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Post by justhalf on Jun 30, 2023 7:05:21 GMT
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Post by Eversist on Jun 30, 2023 7:12:54 GMT
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 30, 2023 7:13:22 GMT
Panel 2: A rare reappearance of ol' lemonhead Antimony from days of yore!
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Post by alevice on Jun 30, 2023 7:26:07 GMT
Will Loup shred coyotes flesh and grind his bones now?
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Post by Isildur on Jun 30, 2023 8:19:40 GMT
Is this heading toward Coyote being flabbergasted by something he did not expect? (Loup ultimately fell for Lana, not Annie, though Coyote's reemergence was still triggered by Loup confessing falling in love to Annie. To, not with.)
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Post by jda on Jun 30, 2023 8:26:09 GMT
No. This "Coyote" is only an automated message, not able hear or respond to them, nor elucidate that Loup has loved any other than Annie. This Coyote SMS thinks Loup has found Love with Annie, maybe triggered by [feeling of Love] + [being near Annie] + [not being near Kat] + [feeling the situation is over] so, it is going to be embarrasing when he says something in the lines of "I knew that putting that tension between you would lead you to be a couple, just to despise me, like in the human Tale of Romeo & Juliet!!" and everybody is like "uuuuummm" |
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Post by arf on Jun 30, 2023 8:30:04 GMT
I think Coyote's appearance was triggered by Loup uttering the word 'love'. That could have occurred as rage-Loup announced that he just loved the smell of fresh roasted human beings in the morning. If Coyote hasn't realised who the love is aimed at, this will still get amusing. |
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Post by jasmijn on Jun 30, 2023 8:43:25 GMT
To what end, Coyote? To what end?
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Post by jda on Jun 30, 2023 8:47:02 GMT
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Post by Isildur on Jun 30, 2023 10:14:41 GMT
No. This "Coyote" is only an automated message, not able hear or respond to them, nor elucidate that Loup has loved any other than Annie. This Coyote SMS thinks Loup has found Love with Annie, maybe triggered by [feeling of Love] + [being near Annie] + [not being near Kat] + [feeling the situation is over] so, it is going to be embarrasing when he says something in the lines of "I knew that putting that tension between you would lead you to be a couple, just to despise me, like in the human Tale of Romeo & Juliet!!" and everybody is like "uuuuummm" Yes, we could be heading to such a moment with it being a purely prerecorded message (reminds me, from reading the Foundation series many years ago, of the prerecorded Seldon Vault message that was a failure of psychohistorical prophesying due to the unanticipated emergence of the Mule), but the previous Coyote emergences were able to interact as if alive, for all that he claimed to be "very much dead" and "only a flash of memory". You're not claiming, are you, that before dying, Coyote exactly predicted in advance everything that would be said and done during those emergences, and wasn't really interacting in those previous instances? He appeared to indicate that they were real interactions, when he said "I locked a piece of me away, along with a memory, just enough to see". Granted, there's a difference in this case, in that this appearance wasn't triggered by a piece of him being returned, and admittedly, he does appear to be acting oblivious of the Lana development so far, so it might be different than those previous emergences, but I'm not yet as sure as you that this one is just a voicemail, like that message Loup himself sent. It could be, but we'll see shortly, either way. |
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Post by Corvo on Jun 30, 2023 11:14:44 GMT
Wait, so he knew this would happen? This is totally new information! I wish we had some kind of warning to it.
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Post by migrantworker on Jun 30, 2023 12:32:37 GMT
No. This "Coyote" is only an automated message, not able hear or respond to them, nor elucidate that Loup has loved any other than Annie. This Coyote SMS thinks Loup has found Love with Annie, maybe triggered by [feeling of Love] + [being near Annie] + [not being near Kat] + [feeling the situation is over] so, it is going to be embarrasing when he says something in the lines of "I knew that putting that tension between you would lead you to be a couple, just to despise me, like in the human Tale of Romeo & Juliet!!" and everybody is like "uuuuummm" Yes, we could be heading to such a moment with it being a purely prerecorded message (reminds me, from reading the Foundation series many years ago, of the prerecorded Seldon Vault message that was a failure of psychohistorical prophesying due to the unanticipated emergence of the Mule), but the previous Coyote emergences were able to interact as if alive, for all that he claimed to be "very much dead" and "only a flash of memory". You're not claiming, are you, that before dying, Coyote exactly predicted in advance everything that would be said and done during those emergences, and wasn't really interacting in those previous instances? He appeared to indicate that they were real interactions, when he said "I locked a piece of me away, along with a memory, just enough to see". Granted, there's a difference in this case, in that this appearance wasn't triggered by a piece of him being returned, and admittedly, he does appear to be acting oblivious of the Lana development so far, so it might be different than those previous emergences, but I'm not yet as sure as you that this one is just a voicemail, like that message Loup himself sent. It could be, but we'll see shortly, either way. Hmm, but maybe Coyote used to have the ability to make such detailed predictions in the past, but now Annie broke it? She did break Omega's predictive power after all. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 30, 2023 12:49:05 GMT
Well, Ysengrin/Loup/Jerrek did tell Antimony that he regrets some of the actions he's taken, that he likes her, and he then confessed his love. She didn't say she loved him or even liked him. I think that was the trigger for this final planned reappearance of Coyote. Sure, Coyote knew it would happen... but I suspect that he didn't predict the small twist that also happened. Jerrek isn't ready to die yet. Coyote should be very entertained.
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Post by TBeholder on Jun 30, 2023 12:54:01 GMT
Is this heading toward Coyote being flabbergasted by something he did not expect? (Loup ultimately fell for Lana, not Annie, though Coyote's reemergence was still triggered by Loup confessing falling in love to Annie. To, not with.) On the upside, it’s a good argument in favour of Jerrek being his own creature now. Which (along with Lana not being a goosewife) is a good argument in favour of “abort mission and reset”. Also, surprised Coyote is amused Coyote. Thus likely to be more amenable. |
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Post by pylgrimm on Jun 30, 2023 13:48:25 GMT
Have to admit that if Coyote turns up to actually be evil (as opposed to a force of pure chaos and hedonism) I'd be very surprised.
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Post by ctso74 on Jun 30, 2023 14:57:44 GMT
Yeah, that doesn't seem creepy at all.
Then again, Coyote probably uses Blue-and-Orange Morality. Or, knowing him, Asymptote-and-Oak-Armoire Morality.
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Post by nero on Jun 30, 2023 15:32:40 GMT
I guess Coyote was entertained by what happened to Renard. And now he's going to tell us what he wanted to see happen with Ysengrin. We haven't seen evidence that Renard ever had his memory manipulated by Coyote, right?
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jun 30, 2023 18:52:38 GMT
Jerrek is still standing there in the panel. That's a pretty big clue right there.
Admittedly, he isn't doing much, just a blank stare with mouth agape at the sight of his Coyote half appearing in front of him.
But he doesn't seem to be quite dead yet, or even harmed - which is remarkable, considering that Coyote came flying out of his mouth.
The puppet's strings haven't been cut. There's still something there: either Jerrek emerging as an actual person, or..... if this Coyote is just a message (I like this theory), then there's no reason for Loup Jerrek to be dead yet.
* Or Coyote's a ghost, if you prefer.
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Post by bedinsis on Jun 30, 2023 19:12:18 GMT
Bringing them closer together?
Does... does he mean romantically? I've read their relationship as paternalistic but Ysengrin's time as Jerrek has made me hesitant of what the intention was.
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Post by gpvos on Jun 30, 2023 20:15:23 GMT
Maybe this has been discussed somewhere already, but I have been wondering some time whether Coyote's plan still covers the current situation. Loup assuming the form of a New Person is probably par for the course, but his transformation by LOVE may be outside Coyote's parameters. But maybe Coyote could look far enough ahead to see this? Well, although I correctly saw that this topic would come up soon, I got it more or less the wrong way around. Coyote actually planned for Loup to fall in love, but he didn't expect it would be for the reddish-haired New Person Lana, but instead for red-haired Annie. So Coyote implanted a trigger into Loup (probably via the goose bone or lake water) that would fire when Loup confessed to be in love in the presence of Annie. And as of now, the temporary copy of Coyote (no, not a prerecorded message, it wasn't the previous time either) seems to be oblivious of the exact current situation. I do think it will be hard for Coyote to force Annie's hand now. Loup will likely survive this. |
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Post by yellowb on Jun 30, 2023 20:18:05 GMT
Note Coyote's choice of words here. "I did what I could to foster the relationship...". It indicates a "but" is coming.
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Post by sosleepy on Jun 30, 2023 20:32:28 GMT
Panel 2: A rare reappearance of ol' lemonhead Antimony from days of yore! I'm genuinely happy to see her "lemonhead" form again! The whole panel looks very heartwarming. Not minding the context at least. ....hehe, lemonhead~ |
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Post by sosleepy on Jun 30, 2023 20:48:21 GMT
Damn Coyote is creepy on the third panel. Especially the way he sticks his claw right at Annie's head.
I love that despite being orchestrated by Coyote, Ysengrin and Annie sincerely enjoyed their time together. It doesn't matter that it was all Coyote's plan if their feelings and emotions towards each other were true.
And i hope Annie will punch Coyote in the face real hard for all of this... even if he's only a remnant of his true self now!
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Post by sosleepy on Jun 30, 2023 20:54:24 GMT
Maybe this has been discussed somewhere already, but I have been wondering some time whether Coyote's plan still covers the current situation. Loup assuming the form of a New Person is probably par for the course, but his transformation by LOVE may be outside Coyote's parameters. But maybe Coyote could look far enough ahead to see this? Well, although I correctly saw that this topic would come up soon, I got it more or less the wrong way around. Coyote actually planned for Loup to fall in love, but he didn't expect it would be for the reddish-haired New Person Lana, but instead for red-haired Annie. So Coyote implanted a trigger into Loup (probably via the goose bone or lake water) that would fire when Loup confessed to be in love in the presence of Annie. And as of now, the temporary copy of Coyote (no, not a prerecorded message, it wasn't the previous time either) seems to be oblivious of the exact current situation. I do think it will be hard for Coyote to force Annie's hand now. Loup will likely survive this. |
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Post by maxptc on Jul 1, 2023 0:36:19 GMT
This is one of the worst and creepiest attempts at wingmaning I've ever seen. There had to be easier ways to get Ysengrin a girlfriend.
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Post by drmemory on Jul 1, 2023 1:37:21 GMT
When did Coyote first see Annie? The earliest I can remember is when she fell off the bridge and he destroyed Kat's birb... They didn't meet and talk until later, when Coyote and Ysengrin came to the court to complain about Annie's sweater and the remnants of the birb. Or at least when they used that as a pretext for Ysengrin to drop three seeds in the court. Maybe that whole thing was a pretext to introduce Annie to the two of them? But of course we can't know for sure that these are the firsts, what with the timey wimey stuff.  |
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Post by philman on Jul 1, 2023 9:24:46 GMT
Hmm, this certainly looks like a message, or the actual Coyote, believing that Loup has just told Annie that he loves her and claiming he predicted this. This looks similar to the situation I mentioned a week ago, except with Cpyote being totally unaware. Total rugpull and Coyote finally being wrong! I just hope it is actually him so that he can be there to realise he is wrong when they tell him and it isn't just recorded message. I wondered of Coyote's plan was to have Loup fall in love, but that he expected Loup to fall in ove with Annie (as we did start to see Loup make some weird moves on Annie before Lana got in the way), and so is surprised and finding it hilarious that Loup actually fell in love with Lana instead. I think Coyote failed to fully account for the New People. We saw in the past that when he created a new people, the shadow people, he got bored halfway through and never bothered to finish them, so perhaps he expected somethign similar from Kat's New People |
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Post by todd on Jul 1, 2023 13:05:14 GMT
Panel 2: A rare reappearance of ol' lemonhead Antimony from days of yore! We also see the return of the school uniform. How long has it been since it featured in the comic? |
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Post by Runningflame on Jul 1, 2023 17:56:35 GMT
When did Coyote first see Annie? The earliest I can remember is when she fell off the bridge and he destroyed Kat's birb... They didn't meet and talk until later, when Coyote and Ysengrin came to the court to complain about Annie's sweater and the remnants of the birb. Or at least when they used that as a pretext for Ysengrin to drop three seeds in the court. Maybe that whole thing was a pretext to introduce Annie to the two of them? But of course we can't know for sure that these are the firsts, what with the timey wimey stuff. You know, I was just coming here to say that Annie's face on this page is actually a bit off-model for the first time she and Coyote met (it was taller and less pointy-cheeked by then). But since we now know that he was there when she fell off the bridge, it's actually pretty close to how she looked in that chapter. Objection retracted, I guess. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 2, 2023 19:20:29 GMT
Panel 2: A rare reappearance of ol' lemonhead Antimony from days of yore! We also see the return of the school uniform. How long has it been since it featured in the comic? It's been a minute. There haven't been regular classes since the evac, I guess, so the uniforms seem to have fallen by the wayside. Not counting Shadow Men suits, teachers, and Court protector uniforms... Without rereading the comic I'll guess the frontpiece of ch76. That's a flashback, though. Ch66 p35 features Drew in uniform minus jacket. |
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