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Post by arf on Feb 17, 2023 8:07:47 GMT
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Post by madjack on Feb 17, 2023 8:14:35 GMT
Annie didn't put the chip in?
That's the only way I can see Paz giving her that smile of thanks.
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Post by arf on Feb 17, 2023 8:17:52 GMT
That's my thought. Then we discover the chip was a placebo...
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Post by madjack on Feb 17, 2023 8:20:16 GMT
I'd guess there's most likely nothing in her neck at all yet, and once the anesthetic wears off, or Kat tries to activate the chip and fails, they will both give her a talk.
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Post by laaaa on Feb 17, 2023 8:48:54 GMT
I... honestly hope the chip IS in there and functioning. Kat will feel kinda betrayed her two best friends tricked her (instead of outright refusing to help) and made a decision on her behalf, in the grounds of "Kat, you will go insane, murder Zimmy, turn into a huge mecha angel and lose your humanity even though you have up till now achieved flawless bioengineering, are basically are capable of making human bodies out of nothing, and this chip implant is small potatoes compared to everything else you've achieved this far", which, let's be honest, is hella rude.
Practically speaking, I doubt this chip will, by itself, have a lot of influence on Kat. Maybe it will open the door for Omega to use Kat, or will alter the robots' perception of Kat. If the New People can now effect ether, maybr THEY will turn Kat into the Mecha Angel. But I think that the chip, by itself, will be kinda harmless.
I think their smiles mean that they put a stiff uper lip to face whatsever is coming and that Paz is glad Annie patcher her up properly.
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Post by madjack on Feb 17, 2023 8:55:59 GMT
Oh no, going off some other speculation on reddit:
If Annie didn't implant the interface, the chip and computer's connection is etheric and Kat believes its there, maybe it will work anyway?
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Post by jda on Feb 17, 2023 8:56:50 GMT
Annie didn't put the chip in? That's the only way I can see Paz giving her that smile of thanks. I see it now. But then, who gets the chip? I mean, that is sooooo much Chekov armory there... |
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Post by basser on Feb 17, 2023 8:58:10 GMT
Kat's techno-wizard powers derive from the faith of her legion of ensouled robot children, she never needed a chip.
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Post by lightshade on Feb 17, 2023 9:10:32 GMT
Looks like these two are up to something sneaky. While I do wish they'd simply TALKED to Kat about how they feel, she's pretty far gone into her own mania and probably wouldn't have listened to a word they had to say. I have a feeling they're gonna do something that demonstrates the real-world consequences of what Kat wants to do, something that will make her realize sometimes the words 'No, you've gone too far' are those she needs to hear. Maybe trap her in some sort of illusion where she sees how she could turn into a techno-goddess who is unable to relate to the people around her any longer?
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Post by Igniz on Feb 17, 2023 9:15:15 GMT
I'd guess there's most likely nothing in her neck at all yet, and once the anesthetic wears off, or Kat tries to activate the chip and fails, they will both give her a talk. That, or Paz quickly pulls off the plaster and they give her the talk right there and then. |
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Post by Georgie L on Feb 17, 2023 10:56:17 GMT
Honestly, it seems to me like they're both just being like "y'know what? that was weird, but I'm okay with her doing this"
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Post by Per on Feb 17, 2023 10:56:39 GMT
Mid-thread poll time!
If you feel that your friend, even in light of all the weird shit going on every day, am play gods and go too far, then what is the most reasonable and sensible course of action?
[ ] Voice your concerns and/or decline to assist them.
[ ] Perform sham surgery on them and/or stage some kind of ironic comeuppance.
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Post by Rasselas on Feb 17, 2023 11:15:00 GMT
Annie didn't put the chip in? That's the only way I can see Paz giving her that smile of thanks. I don't think that's happened. I think the chip is in, and they've just accepted the situation. |
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Post by madjack on Feb 17, 2023 11:37:29 GMT
I don't think that's happened. I think the chip is in, and they've just accepted the situation. Maybe? But if that were the case, going from Paz shedding a tear to completely fine, feels real jarring. Are we missing a page? |
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Post by blahzor on Feb 17, 2023 11:50:51 GMT
Annie didn't put the chip in? That's the only way I can see Paz giving her that smile of thanks. I see it now. But then, who gets the chip? I mean, that is sooooo much Chekov armory there... Robot is obvious twist is Loup reach for the stars is boxbot |
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Post by blahzor on Feb 17, 2023 11:52:41 GMT
I don't think that's happened. I think the chip is in, and they've just accepted the situation. Maybe? But if that were the case, going from Paz shedding a tear to completely fine, feels real jarring. Are we missing a page? they are further apart than they ever were now if it's in. or Kat can now talk to computers the way Paz talks to animals. couples being too much alike |
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Post by TBeholder on Feb 17, 2023 11:55:15 GMT
The look of relief. Well, it was painless. So far.
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Post by Tenjen on Feb 17, 2023 12:07:27 GMT
if it was put in there, i hope the "I cant feel anything" isnt ominous about her new state of mind.
for some reason the panels make me REALLY REALLY nervous about the oncoming state of affairs.
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Post by ohthatone on Feb 17, 2023 12:20:19 GMT
I don't think that's happened. I think the chip is in, and they've just accepted the situation. Maybe? But if that were the case, going from Paz shedding a tear to completely fine, feels real jarring. Are we missing a page? paz still cares for kat. Even if kat is doing something she can't get behind-and even decides to break up with her for it- I'm sure she still wants to be sure the job was done well and kat is ok. |
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 17, 2023 13:51:03 GMT
I'm becoming more and more confused with every page. Mid-thread poll time! If you feel that your friend, even in light of all the weird shit going on every day, am play gods and go too far, then what is the most reasonable and sensible course of action? [ ] Voice your concerns and/or decline to assist them. [ ] Perform sham surgery on them and/or stage some kind of ironic comeuppance. |
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Post by Corvo on Feb 17, 2023 13:59:56 GMT
I'm reading the exchanged looks as a simple "You patched her up ok, good work!" and "Right?! Thanks!". Or something along these lines.
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Post by noone3 on Feb 17, 2023 14:31:46 GMT
Can't remember Annie being so medically inclined. Do I need another reread from the start? I had to google butterfly stitch.
Also the unspoken character of the tension is uncanny.
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Post by itrogash on Feb 17, 2023 14:43:11 GMT
Can't remember Annie being so medically inclined. Do I need another reread from the start? I had to google butterfly stitch. Also the unspoken character of the tension is uncanny. Well, she is a daughter of a surgeon and spent a lot of her childhood in the hospital, so I'd guess that is the explanation here. Nevertheless, I also found it weird. I'd assume you don't just implant chip under the skin, for it to have functionality Kat is describing I'd guess it would have to be integrated into nervous system somehow, possibly into spinal cord judging by the location of the procedure. This sound like a fairly complex and dangerous procedure, certainly not one I'd entrust to teenagers who have never finished medical school. But I guess Gunniverse runs on similar logic to Star Wars where children are just innately competent in technology for some reason. |
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Post by blahzor on Feb 17, 2023 14:50:53 GMT
and her precision on her fire abilities
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Post by ctso74 on Feb 17, 2023 15:21:32 GMT
I don't know if they put the chip in or not. It would make sense if the did, but I can see it going the other way. That would be one powerful chip to have rattling around in your pocket, Carver.
No matter what they did, the glances and calm dialogs are reminding me of Hitchcock's “Bomb Under the Table” Analogy. No matter what Annie and Paz decided, Tom is subtly cranking up the suspense. Either the chip will activate in Kat, Kat will eventually discover their ruse and emotionally explode, or the chip will make its way to someone else.
Tic Toc. (pun intended)
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Post by Corvo on Feb 17, 2023 15:55:01 GMT
Can't remember Annie being so medically inclined. Do I need another reread from the start? I had to google butterfly stitch. Also the unspoken character of the tension is uncanny.  |
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Post by rabbit on Feb 17, 2023 16:22:52 GMT
I... honestly hope the chip IS in there and functioning. Kat will feel kinda betrayed her two best friends tricked her (instead of outright refusing to help) and made a decision on her behalf, in the grounds of "Kat, you will go insane, murder Zimmy, turn into a huge mecha angel and lose your humanity even though you have up till now achieved flawless bioengineering, are basically are capable of making human bodies out of nothing, and this chip implant is small potatoes compared to everything else you've achieved this far", which, let's be honest, is hella rude. Practically speaking, I doubt this chip will, by itself, have a lot of influence on Kat. Maybe it will open the door for Omega to use Kat, or will alter the robots' perception of Kat. If the New People can now effect ether, maybr THEY will turn Kat into the Mecha Angel. But I think that the chip, by itself, will be kinda harmless. I think their smiles mean that they put a stiff uper lip to face whatsever is coming and that Paz is glad Annie patcher her up properly. I think laaaa is right, the chip has been implanted. It doesn't look like Paz & Annie are exchanging a conniving look so much as experiencing a moment of bonding because they both love Kat. They are both concerned, of course, but they trust her and have decided - albeit with concerns - to support her. This look shared post-procedure seems to me more "we have taken care of her as best we can, now all we can do is hope for a good outcome."
It also feels like the last moment of calm before the storm.
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Post by bedinsis on Feb 17, 2023 17:45:14 GMT
I don't foresee Annie and Paz tricking Kat with a placebo. Last time I checked Paz still owed Annie an apology and Paz agreed to that but was still in the phase of trying to rationalize her behaviour; I don't see her reaching out to Annie while in that phase.
I interpret her smile as "It looks fine to me.".
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Post by Runningflame on Feb 17, 2023 17:54:02 GMT
I see two main theories being advanced here: 1) Annie didn't actually put the chip in, and that's why Paz is smiling now; 2) Annie did put the chip in, and Paz is smiling because Annie did a good job. My question, in either of those cases: How can Paz tell?? There's a bandage over the site. I guess in case 2, she could be seeing that the bandage, and therefore the incision, is fairly small, and the rest of Kat's neck is fine. That's the only explanation I can think of.
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Post by mitten on Feb 17, 2023 18:38:41 GMT
Once again, I feel as if I'm missing something I'm supposed to get. If Annie did put the chip in, then why did she and Paz suddenly go from apprehensive and griefstricken to smiling and relaxed? And if she didn't, then just how is Paz able to tell? The act of touching the bandage seemed significant, but you wouldn't be able to feel a subcutaneous chip through both the stitched up skin and the covering bandage. And if Paz, from her seated position in front of Kat could actually see Annie not putting the chip in, then what was the point of her checking the bandage?
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