[2993] "Her spirit is gone."

[imaginaryfriend]

And this means... what, exactly? Bugsy doesn't look surprised or upset. Is Lavender not dead? Has she just astral-travelled somewhere else? Or maybe Bugsy didn't know that these bodies she and her students have can die?

I'm guessing the last one since Lavender probably isn't breathing and doesn't have a pulse. [edit] We saw Kat check her. [/edit]

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[dramastix]

It feels like we're missing a page? This is quite a jump from Kat's last question.

[yellowb]

Man, she stupid.

[blauelf]

Or maybe it doesn't matter to her. If I remember correctly, the whole suicide fairy thing was the court's idea, they are merely following their destination.

[aggadahGothic]

Sept 11, 2024 7:47:40 GMT dramastix said:

It feels like we're missing a page? This is quite a jump from Kat's last question.

Agreed. This seems like a non-sequitor; the second page I have thought as much of in this chapter.

[puntino]

It shouldn't really matter to her. Being "drained" by the court is the exact way in which the students got there, to begin with. This is just another step on the journey.

Sept 11, 2024 7:49:12 GMT yellowb said:

Man, she stupid.

Annie could be talking to a literal rock, for all we know.

[hoob]

Charitably, Bugsy here is management who's failed upwards and has no real sense of what the organization she works for does or what it means because she's kept in the dark. She's just happy to have her name and her job. She's proficient in the ether and teaching, but knows nothing about how they interact or how it can be exploited.

Less charitably, she knows what the court does but feels less complicit because she's at arm's length from the mechanism doing the harm and hasn't looked into the ramifications of what she does for the court.

[morrahadesigns]

Hey now, let's give Bugsy her due. Last time when people were saying something was wrong all she wanted to do was go back to sleep. At least she's listening this time. (This is tongue in cheek by the way)

[imaginaryfriend]

Unless Bugsy's about to say something game-changing like, "Oh no, I hope she can remember her way back from the school infirmary, they really should change our respawn point now that we've moved," I'm thinking Bugsy et al have been criminally miseducated.

Sept 11, 2024 8:10:36 GMT blauelf said:

Or maybe it doesn't matter to her. If I remember correctly, the whole suicide fairy thing was the court's idea, they are merely following their destination.

I wonder if it's the previous generation's Court's idea as (mis)managed by the present-day Court.

[csj]

[ctso74]

Either she doesn't understand what's happening, we don't understand what's happening, or her idea of death is very different than ours. The latter would be interesting.
Or Bugsy is ice-cold to the bone. Who knows how many fairy-prison tats she has.

[arf]

Tom has admitted he's got the page sequence wrong, today's page should supposedly begin with 'um, well'

(I don't think this glitch is quite as spectacular as Lindsay's mistimed leap in "Torn Sea")

[Gemini Jim]

EDIT: I'd really like to know what the thing before "anything else strange" was. That might explain why Bugsy is acting like a bigger ditz than usual.


It sounds like she fundamentally misunderstands what Annie is saying, or that she doesn't understand death in the human way.


"Her spirit's gone!" "Oh, I feel that way sometimes, too. I watch Three Stooges films when that happens."



=

Paging Dr. McCoy....


"It's worse than that. She's dead, Bugsy!"

[pyradonis]

Sept 11, 2024 14:39:30 GMT arf said:

Tom has admitted he's got the page sequence wrong, today's page should supposedly begin with 'um, well'

(I don't think this glitch is quite as spectacular as Lindsay's mistimed leap in "Torn Sea")

Where did he say this? And is there a reason why he can't fix it?

Sept 11, 2024 8:10:36 GMT blauelf said:

Or maybe it doesn't matter to her. If I remember correctly, the whole suicide fairy thing was the court's idea, they are merely following their destination.

They were promised names and jobs as a reward for their number crunching while in school. "Fading into oblivion" seems to clash with this goal.

[imaginaryfriend]

Sept 11, 2024 16:41:30 GMT pyradonis said:

Sept 11, 2024 14:39:30 GMT arf said:

Tom has admitted he's got the page sequence wrong, today's page should supposedly begin with 'um, well'

(I don't think this glitch is quite as spectacular as Lindsay's mistimed leap in "Torn Sea")

Where did he say this? And is there a reason why he can't fix it?

I made a reply to arf asking the same question and if I needed to change the number in the thread title because I don't use the thing to which people post messages what has recently changed its name, and therefore can't see anything Mr. Siddell has posted there... and my post is gone like it never existed. I think Proboards may have nuked it?

[laaaa]

Sept 11, 2024 11:10:14 GMT puntino said:

Sept 11, 2024 7:49:12 GMT yellowb said:

Man, she stupid.

Annie could be talking to a literal rock, for all we know.

You made me laugh out loud, bless you!

[aggadahGothic]

Sept 11, 2024 16:41:30 GMT pyradonis said:

Sept 11, 2024 14:39:30 GMT arf said:

Tom has admitted he's got the page sequence wrong, today's page should supposedly begin with 'um, well'

(I don't think this glitch is quite as spectacular as Lindsay's mistimed leap in "Torn Sea")

Where did he say this? And is there a reason why he can't fix it?

Per his Twitter account: "I auto-scheduled the wrong page. Now it is the right one. It should start with "Um, well" (you may need to refresh or clear your browser cache if you see a different one) Sorry about that!"

I myself do not see the updated page even upon clearing my cache, and so either he has made a mistake or there is some caching issue happening further up the line. (Coincidentally, the latter has seemingly been plaguing Homestuck (the sequel) lately.)

[gpvos]

I'm also still seeing the same page as this morning (starting with "Didn't you notice"), after applying all refreshing methods known to man.

[aggadahGothic]

Sept 11, 2024 20:16:49 GMT aggadahGothic said:

... or there is some caching issue happening further up the line. ...

An update from that blighted land:
"the incorrect page is still showing because the site has to cache images for longer than usual to avoid strange overseas scraping bots. Hoping to get it rectified ASAP."

[TBeholder]

Sept 11, 2024 12:23:57 GMT morrahadesigns said:

Hey now, let's give Bugsy her due. Last time when people were saying something was wrong all she wanted to do was go back to sleep.

And it turned out she was right.

[imaginaryfriend]

I've changed the comic # in the thread title to 2993 to reflect the change which will be made (probably sooner than later).

[arf]

Sorry, I should have mentioned where I saw Tom had posted about the wrong page. Of course, many are no longer using ex Twitter, so the source isn't as obvious.

Despite Musk, I'm still finding ex-Twitter useful, and tolerable, from using 'Control Panel for Twitter' a Firefox add-on that filters out the ads and algorithmic gibberish. Restores the icon as well.

[Sky Schemer]

Sept 11, 2024 15:51:00 GMT Gemini Jim said:

or that she doesn't understand death in the human way.

This is my take.

[silicondream]

Sept 11, 2024 8:10:36 GMT blauelf said:

Or maybe it doesn't matter to her. If I remember correctly, the whole suicide fairy thing was the court's idea, they are merely following their destination.

Not quite.  Only animals are allowed to commit suicide-by-Coyote in order to enter the Court, and we don't know who established that rule.  It was Ysengrin's idea (according to Coyote) to require that humans abandon their bodies in order to enter the Forest, so maybe he also suggested the requirement in the other direction, given that he sees would-be Forest emigrants as "traitors."  Or maybe the Court suggested it, as a security measure so that Shadow People and other threats couldn't sneak in using the bodies of the immigrants.  In general, though, the Forest is far more hardline on "no baseline humans" than the Court is on "no etherics."

The spiritual "hollowness" of the fairies, which allows them to transition to the Court upon death without Coyote's help, is (also according to Coyote) somehow due to the will of the Court.  However, it's considered "cheating" for a fairy to actually commit suicide, which suggests that the Court expects them to live out their natural lives in the Forest before transitioning.  (In this way, the Court is kind of like the traditional Christian Heaven as far as the fairies are concerned--they all want to end up there, but suicide is a disqualifier, so they seek martyrdom instead.)

Perhaps the Court engineered (or asked Coyote to engineer) the hollow fairies as data collection devices, who would regularly enter the Court with a lifetime's worth of knowledge about the current Forest.  Or maybe the Court just morally disapproves of suicide.

[Runningflame]

Sept 11, 2024 7:49:12 GMT yellowb said:

Man, she stupid.

Possibly more ignorant than stupid. As Red said, "Alls I know is what dey tells me" (which didn't include such crucial information as that you can cut your hair, but don't cut your fingers). Any seemingly obvious things that Bugsy doesn't know, I'm inclined to blame on the Court neglecting to tell her.

... Though it does also seem that she's not the sharpest knife in the drawer (those who can't do, teach  ).

[imaginaryfriend]

Sept 11, 2024 21:40:27 GMT arf said:

Despite Musk, I'm still finding ex-Twitter useful, and tolerable, from using 'Control Panel for Twitter' a Firefox add-on that filters out the ads and algorithmic gibberish. Restores the icon as well.

It's not a political thing for me, I just checked it out when it was new and decided it would eat too much of my time, so I resolved to not make an account. I wasn't naming it because I think Proboards deleted a post I made for some reason related to that name... Or at least that's the only reason I can think of for why it'd get gone. (Shrug)

[Gemminie]

Completely ignoring Kat's question about showing her the work Bugsy was supposedly teaching the students to do for the Court, Annie asks her if she noticed anything else strange. She didn't. So Annies takes her to the other classroom and shows her the dead girl, telling her that the Court's draining their Ether and that this girl's spirit is gone. Bugsy really seems not to understand. Is she really that dull? Will she finally get it? Or is there something more sinister behind this? Did the Court drain her of Ether long ago? Tom's comment: "Get it while you can (sleep)." (Maybe Bugsy is actually still asleep.)

[pyradonis]

Sept 12, 2024 14:23:38 GMT Gemminie said:

Completely ignoring Kat's question about showing her the work Bugsy was supposedly teaching the students to do for the Court, Annie asks her if she noticed anything else strange. She didn't. So Annies takes her to the other classroom and shows her the dead girl, telling her that the Court's draining their Ether and that this girl's spirit is gone. Bugsy really seems not to understand. Is she really that dull? Will she finally get it? Or is there something more sinister behind this? Did the Court drain her of Ether long ago? Tom's comment: "Get it while you can (sleep)." (Maybe Bugsy is actually still asleep.)

I think this time you should wait with your analysis; the page sequence is wrong.

[imaginaryfriend]

Looks like everything's straightened out. Permlinks are going to the correct comic and thread titles have correct numbers and logue.

[arf]

And this means...
either something sinister, or Bugsy is as clueless as she is incurious.