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Post by blinkerstoned on Sept 24, 2010 10:06:48 GMT
But is that a reaction the Court could count on? That's the issue. Steadman fired the arrow, and within a minute they assumed Jeanne would never be heard from again - to the point that they could safely remove her from their records and histories. Yet she's still alive down there. We know that the river is swimmable, and accessible from the other side. And it's a safe bet that both sides of the river connect to the rest of the world. For that matter, it's possible (as far as we know) that she could simply walk the length of the gap and then walk back at cliff-top level on the Court side. That arrow had to somehow bind her. I doubt it's the arrow that's binding her.The arrow was probably designed specifically to be anti-etheric,meaning that Elfboy would die in a single hit. Generally vengeful spirits or troubled ones don't have a very large radius in which they can move about.I propose that Jeanne's area of influence is the river and the banks on both sides.Due to her vengeance,she's been bound to that area.If you watch/read Bleach,you'll get what I mean (spirits that die with very strong negative emotions or unfulfilled desires/goals usually get stuck to a specific person or area)
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Post by dliessmgg on Sept 24, 2010 10:07:18 GMT
But wait, in the previous flashback weren't we told that Jeanne had been down there for three hours before Steadman fired the arrow? The previous page makes it look like it happened right away. Time moves at dream speed, i.e. not linear.
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Post by hal9000 on Sept 24, 2010 10:07:57 GMT
I like the long-exposure effect applied to the arrow here, it makes for a very pretty scene. It reminds me a bit of those MIRV test pictures from the cold war:
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Post by theweatherman on Sept 24, 2010 10:11:51 GMT
You know Deigo, if you had just made your hair go up, Jeanne would probably like you more.
But seriously, woah, and Jeanne must know it was Steadman cos he's the best with a bow and arrow.
SO here's some of my theorys;
1. The arrow made elfboy kind of mind controlled, which would cause him to kill Jeanne for some reason, after the deed is done he realised what he did, positions her body and runs off back to the forest never to be seen again.
2. Jeanne jumps into the water, trying to save her boyfriend, the arrow explodes or otherwise caused Jeanne's death with magic, this kills them both, but the magic causes Jeanne to be a ghost guardian.
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Post by blinkerstoned on Sept 24, 2010 10:24:59 GMT
You know Deigo, if you had just made your hair go up, Jeanne would probably like you more. But seriously, woah, and Jeanne must know it was Steadman cos he's the best with a bow and arrow. SO here's some of my theorys; 1. The arrow made elfboy kind of mind controlled, which would cause him to kill Jeanne for some reason, after the deed is done he realised what he did, positions her body and runs off back to the forest never to be seen again. 2. Jeanne jumps into the water, trying to save her boyfriend, the arrow explodes or otherwise caused Jeanne's death with magic, this kills them both, but the magic causes Jeanne to be a ghost guardian. Theory 1 is more plausible than 2.If it killed them both,then who positioned her body on the shore?
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Post by Per on Sept 24, 2010 10:36:29 GMT
The story of the Annan waters was much more complex than we assumed and were let believe by the narrative. Not to the "we" who follow the forum, since pretty much every possible and impossible explanation is covered here. (I assume something similar is true for the comments.) I'm not really sure how anyone could read chapter 25 and think there was nothing more to know than what was shown, or that it didn't relate in some way to the bigger picture.
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Post by jayne on Sept 24, 2010 10:50:38 GMT
You know Deigo, if you had just made your hair go up, Jeanne would probably like you more. But seriously, woah, and Jeanne must know it was Steadman cos he's the best with a bow and arrow. SO here's some of my theorys; 1. The arrow made elfboy kind of mind controlled, which would cause him to kill Jeanne for some reason, after the deed is done he realised what he did, positions her body and runs off back to the forest never to be seen again. 2. Jeanne jumps into the water, trying to save her boyfriend, the arrow explodes or otherwise caused Jeanne's death with magic, this kills them both, but the magic causes Jeanne to be a ghost guardian. Theory 1 is more plausible than 2.If it killed them both,then who positioned her body on the shore? Eventually, she would have been so tired, she'd sit by the cliff..then lay down... gripping her sword for comfort....then died.
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Post by heranje on Sept 24, 2010 10:59:46 GMT
My guess: Jeanne was sent down there as bait, and Green was in fact the target Steadman was supposed to hit. After they shot Green, the Court left Jeanne down there to die, and she wouldn't have been able to come out of the chasm without help, so she died of hunger/cold/whatever on the shore. Hence "She died and we did nothing". Diego and the robots watched Jeanne wilt in the chasm, but they did nothing. If Jeanne had been killed right away, I don't see how that statement really makes sense, since Diego did do something - he arranged her death. But with her stuck down there and slowly dying, he would have time to regret and second-guess his actions.
Of course, that's just a guess.
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Post by jayne on Sept 24, 2010 11:06:35 GMT
So, did the arrow emit that green light, instead of whistling? It was barely glowing green before but now its a bright light like being in flight made it 'burn' brighter? (Not fire, I just can't think of a better way to say that)
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Post by paxjax123 on Sept 24, 2010 11:25:30 GMT
Theory time. I think the court killed Elfboy to break Jeanne's heart and make her die and kill everyone who tries to go across the waters.
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Post by qmarx on Sept 24, 2010 11:34:04 GMT
Crazy theory: That green light *is* elfboy, and he's being sucked into the arrow
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Post by serendipity on Sept 24, 2010 11:38:04 GMT
Yep, heartbreaking. ;-;
I figured it'd be the elf who got shot. Perhaps tampering with or binding his spirit to the waters made it somehow impassible to etheric beings? I kind of think that the Court didn't outright kill Jeanne, but left her down there to die to cover up for themselves. Jeanne then just gave up and laid down (in that pose) and just let go. I'd say her spirit is there out of anguish and for revenge, or she might very well be just guarding her lover's spirit/resting place.
Something I thought of, though, upon seeing this page. I think Diego had other plans for this. He "gets rid of" the "obstacle" between him and Jeanne, and if he comforts her in her grief, surely, with the elf gone, she'd totally fall in love with him! Really! I wonder, then, if he planned on sending a robot or a rope or something down there to rescue Jeanne and bring her back...but he either chickened out, Jeanne was already dead by the time he got to her, or she refused and spurned his help, if he decided to go through with it.
My question though...he said that she was waiting and alone when she died. What was she waiting for? Was he delusional (Possible, when you look at him shift the blame on his deathbed.) and thought his plan would've worked and she was waiting on him? Or was she waiting to die? Or something else?
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Post by tyler on Sept 24, 2010 12:30:28 GMT
Yeah, she was bait. No, the court didn't shoot the Elf to shock her.
She died down there, though, because she went to join the lover she'd betrayed.
Either that or the Court wouldn't pull her back up.
I'm thinking the first one, though.
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Post by arucard on Sept 24, 2010 12:42:10 GMT
But what about the arrow's shape?
If the goal was to just kill the swimming Elfboy, then there was no need for such a unique arrow.
And I'm pretty sure that it couldn't pierce Elfboy with that weird V-shaped head.
But the ravine is really high, so it could have crushed his ribs...
I still think that the arrow had a different purpose.
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Post by jayne on Sept 24, 2010 12:45:54 GMT
Diego devised a plan that utilizes the power of heartbreak, loss, frustration, and blind rage?
Diego is not a nice man but he had to be very familiar with all that to devise this plan. I don't think he had a good life before all this.... ever... and he lives his whole life in this state... truly truly sad.
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Post by jayne on Sept 24, 2010 12:46:52 GMT
But what about the arrow's shape? If the goal was to just kill the swimming Elfboy, then there was no need for such a unique arrow. And I'm pretty sure that it couldn't pierce Elfboy with that weird V-shaped head. But the ravine is really high, so it could have crushed his ribs... I still think that the arrow had a different purpose. I agree. There's more going on that we don't know of yet.
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Post by aaroncampbell on Sept 24, 2010 13:07:27 GMT
So, did the arrow emit that green light, instead of whistling? It was barely glowing green before but now its a bright light like being in flight made it 'burn' brighter? (Not fire, I just can't think of a better way to say that) I suspect you're right -- instead of noise-making, it is etheric-glow-making. But to what end?
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Post by evantha on Sept 24, 2010 13:15:16 GMT
Yep, heartbreaking. ;-; I figured it'd be the elf who got shot. Perhaps tampering with or binding his spirit to the waters made it somehow impassible to etheric beings? I kind of think that the Court didn't outright kill Jeanne, but left her down there to die to cover up for themselves. Jeanne then just gave up and laid down (in that pose) and just let go. I'd say her spirit is there out of anguish and for revenge, or she might very well be just guarding her lover's spirit/resting place. I like that theory, that would also explain why Jeanne is capable of crossing the river, somehow his souls lets hers cross the river at will but nobody else.
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Post by aaroncampbell on Sept 24, 2010 13:30:11 GMT
i think this picture exactly captures the moment Jeanne's heart breaks. That Poor woman. Beautiful and always saddest page. I think so too. And she died by shock of that just happened... "She died and we did nothing..." But why she became Guardian of Annan Waters? P.S.: And who was Elfboy? Have anyone here some ideas? I just had an idea, actually. In this page, we learned that Steadman was "a close friend of the artilleryman" (emphasis in the original) but we're very conveniently interrupted from finding out who this man was. I believe some have suspected it may be him a few pages ealier, standing next to Sir Young in cell 5. In any event, what if he took the test and defected to the forest? That would certainly contribute to him being considered a traitor. If his skills were anywhere on par with Steadman's, then his leaving would be a great loss to The Court, and they would fear his turning against them. (I suspect he had no such desires, but paranoia is not rational and the early Court separatists seem nothing if not paranoid.) Steadman would probably have taken the betrayal most personally, so had both personal and "duty"-related motives for killing Elftillery (my new name for him under this theory.) Jeanne would have known Elftillery before his defection, and perhaps their relationship started then. He may have taken test first to show her that it was safe, or just took the test out of the strongness of his opinions on the matter. But clearly they both wanted to continue the relationship after he went to the other side, and the Court was not pleased with this. Seem plausible?
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Post by evantha on Sept 24, 2010 13:36:59 GMT
Jeanne would have known Elftillery before his defection, and perhaps their relationship started then. He may have taken test first to show her that it was safe, or just took the test out of the strongness of his opinions on the matter. But clearly they both wanted to continue the relationship after he went to the other side, and the Court was not pleased with this. Seem plausible? I'm quoting from gunnerkrigg's Formspring answers "Couldn't the fairy man have taken the test to become human? That wasn't in place at the time" The test didn't existed at that momment
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Post by reptar on Sept 24, 2010 13:48:16 GMT
Yep, heartbreaking. ;-; I figured it'd be the elf who got shot. Perhaps tampering with or binding his spirit to the waters made it somehow impassible to etheric beings? I kind of think that the Court didn't outright kill Jeanne, but left her down there to die to cover up for themselves. Jeanne then just gave up and laid down (in that pose) and just let go. I'd say her spirit is there out of anguish and for revenge, or she might very well be just guarding her lover's spirit/resting place. I like that theory, that would also explain why Jeanne is capable of crossing the river, somehow his souls lets hers cross the river at will but nobody else. Jeanne isn't restricted to one side of the river.
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Post by evantha on Sept 24, 2010 14:18:33 GMT
I know that's precisely why I'm pointing it out
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Post by rhoffman12 on Sept 24, 2010 14:24:29 GMT
Yeah, she was bait. No, the court didn't shoot the Elf to shock her. She died down there, though, because she went to join the lover she'd betrayed. Either that or the Court wouldn't pull her back up. I'm thinking the first one, though. Tyler, that was my first instinct too, but that still leaves one huge question: who arranges Jeanne's body after she dies? We don't see anyone else down there yet, and she doesn't seem the sort to just lay down and die. Ooh ooh though, what if Diego came for her too late, and it was him? It would have to be someone from the Court, if this really did make the Waters impassible.
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Post by phyzome on Sept 24, 2010 14:30:18 GMT
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Post by Snes on Sept 24, 2010 14:40:49 GMT
zzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZ-thouwp
I think this is the first single-panel page we've seen outside of bonus comics. It looks amazing, Tom!
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Post by q3 on Sept 24, 2010 14:50:40 GMT
Guys, the arrow hasn't been fired yet. The green light is clearly a frickin' laser beam.
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Post by legion on Sept 24, 2010 14:56:31 GMT
D:
The saddest page.
Also the best page.
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Post by zylonbane on Sept 24, 2010 14:58:46 GMT
I'm terrible-- this was my first thought on seeing today's strip: Guys, the arrow hasn't been fired yet. The green light is clearly a frickin' laser beam. TETSUO! KANEDA!
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Post by atteSmythe on Sept 24, 2010 15:14:22 GMT
I also came here to say this.
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Post by jayne on Sept 24, 2010 15:15:53 GMT
Guys, the arrow hasn't been fired yet. The green light is clearly a frickin' laser beam. AHA! And in the next scene, a gigantic magical cat will pounce on the laser pointer and accidentally squish Greenguy! I'm way old, is anyone familiar with Kitten Kong? ;D
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