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Post by pepoluan on Aug 24, 2009 8:34:10 GMT
Wow, pep, you really hit on everyone! Well, Yin, just like you've made it your life's mission to open new threads, I've made it my life's mission to pounce and devour greet and welcome newcomers to the forum ;D Seriously, though, pep. The pink font sort of gives you away. Give what away? Welcome, Msosb! No one is too new to be snarky to pep. You're just envious because I can wear pink proudly ;D Anyways... oh, you've posted in the Introduction Thread, I see... okay, so I won't pounce greet you again
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Post by cnthelogos on Aug 24, 2009 8:35:45 GMT
Wow, pep, you really hit on everyone! No one's hit on me. Not that I blame you, I'm just saying. Anyhow, I was looking back over the replies and noticed I'm not the only one who thinks our heroines having gorged themselves on possibly etheric fruit is... omnious. There's mythological precedent for bad things happening to people who do that sort of thing. As for Bob and Eglamore not caring; well, going back to Occam's Razor probably implies that there's nothing to be terribly concerned about, but a lone fruit bearing tree in the middle of a very pretty room that is actually for decontamination sets my significance sensors a-tingling. I think they'd know if it were anything on the level of eating the fruit of the underworld, but I wouldn't be surprised if something were to come of it.
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Post by Yin on Aug 24, 2009 8:38:33 GMT
Who said anything about it being my life's mission? It's called punctuality. (I've gotta be punctual in some aspect of my life.)
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Post by pepoluan on Aug 24, 2009 8:48:36 GMT
No one's hit on me. Not that I blame you, I'm just saying. Whoa, I missed one! Weeeeelllcomeeeeee to the Fooooooorrrruuuuummmmmmmm...And don't forget to share juicy stories about yourself in the Introduction Thread Ohhhh, how I love greeting new people ;D
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Post by somnium on Aug 24, 2009 8:55:23 GMT
I think some of you have missed the point of Occam's Razor.
Bob looks different because he was drawn that way. End of story.
Besides, he doesn't really look different, just more detailed. His jaw line has changed, but that's really all we saw of him before (other than his hat which is basically the same). No need to nit-pick.
Technically you missed me too, though I already posted my stuff in the Introduction Thread...
See, Pepoluan doesn't hit on everyone.
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Post by Yin on Aug 24, 2009 8:56:25 GMT
He will have eventually.
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Post by jimbobbowilly on Aug 24, 2009 9:19:02 GMT
(first panel)
Cheshire Kat?
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Post by CameoAppearance on Aug 24, 2009 9:54:16 GMT
Bob's speech bubble colour changed too. It was greyish blue the first two times, but now it's unremarkable-NPC white. (White in the flashback panel too, for that matter.)
Could this be some sort of Impostor-Bob?!
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Post by idonotlikepeas on Aug 24, 2009 11:56:18 GMT
Nah, see, he'd been shaving with Occam's Razor, which is why his chin looked different before...
Anyway, while you guys are right about the general intent of Occam's Razor, the usual wording of it is "Do not multiply entities unnecessarily". That is to say, don't assume more actors than you need to explain what's going on. Which makes it especially appropriate in this case; you have one becapped gardener called Bob in an earlier chapter and another becapped gardener called Bob in a later chapter, so assuming there are two of them adds an unnecessary extra entity...
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Post by zoe on Aug 24, 2009 12:11:53 GMT
Kat's thoughts in panel one: HE'S TOUCHING MY HEAD HE'S TOUCHING MY HEEEEAAADDDD
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Post by pepoluan on Aug 24, 2009 12:13:13 GMT
Technically you missed me too, though I already posted my stuff in the Introduction Thread... See, Pepoluan doesn't hit on everyone. I don't hit on people already posting in the Introduction thread
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Post by Per on Aug 24, 2009 12:28:31 GMT
Anyway, while you guys are right about the general intent of Occam's Razor, the usual wording of it is "Do not multiply entities unnecessarily". That is to say, don't assume more actors than you need to explain what's going on. Which makes it especially appropriate in this case; you have one becapped gardener called Bob in an earlier chapter and another becapped gardener called Bob in a later chapter, so assuming there are two of them adds an unnecessary extra entity... Another common way to state Oc/c/k/h/am's Razor is "don't make unnecessary assumptions". If the question is "Why does Bob look different?", then for instance "He sat in an age transference machine" is too wild, while on the other hand, we already know that "Tom's art style evolved, e.g. Eglamore looks younger." But if instead we pose the question as "Why does Bob look older while Eglamore looks younger?", then the explanation "Tom's art style evolved in uhhh two entirely different directions" is obviously completely arbitrary, while "They got into an age transference machine together and transferred age" makes perfect sense and therefore cannot fail to be the solution.
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Post by Casey on Aug 24, 2009 13:15:08 GMT
Here, I'm going to toss a monkey wrench just to give you all something to think about.
From a certain point of view, Occam's Razor in this case could be applied thusly:
"Why does Bob look different?" was the question. Introducing as few other elements as possible to the sentence, the simplest answer is actually "Because he is different."
Chew on THAT!
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Post by jon77 on Aug 24, 2009 14:24:48 GMT
Here, I'm going to toss a monkey wrench just to give you all something to think about. From a certain point of view, Occam's Razor in this case could be applied thusly: "Why does Bob look different?" was the question. Introducing as few other elements as possible to the sentence, the simplest answer is actually "Because he is different." Chew on THAT! Wouldn't we introduce one less element by assuming that Bob hasn't changed at all, and we just got some dirt on our eyeballs while juggling them?
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Post by Per on Aug 24, 2009 14:36:22 GMT
As Herakleitos tells us, you can't put the same character twice in the same comic.
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Post by Casey on Aug 24, 2009 14:42:16 GMT
Here, I'm going to toss a monkey wrench just to give you all something to think about. From a certain point of view, Occam's Razor in this case could be applied thusly: "Why does Bob look different?" was the question. Introducing as few other elements as possible to the sentence, the simplest answer is actually "Because he is different." Chew on THAT! Wouldn't we introduce one less element by assuming that Bob hasn't changed at all, and we just got some dirt on our eyeballs while juggling them? No. If the question is what it is, to wit: "Why does Bob look different", then the answer that intriduces the fewest multipliers (namely, zero) would be "because Bob IS different". I'm not saying I believe that to be true. I'm just presenting this as an interesting point in seeing just how effective Occam's Razor really is.
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Post by the bandit on Aug 24, 2009 15:06:16 GMT
As Herakleitos tells us, you can't put the same character twice in the same comic. Win.
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Post by sz on Aug 24, 2009 15:09:18 GMT
Maybe there is a family of court gardeners named Bobs. The Bob we are seeing could be Bob Sr. and the Bob we saw at the Coyote episode could have been Bob Jr.
Or maybe Bob was just being proper and all propped up himself so he'd appear younger and more presentable at the meeting. I mean, a being who can change local geography showed up. You'd want to look nice. :d
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Post by Casey on Aug 24, 2009 15:21:25 GMT
I'm sure the real reason he looks a little different is simply because Tom is drawing him a little differently. That would be the simplest plausible answer.
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Post by sz on Aug 24, 2009 15:27:02 GMT
That's all possible and such, but Bob's age seems to be a deliberate visual trait.
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Post by mjh on Aug 24, 2009 15:35:43 GMT
Which makes it especially appropriate in this case; you have one becapped gardener called Bob in an earlier chapter and another becapped gardener called Bob in a later chapter, so assuming there are two of them adds an unnecessary extra entity... Which reminds me of an old song by The Colorblind James Experience: My baby was talking in her sleep She said, "Bob?" I said, "What?" She said, "Bob?" I said, "I'm Bob!" She said, "No. I mean a different Bob" (The Colorblind James Experience: “A Different Bob” www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RFj47Vnj9c)
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Post by fuzzyone on Aug 24, 2009 18:14:00 GMT
My theory is thus: The girls don't really remember him because one, he was directly backlit by the artificial sun, which made his features indistinct. Several people have also insisted that the cherries they were eating were Alcoholic. Whether or not that is the case, the girls were clearly not in their best minds when they encountered him. When we actually saw the first detail of his face, IE Fangs of Summertime, My guess is that Tom hadn't yet decided that Bob should be as advanced of age as he is.
I think we've found what would upset people in this chapter: Bob looks different.
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Post by Casey on Aug 24, 2009 18:43:14 GMT
I don't know... do you think people would get upset over that? I think there was MUCH more uproar about "Anja calling Surma Anny"... I put that in quotes because of course she didn't... some people might not remember that little affair if they're new to the forums.
Anyway I knew who Bob was the moment I saw him in this chapter, and my first thought was "oh, Tom's refined the look for this character." I really hope that THAT isn't the big thing that everyone's supposed to be all upset about.
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Post by the bandit on Aug 24, 2009 20:30:21 GMT
1st paragraph: That's not a theory, fuzzy. Them's the facts.
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Post by Jiminiminy on Aug 24, 2009 20:37:07 GMT
I'm sure the real reason he looks a little different is simply because Tom is drawing him a little differently. That would be the simplest plausible answer. In my experience, people generally have more difficulty believing the probable than the impossible. Also, my word, I just realized that I look almost identical to Bob as far as facial features go. I should wear that hat of mine more often.
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Post by Miri on Aug 24, 2009 20:54:52 GMT
Also, my word, I just realized that I look almost identical to Bob as far as facial features go. I should wear that hat of mine more often. Get together the jacket/shirt/pants and put pictures up for us, will ya? Ah, classic Tom. This comic just screams: "You were all right. Except those of you that insisted on making things complicated. Which was most of you." I must say I'm loving the art in this chapter. That's been my pet explanation for the Bob Differential: more natural lighting than has ever before been seen in the comic.
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Post by Jiminiminy on Aug 24, 2009 22:27:19 GMT
Unfortunately, I don't have the jacket. Or a functioning camera/webcam/scanner/any image saving thing. If I did, I'd certainly share the picture with you, but at the moment, imagine Bob with slightly longer eyebrows and without wrinkles. Thinner nose too, and that's pretty much what I look like nowadays.
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Post by pepoluan on Aug 24, 2009 22:53:37 GMT
imagine Bob with slightly longer eyebrows and without wrinkles. *Gasp* Smittybob! Behold, the power of the eyebrows!
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Post by warrl on Aug 24, 2009 23:11:38 GMT
No one's hit on me. Not that I blame you, I'm just saying. Well, I'll take care of... um... hit on you... nevermind. walks away whistling, trying to hide large hammer(first panel) Cheshire Kat? walks toward jimbob, shifting hammer
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 25, 2009 3:54:56 GMT
Why does Bob look different? Occam's Razor. Oh. He shaved? And Bob just made a friend. I think Annie thinks he's covering for her, that he knows more was happening than "just snooping around". Looks like "he's one of us" or something now. Okay everyone these days does know what Occam's Razor is, right? It does nothing on itself. It's a sharp tool. Some use it. Some cut themselves with it (creating "i don't see a groundhog => there are no groundhogs" and other ephemeral solipsisms). Diego tried to use it as a lawnmower, but lasers were better suited. After they removed it from lawnmowing duties, Bob shaves with it. He's that cool. Kat looks INCREDIBLY pleased to be the object of Egger's attention. That face is kinda creepy, eek. Isn't this her usual state? 'member her meeting with Muut? And especially around "uncle James", unless she suffers some other crush right now. Ah. Exactly! And I guess Bob really does look different now, or Annie and Kat would recognize him...maybe he was disguised? He stood against the light. Also, as ye see from the lower left panel they weren't eager to remember details, in given circumstances. It's Occam's razor. Bob borrowed it. To shave.
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