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Post by Max on Sept 24, 2010 7:00:23 GMT
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Post by sz on Sept 24, 2010 7:01:07 GMT
...;_;
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Post by americonedream on Sept 24, 2010 7:02:51 GMT
Elfboy, noooo. Cookies will be given out after an appropriate period of mourning.
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Post by yazzydream on Sept 24, 2010 7:02:55 GMT
BWUUUUUUUUUUH?!
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Post by kinnu on Sept 24, 2010 7:02:56 GMT
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Post by Max on Sept 24, 2010 7:03:27 GMT
Elfboy, noooo. Cookies will be given out after an appropriate period of mourning. But cookies will aid in the mourning. |
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Post by Aurelia Verity on Sept 24, 2010 7:04:58 GMT
i think this picture exactly captures the moment Jeanne's heart breaks. That Poor woman.
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Post by Fhqwhgads on Sept 24, 2010 7:05:03 GMT
...wait what?
so Steadman shot Elfboy and not Jeanne then - is that what I'm seeing here?
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Post by americonedream on Sept 24, 2010 7:06:08 GMT
Elfboy, noooo. Cookies will be given out after an appropriate period of mourning. But cookies will aid in the mourning. This is true. I've never seen cookies at a wake, which is probably the real reason why everyone is crying so much. We're gonna need a lot of cookies for this one. |
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Post by Alexandragon on Sept 24, 2010 7:09:10 GMT
i think this picture exactly captures the moment Jeanne's heart breaks. That Poor woman. Beautiful and always saddest page. I think so too. And she died by shock of that just happened... "She died and we did nothing..." But why she became Guardian of Annan Waters? P.S.: And who was Elfboy? Have anyone here some ideas? |
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Post by Max on Sept 24, 2010 7:10:02 GMT
...wait what? so Steadman shot Elfboy and not Jeanne then - is that what I'm seeing here? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. You can see Elfboy's wake, and I think I can make out his body floundering. By the way, I wish we had his proper name so we could mourn him properly. Same with Guard Robot. But why she became Guardian of Annan Waters? That's the biggest mystery right now. I'm sure this didn't exactly endear her to the court. |
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Post by thereisnosaurus on Sept 24, 2010 7:11:44 GMT
I think there's probably more to it than that. Jeanne doesn't seem the type to die of shock, or a broken heart...
Nor does elfboy (coyote?) seem the type to be killed by a mere arrow
Nor does it explain the techno-magic that splits the waters.
I predict sexy-awesome
Or, well, tragic-awesome
but there'll be awesome in there somewhere
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Post by kinnu on Sept 24, 2010 7:12:15 GMT
i think this picture exactly captures the moment Jeanne's heart breaks. That Poor woman. I think so too. And she died by shock of that just happened... "She died and we did nothing..." But why she became Guardian of Annan Waters? Maybe Jeanne thinks she has to protect his spirit or something, therefore not letting anyone (court or forest) near. |
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Post by americonedream on Sept 24, 2010 7:20:50 GMT
I have a feeling Elfboy might've been somebody very important to the court. If it was some regular, every day guy, Jeanne might not have met him since she seemed to be pretty important herself. Also, Sir Young wouldn't be this aware of it himself. Even Diego refers to him as a traitor, so he must have been somewhat important to the court.
Perhaps there was a fair-sized portion of the court that took the test as well before Elfboy but once he did it, the others took his "betrayal" as the final straw.
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Post by cu on Sept 24, 2010 7:21:30 GMT
But why she became Guardian of Annan Waters? So no innocent Court young lady can be deceived anymore by those fake Gillitians. |
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Post by stephen on Sept 24, 2010 7:32:28 GMT
Jeanne... was bait. Wow. I definitely didn't see this one coming.
The story of the Annan waters was much more complex than we assumed and were let believe by the narrative. Which is perfect, since Jeanne's ghost and the split between forest and court seems to be the central narrative element.
I doubt there are many of us posting in this thread who aren't looking back at chapter 25 again.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 24, 2010 7:36:33 GMT
Jeanne seems to have tossed her sword away. I wonder if that means she's not planning on taking it with her when she escapes, symbolically meaning she's giving up her role as a soldier guarding the Court. Since she's clutching it in death, I suppose that means (unless her body was arranged) that in her grief she takes her sword up again with a vengeance. i think this picture exactly captures the moment Jeanne's heart breaks. That Poor woman. Monday's page will show Jeanne's reaction. That page will probably be much sadder than this page. |
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Post by stephen on Sept 24, 2010 7:39:27 GMT
A thought just occurred to me. Do we know that Steadman, the archer, was carrying out the plan exactly as told? www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=658Perhaps it was /meant/ to be Jeanne hit with the arrow, and Steadman... got creative. I don't know what this would mean as far as the fortifying of the Annan waters, but we never entirely understood how that works anyway. We don't know what that crazy-looking arrow actually does. |
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Post by tal9922 on Sept 24, 2010 7:50:25 GMT
Am I the only one who realized Elfboy was the one who was gonna get shot, rather than Jeanne, the moment he started swimming?
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Post by Tenjen on Sept 24, 2010 8:00:46 GMT
D:
oh and tal, i posted a number of comic pages back [somewhere when he first appeared], predicting that elf was the one to get shot :<
by the last few pages it had already become clear.
The Annan Waters lyrics indicate this as well.
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Post by maestro on Sept 24, 2010 8:02:53 GMT
I think there's probably more to it than that. Jeanne doesn't seem the type to die of shock, or a broken heart... I think she's going to die down there because the court just leaves her down there. That'd explain why they said they'd hide everything they did there tonight as well as Jeanne. It makes a bizarre sort of sense, Jeanne's spirit is going to be mighty ticked off after all that, so perhaps that's why she guards the shore still. Over time she's forgotten everything but her desire for vengeance which has become aimed at, well, everyone and everything that ends up down there. |
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Post by qmarx on Sept 24, 2010 8:22:06 GMT
Boom! Headshot!
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 24, 2010 8:23:32 GMT
Am I the only one who realized Elfboy was the one who was gonna get shot, rather than Jeanne, the moment he started swimming? That's pretty much me as well. The arrow appears to wind up in the water, and from the way Steadman was drawn shooting the arrow into the chasm I was pretty sure that he couldn't even see Jeanne. My alternate theory of Jeanne's astral self/silver cord being sent forth to the Forest to search for her lover, then being cut by the arrow (thus separating her body from soul) became impossible as soon as she saw Green taking to the water. I wasn't 100.00% sure because there could have still been a way to force it... say Green runs into trouble on his own mid-way, and Jeanne sends her astral self to his rescue... in that case the arrow could've still targeted Jeanne indirectly, but that was a, er, longshot. As soon as we know Green can swim the Annan he's pretty much got to be the target else he's going to reach her (even if its after her death), and it was reasonable to think he could cross somehow because otherwise she wouldn't have planned this meeting as an escape. I think there's probably more to it than that. Jeanne doesn't seem the type to die of shock, or a broken heart... I think she's going to die down there because the court just leaves her down there. That'd explain why they said they'd hide everything they did there tonight as well as Jeanne. It makes a bizarre sort of sense, Jeanne's spirit is going to be mighty ticked off after all that, so perhaps that's why she guards the shore still. Over time she's forgotten everything but her desire for vengeance which has become aimed at, well, everyone and everything that ends up down there. Also irrational aggression is a symptom in people who're dying from exposure. Not sure about the headshot because with the breast-stroke you'd think the ribcage would be the best target, and puncturing a lung would mean drowning consistent with the whole Annan Waters song lyrics, but I agree about the boom. We can see the reflection of the arrow heading downward at about 5:00 direction; the two patches of light to the left and right of that suggest to me a bright underwater flash of light. |
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Post by Amethyst on Sept 24, 2010 8:25:44 GMT
Am I the only one who realized Elfboy was the one who was gonna get shot, rather than Jeanne, the moment he started swimming? Nope, I knew it then too. Classic setup: When two lovers run to meet each other, tragedy demands that they never make it to each others' arms. Since the Elf man was the only one moving toward the other, it seemed obvious that he would not reach her. |
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Post by penguinfactory on Sept 24, 2010 9:07:59 GMT
This is the most awesome page ever.
But wait, in the previous flashback weren't we told that Jeanne had been down there for three hours before Steadman fired the arrow? The previous page makes it look like it happened right away.
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Post by blinkerstoned on Sept 24, 2010 9:22:05 GMT
They shot the elf!They shot the elf! *runs around flailing* On another note,I somehow pictured Light Yagami going "Exactly as planned" when this page came out...  It's all his fault.He wrote Elfboy's name in the Death Note.Hoho |
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Post by blinkerstoned on Sept 24, 2010 9:27:59 GMT
But why she became Guardian of Annan Waters? Presumably it is/was her force of will.As we've seen with Martin,when a spirit refuses the aid of a guide,it can't pass on.And in most works of fiction and myths,spirits with unfinished business that die from betrayal or some other traumatic event tend to remain bound to the area they died in,usually bearing a grudge. |
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Post by blinkerstoned on Sept 24, 2010 9:29:08 GMT
This is the most awesome page ever. But wait, in the previous flashback weren't we told that Jeanne had been down there for three hours before Steadman fired the arrow? The previous page makes it look like it happened right away. Artistic license.Tom can't be drawing 10 pages of her sitting there just to depict the 3 hours passing by |
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Post by chelonianmonk on Sept 24, 2010 9:48:40 GMT
But why she became Guardian of Annan Waters? Presumably it is/was her force of will.As we've seen with Martin,when a spirit refuses the aid of a guide,it can't pass on.And in most works of fiction and myths,spirits with unfinished business that die from betrayal or some other traumatic event tend to remain bound to the area they died in,usually bearing a grudge. But is that a reaction the Court could count on? |
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Post by warrl on Sept 24, 2010 9:52:47 GMT
Presumably it is/was her force of will.As we've seen with Martin,when a spirit refuses the aid of a guide,it can't pass on.And in most works of fiction and myths,spirits with unfinished business that die from betrayal or some other traumatic event tend to remain bound to the area they died in,usually bearing a grudge. But is that a reaction the Court could count on? That's the issue. Steadman fired the arrow, and within a minute they assumed Jeanne would never be heard from again - to the point that they could safely remove her from their records and histories. Yet she's still alive down there. We know that the river is swimmable, and accessible from the other side. And it's a safe bet that both sides of the river connect to the rest of the world. For that matter, it's possible (as far as we know) that she could simply walk the length of the gap and then walk back at cliff-top level on the Court side. That arrow had to somehow bind her. |
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