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Post by blahzor on Aug 30, 2022 8:10:28 GMT
Re-reading chapter 41 and the seraph robots explain that Robot was papercliped because he was spreading rumors of a angel www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1143Did we ever figure out how long before the paper clipping he was doing this? Like before even meeting Kat maybe? |
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Post by pyradonis on Aug 30, 2022 10:28:32 GMT
Re-reading chapter 41 and the seraph robots explain that Robot was papercliped because he was spreading rumors of a angel www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1143Did we ever figure out how long before the paper clipping he was doing this? Like before even meeting Kat maybe? Definitely before meeting Kat, because he only met her after being paperclipped. |
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Post by blahzor on Aug 30, 2022 16:40:22 GMT
Re-reading chapter 41 and the seraph robots explain that Robot was papercliped because he was spreading rumors of a angel www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1143Did we ever figure out how long before the paper clipping he was doing this? Like before even meeting Kat maybe? Definitely before meeting Kat, because he only met her after being paperclipped. so further supporting that Robot all this time has known things well in advance and was instructed by Alt timeline Kat who set off this loop so that Annie lives |
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Post by bedinsis on Sept 7, 2022 21:28:38 GMT
On page #2294 Idra claimed a beard suited Eglamore. That is probably the reason he started actively growing a beard; I don't think he has been clean-shaved since then. |
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Post by atteSmythe on Sept 8, 2022 2:25:25 GMT
so further supporting that Robot all this time has known things well in advance and was instructed by Alt timeline Kat who set off this loop so that Annie lives Or that a broken clock is right twice a day |
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 8, 2022 12:17:16 GMT
Definitely before meeting Kat, because he only met her after being paperclipped. so further supporting that Robot all this time has known things well in advance and was instructed by Alt timeline Kat who set off this loop so that Annie lives Or that he simply decided Kat had to be the angel he had been waiting for in his delusion.
If Kat had given him instructions before, she'd just have told him "don't go into the Forest". No robot in the Forest -> no possession by a shadow person -> no Annie falling from the bridge.
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Post by blahzor on Sept 8, 2022 14:43:12 GMT
so further supporting that Robot all this time has known things well in advance and was instructed by Alt timeline Kat who set off this loop so that Annie lives Or that he simply decided Kat had to be the angel he had been waiting for in his delusion. If Kat had given him instructions before, she'd just have told him "don't go into the Forest". No robot in the Forest -> no possession by a shadow person -> no Annie falling from the bridge.
I think that would have been the 1st iterration of Alt-Kat's time manipulation and had to learn the hard way Robot MUST go there for her to change anything timewise that effects her life |
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Post by drmemory on Sept 8, 2022 15:57:00 GMT
End of chapter 22. Poster says "VISIT THE STARS". Seems more significant now that we know about the Star Ocean! The thingie behind Kat looks pretty star-like also, with bright lights on a figure that seems to have tentacles.
A couple of other things on that page I'm not sure have been fully explained:
Renard has Annie's symbol on him, fine. But why does Ysengrin have the Bismuth symbol on him?
What are the antler-looking shadow things on the building on the left, next to the shadow figure?
And earlier in that same chapter, we see one of the bound dogs (tree dogs) destroyed by the previous Dragon Slayer, and a couple of shadows scurrying off into the court. This is when Surma and Anja and the gang were in school. Are those Shadow 2's parents? 
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Post by blahzor on Sept 9, 2022 1:36:51 GMT
End of chapter 22. Poster says "VISIT THE STARS". Seems more significant now that we know about the Star Ocean! The thingie behind Kat looks pretty star-like also, with bright lights on a figure that seems to have tentacles. A couple of other things on that page I'm not sure have been fully explained: Renard has Annie's symbol on him, fine. But why does Ysengrin have the Bismuth symbol on him? What are the antler-looking shadow things on the building on the left, next to the shadow figure? And earlier in that same chapter, we see one of the bound dogs (tree dogs) destroyed by the previous Dragon Slayer, and a couple of shadows scurrying off into the court. This is when Surma and Anja and the gang were in school. Are those Shadow 2's parents? everyone except Coyote has a symbol next to their head in that one (including Coyote if you count the sun one but it's too far away for me to pair it up) |
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Post by drmemory on Sept 9, 2022 16:33:32 GMT
End of chapter 22. Poster says "VISIT THE STARS". Seems more significant now that we know about the Star Ocean! The thingie behind Kat looks pretty star-like also, with bright lights on a figure that seems to have tentacles. A couple of other things on that page I'm not sure have been fully explained: Renard has Annie's symbol on him, fine. But why does Ysengrin have the Bismuth symbol on him? What are the antler-looking shadow things on the building on the left, next to the shadow figure? And earlier in that same chapter, we see one of the bound dogs (tree dogs) destroyed by the previous Dragon Slayer, and a couple of shadows scurrying off into the court. This is when Surma and Anja and the gang were in school. Are those Shadow 2's parents? everyone except Coyote has a symbol next to their head in that one (including Coyote if you count the sun one but it's too far away for me to pair it up) Yes, totally agree. I'm just puzzled by Ysengrin getting Bismuth. I don't really think of the angry wolf-tree as having anything to do with the origin of the Court. We even know that he didn't arrive until later, with Coyote and Renard.
Actually, now that you say that, I could see the antler-looking shadow thing next to the shadow dude in the building being his symbol. I don't know what it means but that does make sense.
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Post by saardvark on Sept 9, 2022 17:22:16 GMT
End of chapter 22. Poster says "VISIT THE STARS". Seems more significant now that we know about the Star Ocean! The thingie behind Kat looks pretty star-like also, with bright lights on a figure that seems to have tentacles.
A couple of other things on that page I'm not sure have been fully explained:
Renard has Annie's symbol on him, fine. But why does Ysengrin have the Bismuth symbol on him?
What are the antler-looking shadow things on the building on the left, next to the shadow figure?
And earlier in that same chapter, we see one of the bound dogs (tree dogs) destroyed by the previous Dragon Slayer, and a couple of shadows scurrying off into the court. This is when Surma and Anja and the gang were in school. Are those Shadow 2's parents?
and what about the stone figurine on the ground next to the sword behind Kat, Jones perhaps? (Looks like that famous Stoneage Venus figurine!) |
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 10, 2022 12:58:22 GMT
I could see the antler-looking shadow thing next to the shadow dude in the building being his symbol. It makes me constantly think of Cube Escape. |
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Post by therationaldove on Sept 12, 2022 17:59:37 GMT
I don't know if anyone has pointed this out yet, but I was rereading From the Forest She Came, and Lindsay mentions on this page that she has a PhD in structural engineering and one of the facts on the bonus page is that part of Lindsay's brain "exists in a different dimension". It's interesting how these seemingly throwaway lines were actually hints as to her function in the Court and her origins respectively. Also, I was looking over this treatise page again and I am curious if the chain that wraps around Kat is a reference to the Court's plan, as the chain is attached to the star on one end and the moon (which looks like a planet) on the other. |
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Post by Per on Sept 12, 2022 18:56:45 GMT
I don't know if anyone has pointed this out yet, but I was rereading From the Forest She Came, and <a href=https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=863> Lindsay mentions on this page that she has a PhD in structural engineering</a> and one of the facts on the <a href=https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=867> bonus page</a> is that part of Lindsay's brain "exists in a different dimension". It's interesting how these seemingly throwaway lines were actually hints as to her function in the Court and her origins respectively. I interpret(ed) the brain thing to be something like the AIs in the Culture books that have their substance in hyperspace or something, rather than anything to do with the general spacewarpiness of the Court. |
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Post by Runningflame on Oct 4, 2022 4:33:03 GMT
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Post by alevice on Oct 5, 2022 13:45:40 GMT
It looks like Licor del 43 to me, which is strongish but its usually more sweet than anything . |
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Post by bedinsis on Oct 11, 2022 21:26:28 GMT
The other day I tried googling for "Ayilu" since that's what Red named Ayilu, when hiding that she said " I love you" and it sounded like it could be from somewhere else. One of the first hits I got was from this website which claims that it is from the Indian language Kannada and means: 1) [noun] wild or violent mental disorder, as the manic phase of manic-depressive psychosis, characterised gen. by abnormal excitability, exaggerated feelings of well-being, flight of ideas, excessive activity, etc.; mania. 2) [noun] the fact or state of being obsessed with an idea, desire, emotion, etc. without rationalism. Description 1 fits fairly well with the newly named Ayilu's behaviour immediately post naming; description 2 fits fairly well with her longing for Red's affections. It was a search with a low amount of hits, and that website seems to be someone's personal so I am doubtful of its veracity. But if intentional, it would be fitting. Ayilu even looks like she could be Indian. If anyone knows Kannada I would be interested in knowing more. It wouldn't surprise me if the word can be spelt different ways when transcribed to the Latin alphabet. EDIT: ...and if I had actually read the appropriate discussion thread I would've noticed that speedwell already made that observation. Until proven otherwise, probably on Monday, I choose to believe... Ayilu truly loves her name but is angry that Red didn't affirm her love, thus the conflicting emotions/signals in the last panel. I guess the Kannada meaning of the name is also appropriate, then  *grumble-grumble-always-beaten-to-the-punch-grumble-grumble* |
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Post by jda on Oct 12, 2022 7:44:30 GMT
The other day I tried googling for "Ayilu" since that's what Red named Ayilu, when hiding that she said " I love you" and it sounded like it could be from somewhere else. One of the first hits I got was from this website which claims that it is from the Indian language Kannada and means: 1) [noun] wild or violent mental disorder, as the manic phase of manic-depressive psychosis, characterised gen. by abnormal excitability, exaggerated feelings of well-being, flight of ideas, excessive activity, etc.; mania. 2) [noun] the fact or state of being obsessed with an idea, desire, emotion, etc. without rationalism. Description 1 fits fairly well with the newly named Ayilu's behaviour immediately post naming; description 2 fits fairly well with her longing for Red's affections. It was a search with a low amount of hits, and that website seems to be someone's personal so I am doubtful of its veracity. But if intentional, it would be fitting. Ayilu even looks like she could be Indian. If anyone knows Kannada I would be interested in knowing more. It wouldn't surprise me if the word can be spelt different ways when transcribed to the Latin alphabet. Sounds to me like a typical recursive prank set by Tom. By accident. |
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Post by speedwell on Oct 12, 2022 16:46:29 GMT
The other day I tried googling for "Ayilu" since that's what Red named Ayilu, when hiding that she said " I love you" and it sounded like it could be from somewhere else. One of the first hits I got was from this website which claims that it is from the Indian language Kannada and means: 1) [noun] wild or violent mental disorder, as the manic phase of manic-depressive psychosis, characterised gen. by abnormal excitability, exaggerated feelings of well-being, flight of ideas, excessive activity, etc.; mania. 2) [noun] the fact or state of being obsessed with an idea, desire, emotion, etc. without rationalism. Description 1 fits fairly well with the newly named Ayilu's behaviour immediately post naming; description 2 fits fairly well with her longing for Red's affections. It was a search with a low amount of hits, and that website seems to be someone's personal so I am doubtful of its veracity. But if intentional, it would be fitting. Ayilu even looks like she could be Indian. If anyone knows Kannada I would be interested in knowing more. It wouldn't surprise me if the word can be spelt different ways when transcribed to the Latin alphabet. Sounds to me like a typical recursive prank set by Tom. By accident. It could have been intentional. It's unremarkable, these days in the so-called British Isles (where of course Tom is from, and also in Houston, where I'm from) to know someone from any given part of the Indian subcontinent. Kannada is a registered (official) language in India, spoken in the district (Karnataka) of which Bangalore is the capital. It is easy to turn to a friend or colleague and ask, for example, "Hey, Mandeep, I'm creating a character for my webcomic and she's a bit of a wild one, emotionally speaking. I'm not coming up with a name I like - what would be a good name for someone like that in your first language?". If on my friend's list appeared the name "Ayilu", and my brain connected the sound of it to "I love you", the rest of the episode would more or less write itself, haha. Do not underestimate the value to a writer in "shooting a hole in a fence and painting a target around it", as they say. Not to say that there was any lack whatsoever of creativity or humour in the arc - I loved every eyebrow-raising, dorky minute of it 😁 And not to be racist or anything - just pointing this out - if you do a Google image search on the phrase "Bangalore woman", you will see pages of photos of beautiful dark ladies with long black hair who resemble Ayilu quite strongly. |
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Post by arf on Oct 13, 2022 10:41:06 GMT
End of chapter 22. Poster says "VISIT THE STARS". Seems more significant now that we know about the Star Ocean! The thingie behind Kat looks pretty star-like also, with bright lights on a figure that seems to have tentacles. A couple of other things on that page I'm not sure have been fully explained: Renard has Annie's symbol on him, fine. But why does Ysengrin have the Bismuth symbol on him? What are the antler-looking shadow things on the building on the left, next to the shadow figure? And earlier in that same chapter, we see one of the bound dogs (tree dogs) destroyed by the previous Dragon Slayer, and a couple of shadows scurrying off into the court. This is when Surma and Anja and the gang were in school. Are those Shadow 2's parents? I think it significant that the bismuth symbol is placed right on Ysengrin's missing ear. Did the Court have something to do with that? |
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Post by speedwell on Oct 13, 2022 15:40:16 GMT
End of chapter 22. Poster says "VISIT THE STARS". Seems more significant now that we know about the Star Ocean! The thingie behind Kat looks pretty star-like also, with bright lights on a figure that seems to have tentacles. A couple of other things on that page I'm not sure have been fully explained: Renard has Annie's symbol on him, fine. But why does Ysengrin have the Bismuth symbol on him? What are the antler-looking shadow things on the building on the left, next to the shadow figure? And earlier in that same chapter, we see one of the bound dogs (tree dogs) destroyed by the previous Dragon Slayer, and a couple of shadows scurrying off into the court. This is when Surma and Anja and the gang were in school. Are those Shadow 2's parents? I think it significant that the bismuth symbol is placed right on Ysengrin's missing ear. Did the Court have something to do with that? My reading is that since Coyote removed his memory of what actually happened, he blames the Court (particularly if that sort of blame suits Coyote's manipulations). But it's more likely that the Bismuth symbol simply represents his binding into the body of a Court machine. We've all been leaning towards the "Jerrek manifests Ysengrin" view of things even more than "Jerrek manifests Coyote", I think. |
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Post by rabbit on Oct 13, 2022 19:46:26 GMT
Or the Celtic god Cernunnos? I could see the antler-looking shadow thing next to the shadow dude in the building being his symbol. It makes me constantly think of Cube Escape. |
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Post by pyradonis on Oct 14, 2022 10:26:01 GMT
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Post by bedinsis on Oct 22, 2022 7:40:02 GMT
The other day I tried googling for "Ayilu" since that's what Red named Ayilu, when hiding that she said " I love you" and it sounded like it could be from somewhere else. One of the first hits I got was from this website which claims that it is from the Indian language Kannada and means: 1) [noun] wild or violent mental disorder, as the manic phase of manic-depressive psychosis, characterised gen. by abnormal excitability, exaggerated feelings of well-being, flight of ideas, excessive activity, etc.; mania. 2) [noun] the fact or state of being obsessed with an idea, desire, emotion, etc. without rationalism. Description 1 fits fairly well with the newly named Ayilu's behaviour immediately post naming; description 2 fits fairly well with her longing for Red's affections. It was a search with a low amount of hits, and that website seems to be someone's personal so I am doubtful of its veracity. But if intentional, it would be fitting. Ayilu even looks like she could be Indian. If anyone knows Kannada I would be interested in knowing more. It wouldn't surprise me if the word can be spelt different ways when transcribed to the Latin alphabet. EDIT: ...and if I had actually read the appropriate discussion thread I would've noticed that speedwell already made that observation. I guess the Kannada meaning of the name is also appropriate, then *grumble-grumble-always-beaten-to-the-punch-grumble-grumble* Update on this: I missed that Annie suggested the nickname "Ilu" as short for Ayilu, which gets more hits when you search for it(and was the page that prompted speedwell to point out that it had a meaning in Kannada). Apparently it means "attachment" or "control". Attachment seems like an appropriate meaning. At this point I am convinced that it was intentional. In particular when I visit the (to me) more trustworthy wiktionary site which says that "ayilu" means "bewilderment" and "ilu" means "attachment". Both appropriate words to describe the character. |
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 23, 2022 17:46:56 GMT
That page still cracks me up. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2200The dynamic scene, that is. Parley and Idra just stand and watch with the same “whoa, look at her go” expression, while pieces of wisps fly in their direction. But also, when Annie lights up, one wisp leans away from her. |
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Post by speedwell on Nov 23, 2022 18:43:47 GMT
That page still cracks me up. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2200The dynamic scene, that is. Parley and Idra just stand and watch with the same “whoa, look at her go” expression, while pieces of wisps fly in their direction. But also, when Annie lights up, one wisp leans away from her. Jesus, too right you are. I might need to take back what I said about Annie not being capable of ultra-violence, haha. |
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 24, 2022 6:10:52 GMT
In #2211 Anthony’s new hand (or stump) needs manual care. Because somehow it’s easier to make a pseudo-flesh robot hand than add a built-in dispenser/tap for whatever-it-is. Uh-huh. He opted out (on the grounds of testing features one by one, perhaps), didn’t he? It would be like him, to approach in a roundabout way something he cannot go about in a straightforward way. Maybe doubles as assisted self-flagellation, too.
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 24, 2022 16:34:33 GMT
In #2211 Anthony’s new hand (or stump) needs manual care. Because somehow it’s easier to make a pseudo-flesh robot hand than add a built-in dispenser/tap for whatever-it-is. Uh-huh. He opted out (on the grounds of testing features one by one, perhaps), didn’t he? It would be like him, to approach in a roundabout way something he cannot go about in a straightforward way. Maybe doubles as assisted self-flagellation, too. They're just some antibiotics, injected at regular intervals for a short time after initially applying the prosthetic. Having someone inject them by hand seems entirely reasonable to me! And remember, the whole point of this project was to imitate the functions of an actual, biological human hand as closely as possible, which means also accepting some inherent flaws as well, such as being " self-healing, but overall weaker" and requiring some extra care and maintenance (especially when it's very new and doesn't have a lot of muscle or immune response built up yet). |
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Post by drmemory on Dec 7, 2022 7:01:01 GMT
Did we ever find out how Shadow 2 got back in the court? A shadow man took over Robot and controlled him, trying to kill Annie, but Eglamore took care of that when he sliced up Robot and the shadow man. Where was Shadow 2 in all this? We later see him in the court, with no comment or explanation. I can't believe Eglamore would have allowed him to enter if he saw him, and he couldn't cross the bridge without someone providing shade! |
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Post by jda on Dec 7, 2022 8:05:38 GMT
Did we ever find out how Shadow 2 got back in the court? A shadow man took over Robot and controlled him, trying to kill Annie, but Eglamore took care of that when he sliced up Robot and the shadow man. Where was Shadow 2 in all this? We later see him in the court, with no comment or explanation. I can't believe Eglamore would have allowed him to enter if he saw him, and he couldn't cross the bridge without someone providing shade! I understand that (our) Shadow was conceived and born in the Court. I dont remember the page, where he said that he does not hate the Court, he has lived all his live there. |
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