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Post by blackmantha on Jul 3, 2023 7:25:20 GMT
Everything according to planThough assuming this is another one of Coyote's prerecorded messages, what's the point of this one? Breed paranoia?
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Post by arf on Jul 3, 2023 7:39:40 GMT
How does one tell when Coyote starts to glitch, as I think he's about to do?
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Post by philman on Jul 3, 2023 7:57:41 GMT
The problem with pre-recorded predictions is that they can make you look a bit silly when they don't come true
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Post by laaaa on Jul 3, 2023 8:00:57 GMT
It took me a good few seconds of staring at the page in dumb disbelief until I realized that Coyote DIDN'T actually predict Loup's relationship with Lana would happen.
I guess he will be overjoyed when he realizes that.
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Post by gpvos on Jul 3, 2023 8:32:32 GMT
Coyote also weirdly assumes Annie would fall in love with Loup.
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Post by jda on Jul 3, 2023 8:36:31 GMT
Coyote also weirdly assumes Annie would fall in love with Loup. No, Coyote assumes Annie would not want to kill the Ysengrin part of Loup. |
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Post by shadow3 on Jul 3, 2023 9:05:49 GMT
Awk-waaaaaaard
Coyote: Well, I got most of the story right, so I'm relatively correct, the best type of correct there is. Or was it technically?
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Post by davidm on Jul 3, 2023 9:06:00 GMT
Coyote is still technically correct... Loup loves Annie, Annie loves Y/good side of Loup, as a good friend.
It's possible that coyote knows everything, and this is part of his joke/plan/ manipulation, Jones saying he doesn't lie but there in in lies the danger.
We haven't been given a reason by coyote why Annie would want to plunge dagger into Loup.
After Annie fell off bridge early in story, Red and Blue were begging Annie to crush them with a rock... To pass the test and become something different
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Post by davidm on Jul 3, 2023 9:15:31 GMT
If coyote was really overall wrong, he may be assuming star ocean is powered by Loup, because court is supposedly smart enough to find him and to know how stupid it would be to use zimmy instead.
If that is case maybe there's some reason that Star ocean has to be stopped. Which would explain why Annie supposedly has to kill loup, and kat will kill zimmy.
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Post by arf on Jul 3, 2023 9:21:20 GMT
Coyote's reaction: "Well! Dead only for a year and already the place is becoming unglued."
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Post by csj on Jul 3, 2023 9:27:51 GMT
Awk-waaaaaaard Coyote: Well, I got most of the story right, so I'm relatively correct, the best type of correct there is. Or was it technically? |
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Post by stclair on Jul 3, 2023 9:29:11 GMT
something something psychohistorical crisis
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Post by rafk on Jul 3, 2023 9:47:51 GMT
Coyote also weirdly assumes Annie would fall in love with Loup. Might have happened if they kept spending time together and he didn't go off with Lana. Lana seems to be the spoke in the wheel of his predictions. Unless of course the failed prediction is a Batman Gambit to inspire them to do whatever it is he actually wants them to do. |
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Post by sosleepy on Jul 3, 2023 9:51:29 GMT
Oh my. This becomes more and more awkward by the minute.
Also very cute faces on panel 3! Love those expressions~
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Post by blahzor on Jul 3, 2023 10:17:31 GMT
Like George's father he's almost completely correct
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Post by blahzor on Jul 3, 2023 10:18:00 GMT
Everything according to planThough assuming this is another one of Coyote's prerecorded messages, what's the point of this one? Breed paranoia? Chaos like always |
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Post by Igniz on Jul 3, 2023 11:07:43 GMT
Well, Loup did fall in love with a fire head girl, so...
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Post by laaaa on Jul 3, 2023 11:39:59 GMT
Coyote also weirdly assumes Annie would fall in love with Loup. I am under the impression that Coyote did not forsee the existence of the New People. Admitedly, without Robot revealing Jerrek's identity, the relationship between Annie and Loup might have gone differently (YAK). |
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Post by Corvo on Jul 3, 2023 12:22:23 GMT
 Coyote laughed at this! Wow, Runningflame got it right on the nail, eh! |
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Post by pylgrimm on Jul 3, 2023 12:35:36 GMT
The shock of his plans and predictions going askew might be the one thing that can kill Coyote for good.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 3, 2023 13:00:09 GMT
assuming this is another one of Coyote's prerecorded messages, what's the point of this one? Breed paranoia? Coyote's purposes for this allegedly-last limited-time post-death reappearance seem to be... 1. gloat about successfully manipulating Antimony and Ysengrin/Loup 2. keep plan on track through gloating by reinforcing a self-fulfilling prophesy It should be noted that while Coyote failed to call one plot twist he's actually not that far off base and all or nearly all of the dominoes he set up remain set up. I think that due to potential volatility of the Jerrek/Lana relationship his overall plan will still eventually work if nothing else happens outside of Coyote's predictions... but now that there are obvious cracks in the plan the odds of Antimony (or somebody else) being able to derail it/reroute it to a more constructive outcome have drastically increased. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 3, 2023 13:25:44 GMT
Any other Girl Genius readers here who felt reminded of this? Coyote also weirdly assumes Annie would fall in love with Loup. Might have happened if they kept spending time together and he didn't go off with Lana.[...] But Annie already knew that Jerrek was Loup at this point, I can't imagine her falling in love with him knowing his true identity. Coyote also weirdly assumes Annie would fall in love with Loup. I think he's referring to Annie's platonic love for Ysengrin here, which she herself said she felt. |
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Post by blahzor on Jul 3, 2023 13:34:22 GMT
assuming this is another one of Coyote's prerecorded messages, what's the point of this one? Breed paranoia? Coyote's purposes for this allegedly-last limited-time post-death reappearance seem to be... 1. gloat about successfully manipulating Antimony and Ysengrin/Loup 2. keep plan on track through gloating by reinforcing a self-fulfilling prophesy It should be noted that while Coyote failed to call one plot twist he's actually not that far off base and all or nearly all of the dominoes he set up remain set up. I think that due to potential volatility of the Jerrek/Lana relationship his overall plan will still eventually work if nothing else happens outside of Coyote's predictions... but now that there are obvious cracks in the plan the odds of Antimony (or somebody else) being able to derail it/reroute it to a more constructive outcome have drastically increased. he also perfected this manipulation by eating Y's memories for a untold amount of time |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 3, 2023 13:55:07 GMT
he also perfected this manipulation by eating Y's memories for a untold amount of time Yeah to continue my analogy Coyote ate Ysengrin's memories for years (maybe decades) to keep that particular domino from falling too soon or moving from where placed. If Ysengrin had to confront his anger at the way he was being manipulated by Coyote or the effect on Antimony he wouldn't have been content with things; he might have distanced himself from Antimony or he might have reexamined himself and gained insight into his own character or situation and become harder to manipulate. Can't have that. |
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Post by fia on Jul 3, 2023 14:38:09 GMT
Poor Coyote, he must not have had access to Tom saying years ago that he didn't really plan any romantic relationships for Annie because he dislikes the trope. (If anyone can find where he said that, this post will look much cleverer with a link).
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Post by ctso74 on Jul 3, 2023 14:48:00 GMT
Maybe Coyote will discover, that being dead means the world moves on without you.
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Post by drmemory on Jul 3, 2023 15:44:56 GMT
It's really important at this point that we understand exactly what these "Coyote echos" are. Are they really Coyote, as in things with free will and his powers? Or what? Is he really dead or only "mostly dead" and in need of a miracle pill?
If he's really dead, and this is a recording, it makes some sense - his echo is confident that his plan went according to, well, plan.
If he's really partly alive, then he'll be able to react and do things.
Remember, we've seen a Coyote echo (for lack of a better term) do stuff before! When evil buddha crashed the party when he was talking to Annie after the Shadow Men tried to steal his power, he actually booted Aata out of the ether. Also, in that same episode, his power was still there and he had to race the lightning to save it! Why would that be needed if he wasn't holding the power? Versus Loup I mean.
So I'm inclined to believe this is more of a "real" Coyote than not. What will he do when he discovers how much off plan things are? I don't see any reason for Annie to kill Jerrek at this point! His plan was pretty sketchy anyway - why set up Annie to have to kill someone in love with her, even if it wasn't a mutual situation? Don't be an asshole, Coyote!!! I say that whether this is more of an echo or more of a "real" Coyote. Not cool man, not cool...
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Post by Gemminie on Jul 3, 2023 16:02:47 GMT
OK, finally I'm caught up!
Again in Coyote's storytelling style, he says in the first panel that he knew Loup would try to live among the humans while gathering information in the Court – and that, while doing so, Loup would find a way to be close to Annie.
And Coyote also knew that Loup would fall in love with Annie. Wait, what?
Then he asks Annie whether she can bear to kill Loup, whom she now loves so much (wait, what?). And he asks Jerrek how it must feel knowing that Annie's going to kill him (wait, what?).
Coyote's other echoes have said that they were just shards of him left behind to see what would happen. But apparently they're like prerecorded messages, like the ones Hari Seldon left for the Foundation in Asimov's Foundation series. And now things have deviated, as they did when the mutant called the Mule appeared, and the message is based on a predicted future that hasn't come to pass.
The fact that Loup lived among the New People, whereas Coyote predicted he would live among the humans, suggests that Coyote didn't predict the rise of the New People at all. And because of that, Loup fell in love with one of them, not with Annie. This has caused Loup to want to abandon Coyote's plan, so he's been doing nothing to force Annie's hand so she stabs him. What's unclear is what situation they would be in now if things had gone according to plan – Coyote's echo said earlier that he'd appear one more time right at the end, and he seems to think that this is that time. They were supposed to be in love, and they were supposed to be in some kind of situation where Annie had no choice but to kill Loup. What situation would that have been? Maybe we'll find out more about that as Coyote's echo continues his exposition.
Another possibility is, of course, that Coyote is tricking them right now and making them think that he made an inaccurate prediction. I guess we'll see.
So it appears that there's yet another parallel happening here – Omega's predictions are scotched because Annie survived her fall (thanks to Kat), and Coyote's predictions are derailed because Kat created the New People (in some ways inspired by Annie). The team of Annie and Kat appears to make the future difficult to foresee no matter who's trying to foresee it (except possibly for Zimmy).
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Post by lonestarf1 on Jul 3, 2023 16:26:03 GMT
The problem with pre-recorded predictions is that they can make you look a bit silly when they don't come true Just ask Parley senior! www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=384 |
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Post by maxptc on Jul 3, 2023 17:31:35 GMT
Is it soon to discuss how much more creepy and evil this whole thing makes Coyete and everything he has done, which was already super creppy and evil? I was going to give it till the end of the chapter, but I dunno how much worse Coyete can get at this point. I mean this was straight up grooming a child, and in an even worse way then is typical, what with the added murder plot. What's next, Coyete violates the genova conventions?
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