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Post by imaginaryfriend on May 12, 2023 7:05:29 GMT
Zap! Kudos to Kat and Antimony for not letting on earlier. Antimony had to have been ticked off about what "Loup" did to Renard's body. Cookies to people who called this development!
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Post by blahzor on May 12, 2023 7:07:23 GMT
Annie: i mean if it was just me I wouldn't have known but i got a techno genius god as my bff-through-universes-and-time on my side
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Post by laaaa on May 12, 2023 7:09:00 GMT
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Post by laaaa on May 12, 2023 7:12:17 GMT
I can guess how Annie found out, and how she safely told Renard via their psychic link, but how did they inform Kat without Loup finding out? Did they talk normally about it and Loup just wasn't listening 24/24?
Or he WAS listening, but they were being Light-Yagami-level careful amd only duscussed it in Kat's alternate dimension virtual space?
Also kudos to Kat for succeeding where the Court failed.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on May 12, 2023 7:14:54 GMT
It would be hilarious if Robot just made the bargain so he could confirm Jerrek was "Loup" and then said La Mao Ex Dee and immediately ratted him out.
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Post by Eily on May 12, 2023 7:17:06 GMT
What the krigg are they doing ? Why would they put him in that cage the very moment he tries to be useful / trustworthy ?
It looks like that cage is made of the same stuff as Jeanne's arrow, so a very strong statement.
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Post by jda on May 12, 2023 7:21:19 GMT
It would be hilarious if Robot just made the bargain so he could confirm Jerrek was "Loup" and then said La Mao Ex Dee and immediately ratted him out. That'd be a classic. Robot ++ in my book |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on May 12, 2023 7:22:12 GMT
What the krigg are they doing ? Why would they put him in that cage the very moment he tries to be useful / trustworthy ? They're probably figuring the jig is up and they're still pissed about Renard's body, among other things. |
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Post by philman on May 12, 2023 7:22:57 GMT
What the krigg are they doing ? Why would they put him in that cage the very moment he tries to be useful / trustworthy ? It looks like that cage is made of the same stuff as Jeanne's arrow, so a very strong statement. Because putting trust in a fusion of a literal trickster god who has already destroyed half your homeland, as well as one of your best friend's and father figures literal body, is a recipe for fools. They don't know he has gone full dead goose, they just think this is yet another weird trick. I think Annie would have been prepared to listen to him before, but the destruction of Renard's true body angered her so much even she won't believe in him anymore. Also I don't think I saw this coming, but it makes it exciting for sure! |
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Post by jda on May 12, 2023 7:24:51 GMT
What the krigg are they doing ? Why would they put him in that cage the very moment he tries to be useful / trustworthy ? It looks like that cage is made of the same stuff as Jeanne's arrow, so a very strong statement. For the sake of plot. If you have stated clearly that 2 factions will be in the Final Showdown, you can not get them to reconcile mid-story. Think it as Yeah, the cage is not of the usual (Arrow)Green Magic, but also Red Magic, that I would expect is what Kat could extract from the ToothSword |
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Post by arf on May 12, 2023 7:50:06 GMT
I see the Court has public nuisance laws as well...
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Post by arf on May 12, 2023 7:51:00 GMT
... Black-eyed Kat is scary Kat.
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Post by rafk on May 12, 2023 7:53:33 GMT
So they DID know all along. Huh.
I was one of the people convinced Annie knew right up to the point that we had a complete lack of reveal of it after Annie's last conversation with him.
It's kind of weird then that they didn't appear to have him under surveillance.
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Post by arf on May 12, 2023 7:58:22 GMT
"How do you know all this?" asks Annie, knowing full well that Jerrek was the other half of the conversation.
I suppose they were interested in what his answer would be.
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Post by arf on May 12, 2023 8:00:30 GMT
It's kind of weird then that they didn't appear to have him under surveillance. They *might* have been surveilling via Lana. |
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Post by lightshade on May 12, 2023 8:31:07 GMT
Well, this was to be expected. Not sure Loup expected it though which means his reaction will likely go over the top and full of rage given that's the main part of Ysengrin he's in touch with. Unless this is immediately followed by "Wait, I've changed for the better and I am proving it by summoning a replacement body for Renard this very instant" they're not gonna be interested in listening or trying to understand how he's had a lot of character development through being with Lana. Listening and understanding got left waaaayyyy behind when he cruelly destroyed Renard's original body and now all Annie probably wants is revenge.
I'm worried for Lana though. She might get caught in the crossfire trying to protect Jerrek and the heartbreaking discovery that the New People's bodies CAN in fact get hurt and/or die will be revealed. Alternately, Jerrek might be the one to get caught in the crossfire trying to protect her and end up "dying" thanks to Coyote's toothsword as he gets split back into Coyote and Ysengrin. While this all looks to be heading for tragedy, I'd love it if the bittersweet ending is Loup ceases to exist thanks to having learned how to love enough to sacrifice himself for someone but then uses the last of his strength and power to make Jerrek a "real boy" of sorts so that he can truly be with Lana forever.
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Post by silicondream on May 12, 2023 8:34:51 GMT
I can guess how Annie found out, and how she safely told Renard via their psychic link, but how did they inform Kat without Loup finding out? Did they talk normally about it and Loup just wasn't listening 24/24? Or he WAS listening, but they were being Light-Yagami-level careful amd only duscussed it in Kat's alternate dimension virtual space? I don't think Loup can be omnipresent outside of the Forest. Whether it's the influence of Omega or the Star Ocean or just the general techiness, he was never able to hear or see what was going on deep inside the Court. Kat and Annie are probably safe to talk so long as they're on uninvaded Court territory and Jerrek isn't physically close to them. Well, we don't know that she's succeeded yet. It may be that Loup's just trying to decide whether to abandon his Jerrek persona completely, for the sake of a full-power escape attempt. What the krigg are they doing ? Why would they put him in that cage the very moment he tries to be useful / trustworthy ? Perhaps they were just delaying containment so he wouldn't know that they were onto him. Once he's out of the closet, they may as well continue the conversation from the safest position possible. ...or, maybe they just want to get his attention, and now they'll deactivate the cage as a show of good faith. |
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Post by maxptc on May 12, 2023 9:40:49 GMT
I see three general timelines for this.
1) Annie has known this basically forever.
2) Annie has known since Robot confronted Loup/since Loup made plans with Annie.
3) Annie has known since the train.
All that leads to the question of how much of this was a plan and how much was Robot, Lana, and everyone acting independently. I lean towards option three myself, because Annie planing to be alone with Loup in that situation doesn't make a lot of sense to me, nor does bringing up the omega device, even in pasing. Could be another twist/crazy long con with Robot and maybe Lana in on it, and the whole thing has been a set up. I just don't think that's the case, because I like Lana and Loup together and it just seems like a really questionable plan if the whole thing was a set up.
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Post by TBeholder on May 12, 2023 9:45:53 GMT
In which the complications were met.I guess that since the difference between war and politics is in the means, it follows that there is a diplomatic equivalent of Moltke Law: | No plan of negotiations extends with any certainty beyond the first encounter with the other High Contracting Party. |
It would be hilarious if Robot just made the bargain so he could confirm Jerrek was "Loup" and then said La Mao Ex Dee and immediately ratted him out. That’s unnecessary and even suboptimal, if this was the intent. S13 could arrange well-hidden witnesses. And/or could tell someone beforehand, at very least because being crushed by Loup is a feasible outcome. Then it’s a small (and not even necessarily intended) step to let an explicit refusal to discuss the matter default to confirmation. In either case, breaking the letter of agreement after it’s made would be redundant.
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Post by wombat on May 12, 2023 10:36:29 GMT
I can guess how Annie found out, and how she safely told Renard via their psychic link, but how did they inform Kat without Loup finding out? Did they talk normally about it and Loup just wasn't listening 24/24? Or he WAS listening, but they were being Light-Yagami-level careful amd only duscussed it in Kat's alternate dimension virtual space? Also kudos to Kat for succeeding where the Court failed. While I also think it's the case that Loup's powers don't allow for such surveillance outside the forest, I also have an alternative speculation for this: Annie sent Kat an email about it. |
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Post by Corvo on May 12, 2023 11:42:49 GMT
Yes, because neon green traps worked so well last time, right?!
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Post by Polyhymnia on May 12, 2023 11:50:25 GMT
Can Loup lie? I know Coyote couldn’t but I forget whether the same rules apply to Loup.
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Post by blahzor on May 12, 2023 11:54:40 GMT
Yes, because neon green traps worked so well last time, right?! she's a scientist that was a failure on the step to working |
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Post by sosleepy on May 12, 2023 11:59:33 GMT
I expected Loup to tell them the truth but damn it's still hilarious. This guy never stops to surprise me!
I wonder how the hell will he convince them to let him out? Maybe Lana will convince them that Loup's a good guy so he could get some kind of probation?
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Post by arf on May 12, 2023 12:36:18 GMT
Lana sticks to her principles. I think she will insist on going in the cage with him.
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Post by Sky Schemer on May 12, 2023 13:44:50 GMT
Sucks. At. Intrigue.
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Post by ctso74 on May 12, 2023 14:06:07 GMT
I'm betting they didn't know when Rey's body was destroyed. So, after that? I suppose it could have been Robot immediately telling Kat, despite what he told Loup.
Hopefully, Kat doesn't have a monitoring system in all the NPs (thus learning remotely through Lana). If she has such surveillance, I hope she has all the adult filters on, for her own sanity's sake.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on May 12, 2023 14:08:09 GMT
Rereading the comic, that conversation back in Ch. 84 was probably the best point for Antimony to figure out Jerrek was "Loup." That's the one where Antimony says he reminds her of someone she misses... However, the bulk of Ch. 85, and this conversation in particular, would make no sense if Antimony or Kat knew Jerrek was "Loup" at that point so they had to have figured it out at the time or after Robot made the deal. In Ch. 87 Antimony says that she doesn't think "Loup" can be reasoned with but she is willing to listen to Jerrek until he reveals that he's "Loup" in today's comic, which may or may not mean anything. Maybe something happened around Ch. 88-89 that wasn't in the comic. Those elf kids might have said something that got back to Antimony at some point, or as has already been speculated maybe Jerrek and Lana ducking out on the star ocean jaunt might have been the catalyst to the secret coming out. Antimony could have followed them, either ethereally or physically, or maybe she asked Kat to look in on them and find out if they were okay and they saw or overheard something. We know Robot knew; supposedly robots can't lie but he's in a new body and has rationalized doing something deceptive and questionable before in Ch. 49. [edit] Oh yeah, remember Piter? Maybe he said something that helped Antimony piece things together. Or maybe his dead body turned up somewhere and Jerrek was the last person to see him alive. [/edit] In which the complications were met.I guess that since the difference between war and politics is in the means, it follows that there is a diplomatic equivalent of Moltke Law: | No plan of negotiations extends with any certainty beyond the first encounter with the other High Contracting Party. |
It would be hilarious if Robot just made the bargain so he could confirm Jerrek was "Loup" and then said La Mao Ex Dee and immediately ratted him out. That’s unnecessary and even suboptimal, if this was the intent. S13 could arrange well-hidden witnesses. And/or could tell someone beforehand, at very least because being crushed by Loup is a feasible outcome. Then it’s a small (and not even necessarily intended) step to let an explicit refusal to discuss the matter default to confirmation. In either case, breaking the letter of agreement after it’s made would be redundant. Robot volunteered to not only keep quiet but also to continue to maintain the Jerrek disguise. That would appear to prevent him from breaking the spirit of the agreement while keeping the letter. I'm unsure what benefit he'd gain from weaseling around it as opposed to just breaking the agreement because weaseling wouldn't get him off the hook with "Loup." Of course I have no evidence that Robot ratted Jerrek out, though it does seem unlikely that the girls knew before Robot confirmed that Jerrek was indeed "Loup." Maybe Antimony was suspicious back in Ch. 84 and arranged for Robot to confirm that suspicion, but for whatever reason he didn't report back until around or after Ch. 87? Robot might have been waiting for an opportunity to make absolutely sure he wasn't observed when he was doing the snitching. I'm not sure how much time lapsed between Ch. 84-87, but at this moment that seems to me to be the most likely possibility. |
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Post by pyradonis on May 12, 2023 14:19:54 GMT
I'm surprised no one so far has suggested that Kat found out Jerrek was Loup thanks to her new powers allowing her to tap into the Court's surveillance systems at will.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on May 12, 2023 14:24:09 GMT
I'm surprised no one so far has suggested that Kat found out Jerrek was Loup thanks to her new powers allowing her to tap into the Court's surveillance systems at will. That's what I meant when I wrote that Antimony might have asked Kat to look in on them. I don't think Kat would have had a reason to surveil Jerrek before Jerrek and Lana bailed on the star ocean trip. |
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