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Post by alevice on Jul 3, 2023 17:53:00 GMT
coyote: how must it feel knowing she will still plunge my tooth into your very heart?
jerrek: holup, she wasnt giving it to me before? she is gonna kill me with it?
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Post by nero on Jul 3, 2023 18:17:07 GMT
Just because Coyote never lies doesn't mean he always knows the truth. Yeah it definitely seems that because Annie was around to be Kat's friend, Kat would eventually create new people and this affected any predictions made by Coyote or the Court. I wonder if Zimmy will show up soon. Zimmy has seen altered visions or parallel scenes of the present. Coyote can't die until everything that contains his soul is destroyed like those totems, and Jerrek/Loup.
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Post by Runningflame on Jul 3, 2023 20:03:31 GMT
something something psychohistorical crisis ... emphasis on the psycho, in this case  |
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Post by blahzor on Jul 3, 2023 20:09:12 GMT
Poor Coyote, he must not have had access to Tom saying years ago that he didn't really plan any romantic relationships for Annie because he dislikes the trope. (If anyone can find where he said that, this post will look much cleverer with a link). Since Tom is technically in the comic Coyote could know of his existence if he chooses like he interacts with Tea |
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Post by Runningflame on Jul 3, 2023 20:19:48 GMT
Is it soon to discuss how much more creepy and evil this whole thing makes Coyete and everything he has done, which was already super creppy and evil? I was going to give it till the end of the chapter, but I dunno how much worse Coyete can get at this point. I mean this was straight up grooming a child, and in an even worse way then is typical, what with the added murder plot. What's next, Coyete violates the genova conventions? Yeah, Coyote has been... less than wonderful... toward Annie for quite a while (see also: setting Ysengrin up to attack her). What surprises me is how much she still seems to like him. Maybe that will change after this? She's gotten pretty angry before when she thought someone was trying to manipulate her. |
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Post by ophidiophile on Jul 3, 2023 20:38:01 GMT
Well, Loup did fall in love with a fire head girl, so... Coyote is going to have his mind blown when he learns Loup fell in love with the wrong fire head girl. |
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Post by bedinsis on Jul 3, 2023 20:55:03 GMT
I wonder what threw a wrench in Coyote's plans.
A case can be made that Coyote is a narcissistic god and figured Jerrek would see things the same way, of not seeing the people outside of Annie and her circle as important (in the same way a lion does not consider the opinion of ants), but having gotten a taste of mortality made Jerrek more humble and more appreciative of things that matter which as things turned out Lana was an example of. That would be when they encountered the Star Ocean.
Another case is that the idea that someone like Ysengrin, who basically hero worships Coyote no matter how he treats him, and who is incredibly stoic, would have someone fall in love with him that didn't already like a part of him was so outside of the realm of possibilities that he didn't consider it.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 3, 2023 21:23:36 GMT
Is it soon to discuss how much more creepy and evil this whole thing makes Coyete and everything he has done, which was already super creppy and evil? I was going to give it till the end of the chapter, but I dunno how much worse Coyete can get at this point. I mean this was straight up grooming a child, and in an even worse way then is typical, what with the added murder plot. What's next, Coyete violates the genova conventions? Yeah, Coyote has been... less than wonderful... toward Annie for quite a while (see also: setting Ysengrin up to attack her). What surprises me is how much she still seems to like him. Maybe that will change after this? She's gotten pretty angry before when she thought someone was trying to manipulate her. Antimony is still not an adult person. Her low-resolution perspective on Coyote has been that he is a powerful friend and the one who's protected her from Ysengrin's rage. Sure, Coyote's sniffed her butt and played jokes on her, one or two of which were mean... but he teaches her how to use the ether and tells her secrets. It hasn't yet registered that Coyote's entire interest in Antimony (and probably Surma) stemmed from utility towards goals he was until recently keeping to himself. She saw how Coyote treated Ysengrin and likely never thought Coyote might someday treat her the same way; if she thought about the disparity at all she probably thought that Ysengrin was grumpy, mean, and bad, whereas she was friendly and good. There were even hugs. To be fair, it takes some bad experiences or serious maturity to figure out that some people who seem to be friends are in fact playing head games. For myself, I like to watch boundaries and what people do instead of what they say, particularly how people treat others who aren't powerful or particularly useful... like waitstaff, for example. If you go to a business dinner or convention and you observe an individual looking down on the servers and treating them like crap, odds are they'll also use/abuse/discard you if the opportunity arises, so act accordingly. I figure the reason that whole thing with Red blaming Antimony for putting Ayilu in danger (which felt to me kinda-unfair and a little forced) was in the comic to eventually give Antimony food for thought on her own situation with Coyote. If she'll make the connection before all this goes down or in hindsight remains to be seen, though. |
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Post by todd on Jul 4, 2023 0:01:18 GMT
Poor Coyote, he must not have had access to Tom saying years ago that he didn't really plan any romantic relationships for Annie because he dislikes the trope. (If anyone can find where he said that, this post will look much cleverer with a link). I liked the idea of Annie being single myself (if it hadn't been for one or two moments such as the mention of her crush on someone during the time she was split in two, and the "Annie in the Forest" "spin-off books", I'd have seen her as aromantic) - but I'm a bit surprised at Tom mentioning his dislike for that sort of thing when he'd given many of the other characters (particularly Kat) romantic relationships. (Of course, Kat and Paz have broken up now, but still....) |
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Post by blahzor on Jul 4, 2023 2:28:45 GMT
Poor Coyote, he must not have had access to Tom saying years ago that he didn't really plan any romantic relationships for Annie because he dislikes the trope. (If anyone can find where he said that, this post will look much cleverer with a link). I liked the idea of Annie being single myself (if it hadn't been for one or two moments such as the mention of her crush on someone during the time she was split in two, and the "Annie in the Forest" "spin-off books", I'd have seen her as aromantic) - but I'm a bit surprised at Tom mentioning his dislike for that sort of thing when he'd given many of the other characters (particularly Kat) romantic relationships. (Of course, Kat and Paz have broken up now, but still....) If you have 2 main characters you can spare one of them from the trope |
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Post by maxptc on Jul 4, 2023 2:36:15 GMT
Yeah, Coyote has been... less than wonderful... toward Annie for quite a while (see also: setting Ysengrin up to attack her). What surprises me is how much she still seems to like him. Maybe that will change after this? She's gotten pretty angry before when she thought someone was trying to manipulate her. Antimony is still not an adult person. Her low-resolution perspective on Coyote has been that he is a powerful friend and the one who's protected her from Ysengrin's rage. Sure, Coyote's sniffed her butt and played jokes on her, one or two of which were mean... but he teaches her how to use the ether and tells her secrets. It hasn't yet registered that Coyote's entire interest in Antimony (and probably Surma) stemmed from utility towards goals he was until recently keeping to himself. She saw how Coyote treated Ysengrin and likely never thought Coyote might someday treat her the same way; if she thought about the disparity at all she probably thought that Ysengrin was grumpy, mean, and bad, whereas she was friendly and good. There were even hugs. To be fair, it takes some bad experiences or serious maturity to figure out that some people who seem to be friends are in fact playing head games. For myself, I like to watch boundaries and what people do instead of what they say, particularly how people treat others who aren't powerful or particularly useful... like waitstaff, for example. If you go to a business dinner or convention and you observe an individual looking down on the servers and treating them like crap, odds are they'll also use/abuse/discard you if the opportunity arises, so act accordingly. I figure the reason that whole thing with Red blaming Antimony for putting Ayilu in danger (which felt to me kinda-unfair and a little forced) was in the comic to eventually give Antimony food for thought on her own situation with Coyote. If she'll make the connection before all this goes down or in hindsight remains to be seen, though. Yeah, I don't blame Annie at all. Few are versed in this level of manipulation. Annie also understands how she is being directly treated and had strong boundaries, so she most likely thought something such as "if Coyete ever crosses this line, I will remove myself from the situation". With that thought and the knowledge Coyete would never directly harm her, along with all the other benefits of having forest access, its easy to understand why she felt safe with Coyete and didn't see the potential dangers of befriending such an entity. The fault is mostly on Coyete, maybe a bit on the Court for allowing such uncontrolled interaction, and Tony for backing down on letting Annie go back. But that brings up how Coyete would have responded to that, and also explains why Coyete wrecked the building. I wonder how far he would have gone had Tony stood his ground... Anyways, Coyote created a safe place where Annie, an abandoned girl with all sorts of parental issues, could find acceptance, knowledge and sanctuary. Hard to blame her for not realizing she was just like everything else to Coyete, a chess peice. A powerful and beloved peice he is absolutely not willing to scarfice, but still. Its pretty messed up, but seems like his plot at least sorta failed and that Loup/Jerrek is probably not getting murdered, at least not in the way he planned. |
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Post by justcurious on Jul 4, 2023 5:34:56 GMT
So both Coyote's and the Court's predictions have failed. Will Gamma's and Zimmy's predictions happen?
Zimmy's prediction that Annie will kill Loup is looking unlikely though we can't rule it out. We can see the danger of Kat killing Zimmy, probably by accident as a result of her overconfidence. But if the first prediction fails how likely is the second one to be successful. These look like risks rather than things that are destined to happen.
And Gamma predicted that Annie would stop Kat from going down a dark path and Kat would stop the Court in turn from going down the dark path that it is obviously on right now. I think this might suggest that Annie will stop Kat from killing Zimmy and in turn Kat might persuade the Court to abandon its plan to leave Earth. And possibly Kat might not become the robot goddess that she looks like becoming.
Gamma's and Zimmy's predictions look incompatible. Gamma seems to be predicting that Annie and Kat will prevent Zimmy's prediction from succeeding. And Gamma's prediction seems to be the likely one to happen but only if action is taken to counter what Zimmy has predicted.
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Post by Geekette on Jul 4, 2023 11:16:36 GMT
I'm remembering Coyote's theory around putting the stars in the sky. He put them there, as did many other gods, but they've also always been there, and he believes it is because of the thoughts of man. There's a lot of New People watching here - the recovery of Everyone should become a myth and legend in its own right after all. And we've seen shifted Annies and time loops before. And with Kat having just gone through a breakup, its an interesting time for this.
The tragic love is a story he's played before, with Renard. But maybe Annie and Jerrek aren't the actually intended audience now.
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Post by gpvos on Jul 4, 2023 12:04:53 GMT
And Gamma predicted that Annie would stop Kat from going down a dark path and Kat would stop the Court in turn from going down the dark path that it is obviously on right now. I had to look that one up. Here it is. |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Jul 4, 2023 13:27:48 GMT
There's a line very early in GC about the animals having trouble telling the difference between people. On that basis...
1. Coyote might have foreseen Jerrek getting with a red head and assumed it was Antimony.
2. Lana will kill Jerrek, possibly on the next page in a fit of pique.
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Post by blahzor on Jul 4, 2023 14:02:10 GMT
And Gamma predicted that Annie would stop Kat from going down a dark path and Kat would stop the Court in turn from going down the dark path that it is obviously on right now. I had to look that one up. Here it is.better path not a good path for the Court b/c Kat will always have a chance to turn into Coyote |
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Post by maxptc on Jul 4, 2023 16:14:58 GMT
Also, is Coyete implying that Loup/Jerrek is really just Ysengrin when he has god powers? Kinda feels that way.
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Post by hannibalbarca on Jul 4, 2023 16:31:23 GMT
Also, is Coyete implying that Loup/Jerrek is really just Ysengrin when he has god powers? Kinda feels that way. yeah, i'm kind of going insane at that because loup has been marketed, from day one, as "a different being entirely from coyote/ysengrin", think steven universe. maybe it's a result of the plot rushing, but there'd never been any real ambiguity as to who this creature was. i think if tom wanted to make it look like it was, at first, "ysengrin taking coyote's power", then as time goes on becoming "a whole new person entirely", the cartoon transformation page was a mistake, and we might have benefited from a little bit more time in-comic for people to go "did ysengrin really go crazy?" and maybe for ysengrin/loup himself to go "i'm still ysengrin!" whereas in the comic he's always been very adamant that he was a new person.
the fact he was a new person separate from the two, kind of like their child, made the fact he was in love with annie a little bit less weird. it was still weird, but it wasn't as bad as what coyote is implying now, which is that ysengrin had romantic feelings for annie the whole time?
i know right now he's wildly off-kilter in his predictions, but for him to even think that plan could possibly work, he would need to think ysengrin's feelings before assimilating coyote were romantic in nature, or could become that way. how could coyote be so wrong about that ? are we going to have clear, in-comic confirmation that this was NOT the case? possibly from the dead part of ysengrin, or loup himself? i really really hope so.
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Post by maxptc on Jul 4, 2023 17:01:32 GMT
Also, is Coyete implying that Loup/Jerrek is really just Ysengrin when he has god powers? Kinda feels that way. yeah, i'm kind of going insane at that because loup has been marketed, from day one, as "a different being entirely from coyote/ysengrin", think steven universe. maybe it's a result of the plot rushing, but there'd never been any real ambiguity as to who this creature was. i think if tom wanted to make it look like it was, at first, "ysengrin taking coyote's power", then as time goes on becoming "a whole new person entirely", the cartoon transformation page was a mistake, and we might have benefited from a little bit more time in-comic for people to go "did ysengrin really go crazy?" and maybe for ysengrin/loup himself to go "i'm still ysengrin!" whereas in the comic he's always been very adamant that he was a new person.
the fact he was a new person separate from the two, kind of like their child, made the fact he was in love with annie a little bit less weird. it was still weird, but it wasn't as bad as what coyote is implying now, which is that ysengrin had romantic feelings for annie the whole time?
i know right now he's wildly off-kilter in his predictions, but for him to even think that plan could possibly work, he would need to think ysengrin's feelings before assimilating coyote were romantic in nature, or could become that way. how could coyote be so wrong about that ? are we going to have clear, in-comic confirmation that this was NOT the case? possibly from the dead part of ysengrin, or loup himself? i really really hope so.
I dunno, Loup being able to fully summon Ysengrin at will but not Coyete is feeling like a clue. Ysengrin has Coyete powers, and he could disguise/recreate himself as a Ysengrin/Coyete hybrid so convincing that even he would believe it. But it would still be Ysengrin. |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Jul 4, 2023 17:04:31 GMT
Could God create an identity so cringe, even He could not bear it ?
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Post by blazingstar on Jul 4, 2023 18:53:04 GMT
Is it soon to discuss how much more creepy and evil this whole thing makes Coyete and everything he has done, which was already super creppy and evil? I was going to give it till the end of the chapter, but I dunno how much worse Coyete can get at this point. I mean this was straight up grooming a child, and in an even worse way then is typical, what with the added murder plot. What's next, Coyete violates the genova conventions? Antimony is still not an adult person.... ...I figure the reason that whole thing with Red blaming Antimony for putting Ayilu in danger (which felt to me kinda-unfair and a little forced) was in the comic to eventually give Antimony food for thought on her own situation with Coyote. I think forest people (except elves) don't fully understand the difference between adults and children. Fairies, spirits, and especially gods are all born pretty much fully-formed, and since humans don't have a universal definition of "child"/"adult", teenagers seem to be very confusing to them. To them, I don't think manipulating children would be a crime any worse than manipulating an adult. I think there's evidence for this: when Coyote and Ys first meet Annie, they don't understand why she is so small; Surma has to fight the psychopomps to let Annie be a kid before helping them on Afterlife Hospital Rounds; and, of course, Red expecting a 16-year-old to fully understand the consequences of her actions by making logical and rational decisions. Tl;dr, I'm saying that Coyote, and Ysengrin, and Red/Ayilu, have never actually understood that Annie is a child. (Even the Court doesn't sometimes.) However, with Coyote in particular, it's important to remember that he's always been a morally neutral character in this story, even for a god, and was always a bit too comfortable with a little murder. |
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Post by blazingstar on Jul 4, 2023 19:07:39 GMT
There's a line very early in GC about the animals having trouble telling the difference between people. On that basis... 1. Coyote might have foreseen Jerrek getting with a red head and assumed it was Antimony. 2. Lana will kill Jerrek, possibly on the next page in a fit of pique. I think animals have a hard time telling the difference between humans that are not etherically sensitive. Additionally, they can't tell the difference between Annie and Surma, because they have the exact same etheric signature - the same fire spirit. (Hence Coyote giving her the same nickname.) Snuffle the rabbit couldn't recognize Annie until she got in touch with her etheric side again. Jeanne recognized Parley from the passion in her heart. No one looking at Annie and Lana through the ether would EVER mix them up. Coyote doesn't just see through the ether, he lives in it, swims in it, and I would be surprised if he mixed up the "red haired girls". Something probably radically shifted the prediction he made before he died. Maybe even a friend, a girl genius, who has been known to shift the timeline around Annie before... I'll jump on board your guess #2, though. Surely Lana isn't going to stand by and watch this? |
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Post by gpvos on Jul 4, 2023 19:29:06 GMT
No one looking at Annie and Lana through the ether would EVER mix them up. Coyote doesn't just see through the ether, he lives in it, swims in it, and I would be surprised if he mixed up the "red haired girls". Hmm yes, that is a good argument in favour of this Coyote being a very limited copy or even just a recorded message. |
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Post by laaaa on Jul 4, 2023 20:33:18 GMT
Just because Coyote never lies doesn't mean he always knows the truth. Yeah it definitely seems that because Annie was around to be Kat's friend, Kat would eventually create new people and this affected any predictions made by Coyote or the Court. I wonder if Zimmy will show up soon. Zimmy has seen altered visions or parallel scenes of the present. Coyote can't die until everything that contains his soul is destroyed like those totems, and Jerrek/Loup. Yeah I'm really hopeful about Zimmy. Omega's predictions went wrong. Coyote's predictions went wrong. Maybe Zimmy's premonition will also be wrong?  |
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Post by drmemory on Jul 4, 2023 21:32:11 GMT
So if we take this at face value, Coyote really did want Ysengrin to kill him (Coyote), steal his power, move to the court in some sort of disguise, really fall in love with Annie (and she with him!), and eventually be killed by Annie. Worse, it seems it didn't even really have to be Annie specifically - Annie was chosen because Coyote thought she might be suitable for his plan. So the actual plan was to have Ysengrin fall in love with a human(-ish) girl, kill Coyote, steal his power, move to the court, fall in love with the girl (and she with him), and do something that would force her to kill him. What's missing here is the why. Why did Coyote want this to happen? Why did he try so hard to set up this Shakespearean tragedy? It isn't as simple as needing Ysengrin to die - he needed Ysengrin to evolve first. But why? Obviously it went wrong when Ysengrin fell in love with the wrong girl. Did that also disrupt the motivation for him having to be killed? I say Ysengrin here because Loup is clearly much more Ysengrin than Coyote. We never once saw any of Coyote's personality shining through. I've always thought that Loup was Ysengrin with (most of) Coyote's power but none of his personality and memories...
Still, we have the girl that Ysengrin loves, Ysengrin (Loup/Jerrek I suppose), and the knife all here in one place. So he could still be killed by the knife, killing both Coyote and Ysengrin. If he needs to die and he needs to specifically be killed by the Coyote tooth-knife, and he has to be killed by the girl he loves, Annie could hand the knife to Lana and she could do the deed. Annie would still be standing there, able to take them into the ether, if that was the real plan. If it was though, then Coyote needed the girl to become a psychopomp, which kinda implies it really did have to be Annie specifically! I can't see Ankou or Muut going along with this wackiness.
But, and this is a big but, I still don't see any reason for Jerrek to be killed. He's in love, has found a new respect for others, and is even trying to make amends. So why kill him? Maybe Coyote will finally explain the point of his plan once he sees how it's gone wrong.  |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 5, 2023 8:56:23 GMT
Is it soon to discuss how much more creepy and evil this whole thing makes Coyete and everything he has done, which was already super creppy and evil? I was going to give it till the end of the chapter, but I dunno how much worse Coyete can get at this point. I mean this was straight up grooming a child, and in an even worse way then is typical, what with the added murder plot. What's next, Coyete violates the genova conventions? Antimony is still not an adult person.... ...I figure the reason that whole thing with Red blaming Antimony for putting Ayilu in danger (which felt to me kinda-unfair and a little forced) was in the comic to eventually give Antimony food for thought on her own situation with Coyote. I don't think forest people (except maybe elves) don't fully understand the difference between adults and children. Fairies, spirits, and especially gods are all born pretty much fully-formed, and since humans don't have a universal definition of "child"/"adult", teenagers seem to be very confusing to them. To them, I don't think manipulating children would be a crime any worse than manipulating an adult. I think there's evidence for this when Coyote and Ys first meet Annie, and don't understand why she is so small; Surma has to fight the psychopomps to let Annie be a kid before helping them on Afterlife Hospital Rounds; and, of course, Red expecting a 16-year-old to fully understand the consequences of her actions by making logical and rational decisions. Basically, I'm saying that Coyote, and Ysengrin, and Red/Ayilu, have never actually understood that Annie is a child. (Even the Court doesn't sometimes.) However, with Coyote in particular, it's important to remember that he's always been a morally neutral character in this story, even for a god, and was always a bit too comfortable with a little murder. Hmm... It does appear to be true that a lot of the denizens of Gillite Wood do not share the human idea of an extended childhood/adolescence. They do seem to understand someone being too young to do a particular thing just not the gray area humans conceptualize between infancy and adulthood. It may be the case that getting a name is similar to adulthood in fairy society, one having been around long enough or doing something notable enough for others to recognize one as an individual, though we don't have enough information to say for sure. The tree elves do seem to have younger people who go to classes and those older people who don't, though again we don't have enough information to determine if one is an adult when one's finished with classes or what. It does bear remembering that Coyote is a non-moral actor. He probably understands morality pretty well, but as a god he is/was looking at it as a collection of foreign concepts. |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Jul 5, 2023 11:35:10 GMT
What's missing here is the why. Why did Coyote want this to happen? Why did he try so hard to set up this Shakespearean tragedy? It isn't as simple as needing Ysengrin to die - he needed Ysengrin to evolve first. But why?
It could be that, as Coyote is essentially a living story, that he wants to introduce new elements to his narrative god body? |
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Post by blahzor on Jul 5, 2023 13:50:49 GMT
i think we are underestimating how bored Coyote might be
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Post by ctso74 on Jul 5, 2023 15:44:33 GMT
yeah, i'm kind of going insane at that because loup has been marketed, from day one, as "a different being entirely from coyote/ysengrin", think steven universe. maybe it's a result of the plot rushing, but there'd never been any real ambiguity as to who this creature was. i think if tom wanted to make it look like it was, at first, "ysengrin taking coyote's power", then as time goes on becoming "a whole new person entirely", the cartoon transformation page was a mistake, and we might have benefited from a little bit more time in-comic for people to go "did ysengrin really go crazy?" and maybe for ysengrin/loup himself to go "i'm still ysengrin!" whereas in the comic he's always been very adamant that he was a new person.
the fact he was a new person separate from the two, kind of like their child, made the fact he was in love with annie a little bit less weird. it was still weird, but it wasn't as bad as what coyote is implying now, which is that ysengrin had romantic feelings for annie the whole time?
i know right now he's wildly off-kilter in his predictions, but for him to even think that plan could possibly work, he would need to think ysengrin's feelings before assimilating coyote were romantic in nature, or could become that way. how could coyote be so wrong about that ? are we going to have clear, in-comic confirmation that this was NOT the case? possibly from the dead part of ysengrin, or loup himself? i really really hope so.
I dunno, Loup being able to fully summon Ysengrin at will but not Coyete is feeling like a clue. Ysengrin has Coyete powers, and he could disguise/recreate himself as a Ysengrin/Coyete hybrid so convincing that even he would believe it. But it would still be Ysengrin. And another ingredient in the overfilled pot, is that we only saw the "real" Ysengrin in a flashback (Coyote first arriving). Coyote had been selectively cutting out his memories/personality, for our time seeing him. If Ysengrin had been left to his own mind, to grow as Rey did, what would he be like? Loup? Jerrik? Who knows. |
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Post by fia on Jul 6, 2023 1:25:46 GMT
Poor Coyote, he must not have had access to Tom saying years ago that he didn't really plan any romantic relationships for Annie because he dislikes the trope. (If anyone can find where he said that, this post will look much cleverer with a link). I liked the idea of Annie being single myself (if it hadn't been for one or two moments such as the mention of her crush on someone during the time she was split in two, and the "Annie in the Forest" "spin-off books", I'd have seen her as aromantic) - but I'm a bit surprised at Tom mentioning his dislike for that sort of thing when he'd given many of the other characters (particularly Kat) romantic relationships. (Of course, Kat and Paz have broken up now, but still....) What blahzor said, but also, I think (if I could find the quote...) what I remember Tom meant wasn't that he hated romance, just that he didn't want the comic to revolve around it plotwise. And I think it really hasn't. Romantic relationships have occurred, obviously, but they're of interest to the plot in a sense well beyond "will-they-won't-they" sort of drama. And there have been many kinds of romantic and non-romantic relationships represented, too (across genders, "species", living and dead people, etc). |
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