex on Nov 15, 2010 13:47:01 GMT
edit: Max, I'm pretty sure the expression on her face has nothing to do with Jack I don't know. It would sorta fit in with her reaction to Mort, and I can't see what else it would apply to. Plus as you pointed out this mirrors page 796, after she had left smiling and then been upset. But that's my point, we know she feels like this (angryface!) prior to meeting Jack, so there's no reason to believe it was caused by him and every reason to believe it's just the same angryface returning after a short interregnum.
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Post by hal9000 on Nov 15, 2010 13:52:26 GMT
I don't know. It would sorta fit in with her reaction to Mort, and I can't see what else it would apply to. Plus as you pointed out this mirrors page 796, after she had left smiling and then been upset. But that's my point, we know she feels like this (angryface!) prior to meeting Jack, so there's no reason to believe it was caused by him and every reason to believe it's just the same angryface returning after a short interregnum. Eh, I dunno, she seems a little frownier in this one than in the last one. From /co/ again: I guess it could just be her "going to get that homework done no matter the cost" war face.
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Post by aaroncampbell on Nov 15, 2010 13:56:35 GMT
I'm wondering how many people here are currently students in a Secondary School in the UK, because that book is quite familiar to me as a father of one. The quote above caught my eye for reasons that I shall expound. Has anybody considered the possibility that the "Homework Book" in question is for recording what the homework is? We have such a book in which our daughter records her homework objectives, the teacher can record comments and we can reply or record comments of our own. The homework itself is usually provided on separate sheets of paper, often as not doubling as the answer sheet. It's interesting how so many people jump to the conclusion that Annie "must be about to cheat off her friend", whereas the distinct possibility exists that she is simply looking to see what work she has yet to do before going on holiday with said friend's family. I shall be saddened if I am proven wrong, but I have to point out this alternative interpretation of observation, like the good scientist I pretend to be ;D That's quite interesting -- thanks very much for the info. I am not familiar with that method of homework tracking, but it sounds like a sensible system. I hope you are correct, since any falling out between Kat and Annie would make for an unpleasant holiday. They need time to get out of the Court environment without bringing hostility and mistrust with them.
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Post by legion on Nov 15, 2010 14:05:20 GMT
Whoah what, Annie :/
I don't want to hear anyone calling her a Mary Sue again after that.
Panel 3 > angry face D:
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Post by jayne on Nov 15, 2010 14:18:04 GMT
My theory is Annie is now determined not to go on vacation with the Dolans. She's going to use Kat's homework book to show she's been copying Kat's work all semester and she must retake the course over the summer.
Admitting something isn't normally treated as badly as getting caught doing something, but I think Annie is currently 'unexpellable'; where would she go if she was expelled?
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Post by Naamah on Nov 15, 2010 14:19:39 GMT
notacat made a good point: it could just be a homework PLANNER and Annie is checking something out.
And what if Annie plans on writing a note in this book, no matter which kind it is, to Kat? She knows Kat will quickly find it if it's near any of her homework.
Everyone's freaking out and we hardly know anything!
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Post by mikeymikemikey on Nov 15, 2010 14:21:09 GMT
My theory is Annie is now determined not to go on vacation with the Dolans. She's going to use Kat's homework book to show she's been copying Kat's work all semester and she must retake the course over the summer. Admitting something isn't normally treated as badly as getting caught doing something, but I think Annie is currently 'unexpellable'; where would she go if she was expelled? This kind of cheating isn't quite an offense that will get you expelled. Well, over here anyway. I'm not sure about school rules in the UK, or if the Court follows every one of those said rules considering that it's not quite what you'd call an average school. n Everyone's freaking out and we hardly know anything! Again, just speculating on the possibility of her cheating and Kat's possible reaction if that turns out to be the case. Not freaking out. Like I said in reply to notacat: if I'm right, cool. If notacat is, also cool. Some of us just like speculating.
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Post by hal9000 on Nov 15, 2010 14:26:05 GMT
My theory is Annie is now determined not to go on vacation with the Dolans. She's going to use Kat's homework book to show she's been copying Kat's work all semester and she must retake the course over the summer. Admitting something isn't normally treated as badly as getting caught doing something, but I think Annie is currently 'unexpellable'; where would she go if she was expelled? Well, presumably she'd be kicked out of classes and her father would be summoned to come and get her. Edit: also, that statement about punishments is extremely dependent on the situation. For a kindergartner, sure, but if you're talking about adults, well, (for instance) pleading guilty in traffic court will generally get you just as bad a fine as if you fight it and lose.
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Post by jayne on Nov 15, 2010 14:29:03 GMT
My theory is Annie is now determined not to go on vacation with the Dolans. She's going to use Kat's homework book to show she's been copying Kat's work all semester and she must retake the course over the summer. Admitting something isn't normally treated as badly as getting caught doing something, but I think Annie is currently 'unexpellable'; where would she go if she was expelled? Well, presumably she'd be kicked out of classes and her father would be summoned to come and get her. That's the thing... they can't reach her father and we know he doesn't show up for at least another year! She'd have nowhere to go!
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Post by mikeymikemikey on Nov 15, 2010 14:29:06 GMT
Is relatively minor cheating (that's how we classify cheating on homework here) really an offense that'd get you expelled in the UK? Seems harsh.
Better question: would that even be how the Court would react? They've been pretty calm about more serious, life-threatening offenses (like Annie's little hijinks). Throwing Annie out for cheating just seems dissonant. I don't think it's likely.
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Post by aegis on Nov 15, 2010 14:42:11 GMT
Remember that Annie lives in the same dorm and wing as Kat and still has lock-picking skills (even if Renard has the actual lockpicks).
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Post by jayne on Nov 15, 2010 14:49:30 GMT
Is relatively minor cheating (that's how we classify cheating on homework here) really an offense that'd get you expelled in the UK? Seems harsh. Better question: would that even be how the Court would react? They've been pretty calm about more serious, life-threatening offenses (like Annie's little hijinks). Throwing Annie out for cheating just seems dissonant. I don't think it's likely. Heck, the court might look at cheating as being resourceful in a crunch: "the ends justify the means." Jones never mentioned anything to Annie about looking at Kat's paper. Its hard to believe Jones didn't notice that.
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Post by jayne on Nov 15, 2010 14:59:46 GMT
My theory is Annie is now determined not to go on vacation with the Dolans. She's going to use Kat's homework book to show she's been copying Kat's work all semester and she must retake the course over the summer. Admitting something isn't normally treated as badly as getting caught doing something, but I think Annie is currently 'unexpellable'; where would she go if she was expelled? Well, presumably she'd be kicked out of classes and her father would be summoned to come and get her. Edit: also, that statement about punishments is extremely dependent on the situation. For a kindergartner, sure, but if you're talking about adults, well, (for instance) pleading guilty in traffic court will generally get you just as bad a fine as if you fight it and lose. If you're in traffic court, you've already been caught doing something. If you walked into the police station and said, "I parked too close to a fire hydrant" they'd tell you to move your car.
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Post by monte on Nov 15, 2010 15:24:36 GMT
Everyone's freaking out and we hardly know anything! Well we have seen in the past Annie cheating off of KatSo i kind of think that we are returning to this little long since over looked subplot about her character... in That Annie has apparently been cheating off of Kat's homework
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Post by atteSmythe on Nov 15, 2010 15:59:00 GMT
Everyone's freaking out and we hardly know anything! Well we have seen in the past Annie cheating off of KatSo i kind of think that we are returning to this little long since over looked subplot about her character... in That Annie has apparently been cheating off of Kat's homework That's how I take it, too. I'm skeptical that Tom would take time out from the story to show Annie just looking up information she could've asked for (homework assignment/requirements). I'm also skeptical that these two incidents are isolated. They may be - this last one is coming off the heels of dealing with Jeanne, which Annie apparently spent a lot of energy on. The last time, though, was following nothing in particular. And it's not as though Annie doesn't have ample opportunity. Kat's often working alone in the shop. Very interested in seeing where this goes, even if it goes nowhere for now.
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Post by paxjax123 on Nov 15, 2010 16:16:50 GMT
Now I can't wait until Wednesday. I'm wondering if Annie will get away with this.
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Post by zylar on Nov 15, 2010 16:21:38 GMT
Haha, lots of talk about cheating and Kat's potential reaction.
I'm just interested in what that symbol on the homework book could be. ;P
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Post by atteSmythe on Nov 15, 2010 16:23:59 GMT
Looks like Bismuth to me.
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Post by ryos on Nov 15, 2010 16:42:47 GMT
The earlier-shown incident of Annie cheating off Kat was not unique. That Q/A also reveals how Tom feels about the subject—Annie's cheating is "only minor". I'm thinking it's about time for this habit to hit the fan. Annie needs help she's too independent or proud to ask for. And you know what? Annie and Kat are about due for a fight. Most adolescent friends fight occasionally. I don't think it would end up weakening their friendship in the long run. In fact, Kat walking in right now would probably be the best thing that could happen to Annie long-term, both for their friendship and academically. I don't judge Annie for cheating. I understand the sentiment of being too independent and proud to ask for help. Annie doesn't strike me as the type that considers herself "in need" of anything; she does the helping, not the other way around. She can solve her own problems, thank you. Even if her solution is to copy her friend's work.
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Post by jayne on Nov 15, 2010 17:02:15 GMT
The school symbol seems to be Bismuth, which is just below Antimony on the periodic table.... Antimony is just below Arsenic so that's a bit foreboding... Edit: Its stuff like this that makes us nitpick everything to death. "Antimony is near Bismuth... that must MEAN something??" ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Elaienar on Nov 15, 2010 18:11:16 GMT
Antimony will grow up to have a child who will be the human incarnation of the Seed Bismuth. CLEARLY.
Also Arsenic represents Anthony, who is at this moment in China attempting to assassinate the Divine Being.
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Post by jimbobbowilly on Nov 15, 2010 18:20:15 GMT
It actually contains the sheet music for Daft Punk's Homework.
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 15, 2010 19:17:13 GMT
What, exactly, are you trying to say TBeholder? Because I'm having trouble figuring it out from all of your snark. (sigh) ...and no way people can learn anything without hearing a Certified Professional TM reading it aloud!.. [...] As a "Certified Professional TM" myself, excuse me? But of course. I just want a clarification. As a teacher, I really find it annoying when my profession is so cavalierly dismissed for whatever reason. If that's not your intention, then my apologies for thinking that way. Nothing personal. As i see it, replacing a random half of the staff with genial saints won't help much. The very premise and structure of a show (let alone context) reliably precludes it from ever being good - like wikiedia. You don't seriously think that beyond the schools' walls lies only Grim Dirt of Medieval Unenlightened Fools? The concept Eddy offhandedly presented us i deem at once stupid, offensive, socialistic and i'm sorry for tautology. ;D Are you surprised that someone snarls back at this? I'd dismiss it as a random cringeworthy drop, if not the sheer amount of dust shaken on this thread from the righteousness of someone-i'm-not-pointing-an-eyestalk-at. At this point it crossed borders of my subjective idea of "funny" an even number of times. Hence the reaction. <lots of freakin words that broke the forum> Edit: also your post was long, dang. 2 mikeymikemikey: see what i meant?
2 everyone who didn't participate in this dull offtopic: sorry for offtopic. Also you're free to find your own links if wikipedia isn't to your liking. They have plenty of sources cited in that article, after all. While we're at it - does wikiedia somewhere plainly tell us whether people die if they are killed? I can't think up an answer on my own and want a link to this. Remember that Annie lives in the same dorm and wing as Kat and still has lock-picking skills (even if Renard has the actual lockpicks). Called it. And they could make a much better lockpick set too. Everyone's freaking out and we hardly know anything! Again, just speculating on the possibility of her cheating and Kat's possible reaction if that turns out to be the case. Not freaking out. This is the background level of indignation. Not freaking out. That's the sad part, of course. what if Annie plans on writing a note in this book, no matter which kind it is, to Kat? S Or it's a journal of "private experiments" (i.e. ether-tech). Jack accidentally inspired an idea, so Annie wants to help Kat and write it down before she forgot, but can't remember a few known details and seeks them in the journal. ...And no one even blushes.
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Post by thor on Nov 15, 2010 19:26:24 GMT
I'd like to point out if Antimony is cheating, and if she is using her brain at all, she should not get caught in this instance.
All she has to do is use the blinker stone to see if there is anyone in the near vicinity.
Actually, with the blinker stone, she could probably read the homework book from the next room if she wanted to.
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Post by hal9000 on Nov 15, 2010 19:48:07 GMT
While we're at it - does wikiedia somewhere plainly tell us whether people die if they are killed? I can't think up an answer on my own and want a link to this. tinyurl.com/2ajdkcyThere, how's that? Edit: Well, presumably she'd be kicked out of classes and her father would be summoned to come and get her. Edit: also, that statement about punishments is extremely dependent on the situation. For a kindergartner, sure, but if you're talking about adults, well, (for instance) pleading guilty in traffic court will generally get you just as bad a fine as if you fight it and lose. If you're in traffic court, you've already been caught doing something. If you walked into the police station and said, "I parked too close to a fire hydrant" they'd tell you to move your car. Innocent until proven guilty should still apply even in traffic court, being caught has nothing to do with it (though at this point I'll admit it is basically just a revenue collection system). Also, if I'd turned myself in for running a red light (since parking violations =! moving violations, and parking violations aren't typically worthy even of traffic court), I'm sure there's a cop out there who'd write me a ticket for it, which would lead to exactly the situation I described.
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Post by Eddy on Nov 15, 2010 20:44:26 GMT
(sigh) ...and no way people can learn anything without hearing a Certified Professional TM reading it aloud!.. ...in a voice other people use to "talk" with puppies, from a pretty stupid textbook they could read on their own. If they weren't taught to read in a way that precludes long reading. Mea culpa. I should have elaborated. Antimony has been shown cheating off Kat a couple times, leading me to think that Annie's a little behind in academics, perhaps because she didn't receive a sufficient education whilst staying at the hospital or wherever else she lived. Mind, Annie's dealt with enough in her life that many others would be a walking wreck of psychological issues, so she might have been given sufficient resources to obtain a good education wherever she was, but was disinclined to take advantage of them because of all of the other stuff she has to deal with (dying mother, sending spirits on to the afterlife, wild parties with psychopomps, etc.). I didn't mean to knock autodidactism, and I think that independent study of a subject of interest is probably one of the better ways to learn, at least for me.
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Post by paxjax123 on Nov 15, 2010 21:03:06 GMT
I just noticed, Kat has a doll. Right below her ball mask. Small details.
EDIT: It would appear there is a mushroom stalking Annie.
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Post by jayne on Nov 15, 2010 21:06:15 GMT
Innocent until proven guilty should still apply even in traffic court, being caught has nothing to do with it (though at this point I'll admit it is basically just a revenue collection system). Also, if I'd turned myself in for running a red light (since parking violations =! moving violations, and parking violations aren't typically worthy even of traffic court), I'm sure there's a cop out there who'd write me a ticket for it, which would lead to exactly the situation I described. You're innocent until proven guilty but they have to have SOME reason to get you to court in the first place. They can't just grab random people without just cause. They can be sued if they do. We're talking about turning yourself in versus getting caught so people who haven't done anything won't be turning themselves in. This is limited to people who have actually done something. Police aren't supposed to give out tickets because you ask for one. Feel free to prove me wrong but what is he supposed to write on the ticket? "He said he was very naughty"
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Post by Zayzie on Nov 15, 2010 21:27:14 GMT
Hmm, I find it interesting that people assume that the people who don't condone cheating think Annie is the anti-christ or something? That was never my intentions, and no I don't think the sky is going to fall down because of it.
Cheating is a common character flaw, and understandable, considering everything Annie's gone through. My assumption that it is cheating is based on her doing it before, and the fact that the homework book looks more like a notebook and less like a planner just has me draw the conclusion that Annie is cheating for her own benefit, like everyone else has pointed out.
Do I think it's the best decision? No. And cheating is a habit that escalates and becomes worse and worse and generally gets tempting. Now some people, admittedly, do not get very bad, but considering Annie has gone from peeking at her paper during a class or assignment, and onto stealing her homework book, I'm assuming it has escalated and may continue to do so.
The best course of action would have been to ask Kat for help. Her choice and course of action, despite what her reasons are though, can be justified by anything, but ultimately is deplorable, academically and in terms of trust.
Annie isn't little miss perfect, we've shown she isn't little miss perfect time and time again, and no matter how innocent people are pointing out her actions may be, there is a lot of evidence pointing to the contrary. It's based on assumptions but very good ones, and if anyone can actually be 100% positive about any situation in this comic I would be surprised. It tends to be vague on purpose, in my opinion. But that means we also get to sit back and think about things and come to our own conclusions, which is something I really enjoy about the comic too.
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Post by bnpederson on Nov 15, 2010 21:33:13 GMT
We have Annie learning about her mother's indiscretions with Reynard, talking to Jack briefly, and now going back to the dorm to presumably cheat off of Kat's homework.
It'll be interesting to see if and how these events tie together.
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