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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 9, 2024 7:06:13 GMT
I mean, my dad was kinda crappy and your parents are your parents... but if she tried to kidnap my bff... |
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Post by arf on Aug 9, 2024 7:31:58 GMT
... Paz would never forgive me!
This situation has shades of the 'sophon' particles from the Three Body Problem.
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Post by blahzor on Aug 9, 2024 9:54:43 GMT
Annie the proxy girlfriend
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Post by stef1987 on Aug 9, 2024 12:35:24 GMT
Ok, I see Annie more as a villain now than Omega. :/
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Post by ctso74 on Aug 9, 2024 13:37:18 GMT
That last panel is Tom just throwing profile avatars at us.
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Post by blahzor on Aug 9, 2024 13:44:45 GMT
That last panel is Tom just throwing profile avatars at us. panel 1, 5, 7 |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Aug 9, 2024 15:55:40 GMT
Panel 7 is basically Kat describing the "Unspoken Plan Guarantee" from TV Tropes. If so, we the audience can't be allowed to know about the plan, either!  Which leaves the problem of how do they discuss the plan without Meg learning about it. Maybe passing written notes to each other? Unless Kat can invent a spy-proof box. I kinda expect that the solution will involve being as unpredictable as possible, which Annie has done quite a lot of, but not necessarily on purpose... |
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Post by Runningflame on Aug 9, 2024 18:57:12 GMT
You tell 'em, Annie! Nobody kidnaps your main babe if you have anything to say about it! |
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Post by Gemminie on Aug 9, 2024 19:48:06 GMT
Now that Annie's explained what happened immediately prior to her sudden appearance in Kat's workshop, Kat returns to the subject of Omega, confirming that Omega can do everything that the "Omega Device" has always done. Apparently she can see and hear everything that everyone says and does. Although I thought that wasn't the case anymore? But maybe it's still true to a limited degree.
Annie says something that could be loaded with meaning: "every time we think of someone who can help, she beats us to them!" Umm, how many times has this happened? I thought it was just Tony, and now Don and Anja. So she's tried others? Or not?
Kat wonders why Omega didn't come for her. Well, there are only a few possibilities. Either she didn't consider Kat a threat, as she doesn't know about these secret places, or she did consider her a threat but considered the outcome of getting her to be worse (i.e. being set on fire). Annie demonstrates the degree of fury that would ensue if Omega kidnapped Kat. She then suggests to Renard the idea of luring Omega out into the open so as to zap her, but Kat points out that now that they've said that, Omega would be expecting it.
Annie and Renard then share a mutual frowny face.
Umm ... Annie and Renard, you are capable of speaking to each other in a way that Omega has no way to listen in on ...
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Post by exquisitecorpus on Aug 9, 2024 21:10:36 GMT
There has to be a reason Omega isn't kidnapping Kat. She has centuries of observable data on human behavior that would make her a formidable predictor of human behavior, even if she isn't privy to motivation, only causality. Just because she's not 100% infallible doesn't mean she's stupid. Kat should be an easy target for her. Kat's also a formidable opponent, potentially. So why isn't she targeting Kat? Also—Omega has demonstrated in the past that she can't observe Annie directly, as Annie is a confounding variable who exists in her blind spots. So perhaps Kat is a known, observable variable Omega correctly assumes Annie would want to stick close to, thus a means for Omega to observe Annie's moves indirectly? (She talks here about how she can see the indirect effects of blind spots on known areas—"the effect the water has on the land.") The other plausible explanation is Kat's apotheosis renders her unobservable to Omega where otherwise she would be observable. But then she could have contrived to nab Kat too at this moment. Which she didn't. "I'll be watching you!" |
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Post by drmemory on Aug 9, 2024 21:39:31 GMT
Annie is like an online strategy gamer with her mike always on. Not the best at strategy...
Also, possibly not in the right. Omega's motives are clear - she wants to keep the bubble going so the court can succeed in their plans, because they help a lot of people.
Annie, on the other hand, wants to stop her, but it isn't that clear as to WHY, other than her unproven assertion that "Zimmy is miserable".
I know Annie is our beloved protagonist, but if she is in the right this time, it is due to sheer luck, or maybe plot armor. It isn't justified. We don't even have any reason to suspect that Omega is doing anything bad with her nerd collection - like mistreating them or anything. This may finally be a case where Annie's actions hurt more people than they help.
If Omega finds out the court is knowingly doing something bad in her investigation into secret court places that she needs the nerd squad to reach, I would bet that she will change sides.
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Post by drmemory on Aug 9, 2024 21:42:57 GMT
There has to be a reason Omega isn't kidnapping Kat. She has centuries of observable data on human behavior that would make her a formidable predictor of human behavior, even if she isn't privy to motivation, only causality. Just because she's not 100% infallible doesn't mean she's stupid. Kat should be an easy target for her. Kat's also a formidable opponent, potentially. So why isn't she targeting Kat? Also—Omega has demonstrated in the past that she can't observe Annie directly, as Annie is a confounding variable who exists in her blind spots. So perhaps Kat is a known, observable variable Omega correctly assumes Annie would want to stick close to, thus a means for Omega to observe Annie's moves indirectly? (She talks here about how she can see the indirect effects of blind spots on known areas—"the effect the water has on the land.") The other plausible explanation is Kat's apotheosis renders her unobservable to Omega where otherwise she would be observable. But then she could have contrived to nab Kat too at this moment. Which she didn't. "I'll be watching you!"I think you're on the right path there. Omega isn't kidnapping Kat because she simply does not need to! She can observe Kat just fine, unlike Annie, and Kat doesn't have access to mysterious internal court sites (unlike the parents she snagged).
Not only that, but if she can see Kat remotely, as I believe, she may well be able to watch Annie as well as long as they stay together, as you suggest.
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Post by yellowb on Aug 9, 2024 21:48:15 GMT
There has to be a reason Omega isn't kidnapping Kat. She has centuries of observable data on human behavior that would make her a formidable predictor of human behavior, even if she isn't privy to motivation, only causality. Just because she's not 100% infallible doesn't mean she's stupid. Kat should be an easy target for her. So why isn't she targeting Kat? Also--Omega has shown in the past that she CAN'T observe Annie directly, as Annie's a confounding variable who exists in her blind spots. So perhaps Kat is a known, observable variable Omega knows Annie would want to stick close to, thus a means for Omega to observe Annie's moves indirectly? (She talks here about how she can see the indirect effects of blind spots on known areas—"the effect the water has on land.") The other question is whether or not Kat's apotheosis might have rendered her unobservable to Omega where before she was observable. "I'll be watching you!"Kat just learned that you can move within the distortion by thinking about someone. Perhaps that's why? On the other hand, Anthony knows it, too (or should know it). Perhaps only people who are sensitive enough to the ether can do it alone? But that only raises more questions... |
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Post by tibert on Aug 9, 2024 22:34:22 GMT
She can observe Kat just fine, unlike Annie, and Kat doesn't have access to mysterious internal court sites (unlike the parents she snagged).
There's this one but perhaps Omega doesn't know enough about it to be interested. ("So she has a computer, and maybe some kind of 3D-printers, stowed away. Big deal!")
****
This page's confirmation, that Annie is protective of Kat more than she would be of anyone else, is an occasion I will seize to share a similarity I noticed little time ago between the last panels of this page and this page. It made me ponder that Annie met Kat not much time after Surma's death, so Kat came at a time when Annie had a void to fill. |
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Post by wombat on Aug 9, 2024 23:29:33 GMT
The page I'm reminded of is this one. Bonus, fake!Kat shows up directly after. (Also, I was initially surprised no one else had brought up that page, but then I went to it and realized it was from almost 16 years ago, so... fair.) |
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Post by aggadahGothic on Aug 10, 2024 8:33:49 GMT
Who might Omega kidnap next? Does anyone recall where Andrew and Parley are at the moment? They seem rather relevant given all the prognostication and teleportation, but the last I remember of either was Chapter 82, before the distortion even began. EDIT: With the index as reference: Parley - last seen in Chapter 85.
Where is everyone?
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Post by blahzor on Aug 10, 2024 8:59:44 GMT
Who might Omega kidnap next? Does anyone recall where Andrew and Parley are at the moment? They seem rather relevant given all the prognostication and teleportation, but the last I remember of either was Chapter 82, before the distortion even began. Meg tries kidnap Jones and Jones doesn't budge Smitty's power might prevent her from taking him and/or George |
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Post by aggadahGothic on Aug 10, 2024 10:07:45 GMT
Who might Omega kidnap next? Does anyone recall where Andrew and Parley are at the moment? They seem rather relevant given all the prognostication and teleportation, but the last I remember of either was Chapter 82, before the distortion even began. Meg tries kidnap Jones and Jones doesn't budge Smitty's power might prevent her from taking him and/or George Perhaps the only thing that can defeat a 'walking, talking computer' is a walking, talking rock. |
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Post by silicondream on Aug 10, 2024 10:49:13 GMT
There has to be a reason Omega isn't kidnapping Kat. She has centuries of observable data on human behavior that would make her a formidable predictor of human behavior, even if she isn't privy to motivation, only causality. Just because she's not 100% infallible doesn't mean she's stupid. Kat should be an easy target for her. Kat's also a formidable opponent, potentially. So why isn't she targeting Kat? Three more potential reasons: 1. Kat is a highly valued Court asset--probably more highly valued than her parents or Tony, at this point--but is also unusually willing to criticize or oppose Court policies. She is also worshipped by an entire race of people who used to manage most of the Court's technological infrastructure and could probably cause a great deal of trouble if they decided to sabotage Court operations. So Omega has reasons to avoid drastic actions that might turn Kat or the New People permanently hostile. Whatever happens with the distortion, she'd probably like Kat to retain some loyalty to the Court in the end. 2. Omega may expect Kat to act in the Court's best interest if left alone. Not that Kat would approve of making Zimmy suffer, of course, but if she finds that the distortion is benefitting a lot of people, she'll probably try to find a way to perpetuate those benefits while still helping Zimmy. Maybe she can transfer the distortion's power to come solely from Coyote and Loup, or use that matter-sculpting tech to stabilize the recreated Forest even after the distortion collapses, or something. 3. Omega's current advantage over Kat is informational. She knows almost everything about almost everything and Kat knows nothing about her. Given Kat's absurd sciencing skills and new cyber-powers and all, that could change very quickly if they interacted face to face. It's best for Omega to keep her distance for as long as possible. |
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Post by silicondream on Aug 10, 2024 10:50:30 GMT
Who might Omega kidnap next? Does anyone recall where Andrew and Parley are at the moment? They seem rather relevant given all the prognostication and teleportation, but the last I remember of either was Chapter 82, before the distortion even began. Meg tries kidnap Jones and Jones doesn't budge Loup moved Jones just fine. Her mass doesn't seem much greater than a normal human's, even if she sinks in water. |
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Post by crater on Aug 10, 2024 15:11:49 GMT
that was crazy... you know annie could fking kill you? she could kill all of us. I think sometimes we forget that's a fire elemental
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Post by blahzor on Aug 10, 2024 17:25:25 GMT
Meg tries kidnap Jones and Jones doesn't budge Loup moved Jones just fine. Her mass doesn't seem much greater than a normal human's, even if she sinks in water. then she just remembers the begining of the earth and you're out of here Meg |
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Post by Hatredman on Aug 10, 2024 21:28:22 GMT
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Post by silicondream on Aug 11, 2024 4:57:42 GMT
Loup moved Jones just fine. Her mass doesn't seem much greater than a normal human's, even if she sinks in water. then she just remembers the begining of the earth and you're out of here Meg And then everyone in the distortion dies horribly in the Hadean eon. Who knows whether Jones' memories would have the same impact on the distortion, though. They might need to be more emotionally-laden than she's capable of. |
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Post by Cori on Aug 11, 2024 8:07:36 GMT
Loup moved Jones just fine. Her mass doesn't seem much greater than a normal human's, even if she sinks in water.
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Post by blahzor on Aug 11, 2024 15:29:46 GMT
then she just remembers the begining of the earth and you're out of here Meg And then everyone in the distortion dies horribly in the Hadean eon. Who knows whether Jones' memories would have the same impact on the distortion, though. They might need to be more emotionally-laden than she's capable of. well it might since Meg was using other people's memories to get around. she'll probably try and trick Jones into thinking about the location and Jones outsmarting em |
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Post by eyemyself on Aug 11, 2024 17:18:30 GMT
She can observe Kat just fine, unlike Annie, and Kat doesn't have access to mysterious internal court sites (unlike the parents she snagged). There's this one but perhaps Omega doesn't know enough about it to be interested. ("So she has a computer, and maybe some kind of 3D-printers, stowed away. Big deal!") **** This page's confirmation, that Annie is protective of Kat more than she would be of anyone else, is an occasion I will seize to share a similarity I noticed little time ago between the last panels of this page and this page. It made me ponder that Annie met Kat not much time after Surma's death, so Kat came at a time when Annie had a void to fill. Hmmmm, your points here have me wondering if maybe Kat is Annie’s secret crush. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2122 |
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 11, 2024 20:31:07 GMT
The page I'm reminded of is this one. Bonus, fake!Kat shows up directly after. Quite possibly, another identity mix-up. Omega can see the world, which includes looking at you from outside. Well, Zeta can see the world through your eyes. And even she is far from immune to misinterpretation. |
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Post by mturtle7 on Aug 11, 2024 22:38:52 GMT
Who might Omega kidnap next? Does anyone recall where Andrew and Parley are at the moment? They seem rather relevant given all the prognostication and teleportation, but the last I remember of either was Chapter 82, before the distortion even began. Meg tries kidnap Jones and Jones doesn't budge Smitty's power might prevent her from taking him and/or George My headcanon until proven otherwise:
Jones was filling out some paperwork in her office when the distortion's event horizon hit her.
Spidery, undead, nightmare monsters immediately filled the room, biting, and screeching and snarling.
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Post by pyradonis on Aug 12, 2024 15:39:07 GMT
Now that Annie's explained what happened immediately prior to her sudden appearance in Kat's workshop, Kat returns to the subject of Omega, confirming that Omega can do everything that the "Omega Device" has always done. Apparently she can see and hear everything that everyone says and does. Although I thought that wasn't the case anymore? But maybe it's still true to a limited degree. I'd say she sees enough so that if you want to oppose her you should assume she sees everything in the physical world, just to be sure.
I know Annie is our beloved protagonist, but if she is in the right this time, it is due to sheer luck, or maybe plot armor. It isn't justified. We don't even have any reason to suspect that Omega is doing anything bad with her nerd collection - like mistreating them or anything. This may finally be a case where Annie's actions hurt more people than they help. Uhm...kidnapping people without mistreating them is still kidnapping people. |
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