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Post by Casey on Sept 23, 2009 6:54:34 GMT
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Post by Yin on Sept 23, 2009 6:54:58 GMT
Snap! okay, you win.
Kinda reinforces Jack's observation... not good, that.
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Post by zingbat on Sept 23, 2009 6:56:38 GMT
Okay, I counted this time: 33 seconds between the time I saw the new page and the time I saw this thread go up! And to contribute something comic-related to the discussion, it's cute how Annie makes the blinker stone say not just "Hello" or something random, but "Hello Kat." Awww, Kat's her buddy. (Kat's a sweetie, too. She's a good friend.)
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Post by Casey on Sept 23, 2009 6:58:42 GMT
I promise I won't make a regular habit of it Yin. I just happened to be up.
In other news... I can't wait to see what John's going to say on Friday. His hesitation is going to hopefully give us some insight, finally, into what other people really think of Annie. Is he hesitant because he thinks she's stuck up (a common mistake people make about shy people), or is it because most kids think of her as a bit of a celebrity (either due to her own exploits, or due to being the daughter of Surma) or do they really just not like her?
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Post by noako on Sept 23, 2009 6:58:53 GMT
Oh no. John, I thought you were cool.
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Post by kastia on Sept 23, 2009 6:59:40 GMT
Ooooh, I spot some really interesting character development on the horizon!
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Post by King Mir on Sept 23, 2009 7:01:27 GMT
The comic is number 621.
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Post by Casey on Sept 23, 2009 7:02:20 GMT
Or is John himself just shy?
I can't think of anything that Annie has done to deserve a reputation as being unsocial, other than just simply being unsocial. She's never snubbed anyone, she's never failed to converse with someone that started talking to her, she wasn't a big downer at the Power Station outing, she's not a brainiac like Kat who alienated people for being a "teacher's pet" in their eyes (beginning of Ch 18)... so what reason would the other kids have to think she's not okay?
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Post by kefka on Sept 23, 2009 7:03:05 GMT
See? I told you Jack was saying the truth. Casey: The other kids probably hang out together, while Annie and Kat have been on their own forever.
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Post by Casey on Sept 23, 2009 7:04:23 GMT
See? I told you Jack was saying the truth. A bit early for that assessment, don't you think? Why don't we wait until we find out WHY John is hesitant before we conclude that?
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Post by mudmaniac on Sept 23, 2009 7:04:52 GMT
pity she does not have her pair of wire strippers to threaten John.
Or does she?
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Post by eightyfour on Sept 23, 2009 7:05:11 GMT
I wonder if we're going to find out now that someone's been spreading lies about Annie. After Jack's grin on monday I wouldn't put it past him.
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Post by Casey on Sept 23, 2009 7:06:19 GMT
I wonder if we're going to find out now that someone's been spreading lies about Annie. After Jack's grin on monday I wouldn't put it past him. Hmm, I am surprised that I hadn't thought of that before. No one's mentioned that possibility until you just now. Nice theory.
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Post by King Mir on Sept 23, 2009 7:10:02 GMT
Annie's message isn't mirrored. I would have expected it to be, since she's writing for herself to see only.
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Post by Casey on Sept 23, 2009 7:10:28 GMT
Maybe John is hesitant to talk to Annie because he has a crush on her.
AnnieXJack shippers unite!*urk* *strangles self*
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Post by Casey on Sept 23, 2009 7:15:15 GMT
ALLRIGHT, LISTEN UP PEOPLE! I am going to make a Gunnerkrigg Wager! I wager one piece of sucky Gunnerkrigg art, hand drawn by me, that -if- Annie does go do "the fire thing" again, someone around the fire will ask her to stay with them. If Annie doesn't do "the fire thing", all bets are off. If you take the bet and no one asks her to stay by the fire by the end of the chapter, you will (each) get one sucky piece of hand-drawn GC art from me. If someone -does- ask her to stay, then each person who takes the bet will have to draw -me- a hand-drawn piece of GC art. I don't care if it's sucky as long as it's as good as you can do. No intentionally sucky art. Who wants to take this wager?
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Post by eightyfour on Sept 23, 2009 7:15:15 GMT
so what reason would the other kids have to think she's not okay? There's plenty of reasons: "Weird stuff" happens when she is around. Brought a real life Minotaur to class. Has a pet wolf that "attacks" people on her command. She broke school rules and got detention for it. Fell off the bridge but returned with barely a scratch. Is taken away in the middle of a class by a strange teacher. Hangs out with older kids. Is best friend to the "teacher's pet" you mentioned. That's only what I can think of at the top of my head, I'm sure there's more examples. Add to that her precocious style, and you've got more than enough material to alienate the other kids. That said, I'm gonna stick with my "spreading lies" theory.
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Post by yazzydream on Sept 23, 2009 7:15:37 GMT
I made a comment on the page, but I'll repeat it here. It's really probable that people are just intimidated by her. She's sorta got this aura of... solitude and untouchable ness. Some of the kids may even like her but don't know how to approach her.
Kat's wonderful by the way. I adore her.
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Post by pepoluan on Sept 23, 2009 7:20:04 GMT
Kat is like a girlfriend I once had...
Ferocious, stands up for her friends...
We all miss her ;_;
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Post by Casey on Sept 23, 2009 7:24:09 GMT
so what reason would the other kids have to think she's not okay? There's plenty of reasons: "Weird stuff" happens when she is around. I don't see how that would make her someone they shouldn't hang around or consider to be an okay kid. Uhh, no she doesn't. Because she's never commanded him to attack anyone, and furthermore, we have no evidence that any of the other kids has ever seen Rey. Didn't you notice how she pushed him around the corner last chapter when Jack called out to her? In my book that would make her MORE interesting and cool to hand out with. Okay, that is one for the "celebrity" category... I mentioned above the possibility that they thinks she is too cool to hang out with -them-, and not vice versa. Maybe. I don't see that being a reason to outcast her. Again maybe it goes to the "celebrity" theory. No, she has -a class- with older kids. However, that class is Medium training, and again that might go towards the "celebrity" theory. That's a possibility. I'm not sure what you mean by precocious style. Can you give me a link to where she displayed a precocious style in front of the other kids and they reacted poorly to it? WOW All the quotes in one reply... I feel like TBeholder!
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Post by Casey on Sept 23, 2009 7:29:56 GMT
I should mention that in the part about people seeing Rey I'm not counting the hecklers from S1. Rey did not attack them, only chased them off, and more to the point, those older kids are not the ones we're talking about here. I'm referring to her classmates, so that scene is irrelevant.
Just thought I'd head that off in case someone thought of that.
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Post by Casey on Sept 23, 2009 7:37:21 GMT
In closing: I have probably written too much in this thread already. It's late, and I'm nervous about a math placement test I have to take tomorrow (pay attention in school kids, you never know when you're going to need it again!) So I -do- think that the other kids probably think Annie is a little unapproachable because her deeds and encounters make her seem like The Golden Child. She's training to be the next medium, she got to go to Gillitie Forest and interact with a minor deity, she fell into the ravine and lived, and she can even conjure magical fire at will. She would seem like a very worldly and important person if I were her classmate. But... notice how they react to her in panel 7 of this page when she gives them that magical fire. Smiles. Appreciation. "Thanks!" To me, those aren't the reactions that people would have if they thought she was an Ice Queen. Whatever they may think of her celebrity status, I do not believe that they think poorly of her personally. That's what I believe and why I believe it. And now I'm going to go to bed and dream of polynomial and quadratic equations. Pity me.
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Post by ecomono on Sept 23, 2009 7:39:14 GMT
These past couple pages have reminded my brain of that stray comment Tom made when this chapter was starting.
I hope that isn't a bad sign.
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Post by cloverdose on Sept 23, 2009 7:44:40 GMT
These past couple pages have reminded my brain of that stray comment Tom made when this chapter was starting. I hope that isn't a bad sign. Agreed. Though honestly, my worries are more for Janet at this point. It appears to have been a full day with no apparent sign of her.
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Post by kefka on Sept 23, 2009 8:19:38 GMT
But... notice how they react to her in panel 7 of this page when she gives them that magical fire. Smiles. Appreciation. "Thanks!" To me, those aren't the reactions that people would have if they thought she was an Ice Queen. Whatever they may think of her celebrity status, I do not believe that they think poorly of her personally. And notice how they look at her in the first panel of that same page. It's not what she's done, it's what she HASN'T done. She spent the whole 1st year with Kat, which isn't that popular herself (they only invited her to the station because they needed her). The other kids know practically nothing about her, so it's not that strange that there may be some rumors going on about her, like "She thinks she's better than us, that's why she doesn't talk to us" or whatever. Just look at her in this chapter, she's isolating herself from the other kids, staying in her tent, only Kat stays with her (and I bet Kat would like to be with the others). I guess she'll try to be more sociable from now on, for Kat's sake too, so this shouldn't be a major problem.
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Post by hal9000 on Sept 23, 2009 8:28:40 GMT
I don't see how that would make her someone they shouldn't hang around or consider to be an okay kid. Most people fear the unknown and the weird, so for that reason alone, people would probably be apprehensive of approaching someone who has weird shit happen to them all the time. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=407I'll admit 'scare them away' isn't necessarily an attack command, but the minutiae of this may have been lost on the kids who were subject to it. I can only imagine that this would have led to rumors. Point taken. I was looking for examples of this, and I noticed that there aren't all that many examples of her interacting with her classmates. The fact that she doesn't really have much contact with them (apparently) could contribute to the problem. But, one example is here: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=241The way she tests her theory is a bit odd and a bit outside social norms, to say the least. Most people, even if they did harbor a curiosity about the matter, would not think to resolve it by lifting someone by his shirt. In fact, in a lot of places, to do so would be considered an unacceptable breach of the other person's personal space.
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Post by eightyfour on Sept 23, 2009 9:21:40 GMT
I should mention that in the part about people seeing Rey I'm not counting the hecklers from S1. Rey did not attack them, only chased them off, and more to the point, those older kids are not the ones we're talking about here. I'm referring to her classmates, so that scene is irrelevant. I disagree. "Do you know that red-headed girl from QN? She has this really big pet wolf and she totally sicked it on us!" We, the readers, know that Annie never has and never would sent Rey after anybody, in order to hurt them, but that is what I consider irrelevant. Relevant in this context is only what other characters in the comic think she does. Some Kids have seen Rey, and not in a friendly manner. Rumors have the habit of spreading, and they rarely are accurate.
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Post by bisected8 on Sept 23, 2009 9:43:58 GMT
There's plenty of reasons: "Weird stuff" happens when she is around. I don't see how that would make her someone they shouldn't hang around or consider to be an okay kid. Uhh, no she doesn't. Because she's never commanded him to attack anyone, and furthermore, we have no evidence that any of the other kids has ever seen Rey. Didn't you notice how she pushed him around the corner last chapter when Jack called out to her? In my book that would make her MORE interesting and cool to hand out with. Okay, that is one for the "celebrity" category... I mentioned above the possibility that they thinks she is too cool to hang out with -them-, and not vice versa. Maybe. I don't see that being a reason to outcast her. Again maybe it goes to the "celebrity" theory. No, she has -a class- with older kids. However, that class is Medium training, and again that might go towards the "celebrity" theory. That's a possibility. I'm not sure what you mean by precocious style. Can you give me a link to where she displayed a precocious style in front of the other kids and they reacted poorly to it? WOW All the quotes in one reply... I feel like TBeholder! Remember; everything that could make her a celebrity will make her stand out. In school, that can always go either way.
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Post by pepoluan on Sept 23, 2009 9:50:07 GMT
Whatever they may think of her celebrity status, I do not believe that they think poorly of her personally. I think you nailed it on the head, Casey. She's a celebrity, and mortals usually feel inadequate to speak directly with a celeb. So, they usually talk through the manager/PR, which in Annie's case is Kat. And when said celeb actually bestow something on the mortals... They will respond with utmost gratification and awe... And totally forgot to ask said celeb to join them. :: In closing: I have probably written too much in this thread already. It's late, and I'm nervous about a math placement test I have to take tomorrow (pay attention in school kids, you never know when you're going to need it again! ... And now I'm going to go to bed and dream of polynomial and quadratic equations. Pity me. Good luck, Casey! And do tell us how the polynomials turn out
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Post by jon77 on Sept 23, 2009 10:10:38 GMT
Remember; everything that could make her a celebrity will make her stand out. In school, that can always go either way. In schools at this age there is a lot of peer pressure to conform to the group, not to stand out, and especially not to appear to be seeking approval from authority figures. Ok, it's been a while since I was in school at that age, but I still think that's a fairly safe thing to say. I think all of Annie's exceptional experiences will tend to isolate her from other students. Couple that with her natural reticence, and she will be a bit of an outsider. I don't think it bothers her that much, except she's now thinking that it might be isolating Kat as well. That does bother her.
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