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Post by netherdan on Feb 17, 2023 18:53:21 GMT
Mid-thread poll time! If you feel that your friend, even in light of all the weird shit going on every day, am play gods and go too far, then what is the most reasonable and sensible course of action? [ ] Voice your concerns and/or decline to assist them. [ ] Perform sham surgery on them and/or stage some kind of ironic comeuppance. We're talking about Annie here, so "ironic comeuppance" all the way |
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Post by mochakimono on Feb 17, 2023 18:56:58 GMT
On a purely Doylist level, I hope that the chip was implanted. Not because I think it's a good idea, but because I'd feel cheated if the audience had this new element suddenly introduced and spent several pages on it only for it to not actually happen after all and then to move on with no comment.
I'm pretty much thinking, "I don't hope they do the smart thing this time. I hope they do the more interesting thing."
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Post by silicondream on Feb 17, 2023 20:42:45 GMT
Can't remember Annie being so medically inclined. Do I need another reread from the start? I had to google butterfly stitch. She did assist with attaching Tony's new hand. I figure she studied medicine to emulate him when she was a kid, then got some practical experience once she started helping with Kat & Tony's research. |
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Post by maxptc on Feb 17, 2023 22:30:07 GMT
Mid-thread poll time! If you feel that your friend, even in light of all the weird shit going on every day, am play gods and go too far, then what is the most reasonable and sensible course of action? [ ] Voice your concerns and/or decline to assist them. [ ] Perform sham surgery on them and/or stage some kind of ironic comeuppance. The ironic comeuppance because I'm clearly part of a story in this scenario and I'll be damned before I'll be the "I don't think this is a good idea" guy. |
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Post by maxptc on Feb 17, 2023 22:34:42 GMT
On a purely Doylist level, I hope that the chip was implanted. Not because I think it's a good idea, but because I'd feel cheated if the audience had this new element suddenly introduced and spent several pages on it only for it to not actually happen after all and then to move on with no comment. I'm pretty much thinking, "I don't hope they do the smart thing this time. I hope they do the more interesting thing." "But Annie if you didn't install the chip in me, then why did all the old robots rise from the ground?" "Because the real technomancy was in your heart the whole time Kat." Because future Kat has already had future Annie install this chip in past Kats heart. |
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Post by spritznar on Feb 18, 2023 0:01:47 GMT
I see two main theories being advanced here: 1) Annie didn't actually put the chip in, and that's why Paz is smiling now; 2) Annie did put the chip in, and Paz is smiling because Annie did a good job. My question, in either of those cases: How can Paz tell?? There's a bandage over the site. I guess in case 2, she could be seeing that the bandage, and therefore the incision, is fairly small, and the rest of Kat's neck is fine. That's the only explanation I can think of. my guess is that no chip was implanted because there’s no sign of blood through the bandage. i went back to check the last couple panels and there’s possibly no blood anywhere. i thought there was a bloody cotton swab, but that might have been iodine for sterilizing instead |
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Post by spritznar on Feb 18, 2023 0:09:23 GMT
Mid-thread poll time! If you feel that your friend, even in light of all the weird shit going on every day, am play gods and go too far, then what is the most reasonable and sensible course of action? [ ] Voice your concerns and/or decline to assist them. [ ] Perform sham surgery on them and/or stage some kind of ironic comeuppance. [X] Voice your concerns and/or decline to assist them. i don’t think they implanted that chip and i don’t see that going well down the line. i agree that implanting the chip without talking to kat WAY more about the what and why is a bad idea, but if they’re lying about implanting it that’s only a temporary solution and creates new problems (at least that’s what sitcoms taught me) |
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Post by silicondream on Feb 18, 2023 0:23:21 GMT
I don't think that's happened. I think the chip is in, and they've just accepted the situation. Maybe? But if that were the case, going from Paz shedding a tear to completely fine, feels real jarring. Are we missing a page? Paz may be putting a brave face on things; she's (almost) always been good at hiding her negative emotions in public. She probably also feels pretty defeated and isolated, since she was so loyal to the Court and now it's abandoning her. She's losing her job, her friend group, and her professional purpose. Kat is one of the few things she has left, so maybe she's too scared and tired to argue. ...or she really thinks Everything Is Fine. Who knows? Everyone's been acting pretty bizarre for the last couple of chapters. Annie's usually the first to voice her concerns about Kat's welfare or choices, but now.... |
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Post by arf on Feb 18, 2023 5:12:39 GMT
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Post by sosleepy on Feb 18, 2023 6:46:25 GMT
Oh no, going off some other speculation on reddit: If Annie didn't implant the interface, the chip and computer's connection is etheric and Kat believes its there, maybe it will work anyway? Hah that's interesting. Considering that Kat is already on her path to literal godhood this occasion might bring her even closer to it. And be way more dangerous since she will not be limited by the abilities of her computer but only the power of her own belief. |
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Post by sosleepy on Feb 18, 2023 7:03:21 GMT
Annie didn't put the chip in? That's the only way I can see Paz giving her that smile of thanks. I see it now. But then, who gets the chip? I mean, that is sooooo much Chekov armory there... I don't think it's about who gets the chip since they might as well simply destroy it. If reddit theory which was stated earlier is correct and Kat is able to gain chip's power through her sheer belief in its ability to do stuff... the sudden knowledge of it NOT being there is a rather dangerous occasion. Everything she achieved through the power of the chip might just go "poof" at the most inappropriate time. And yeah she will surely feel betrayed if that happens. I can imagine her being simply devastated by that fact. |
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Post by yellowb on Feb 18, 2023 16:17:22 GMT
I see it now. But then, who gets the chip? I mean, that is sooooo much Chekov armory there... I don't think it's about who gets the chip since they might as well simply destroy it. If reddit theory which was stated earlier is correct and Kat is able to gain chip's power through her sheer belief in its ability to do stuff... the sudden knowledge of it NOT being there is a rather dangerous occasion. Everything she achieved through the power of the chip might just go "poof" at the most inappropriate time. And yeah she will surely feel betrayed if that happens. I can imagine her being simply devastated by that fact. People should see Pyradonis's signature more often. In the Gunnerkrigg-verse, things don't become real at the moment someone starts believing them. People have to die and go to ether for their beliefs to have an effect. Edit: And that is only true IF Coyote's theory is true. |
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Post by basser on Feb 18, 2023 16:57:58 GMT
I don't think it's about who gets the chip since they might as well simply destroy it. If reddit theory which was stated earlier is correct and Kat is able to gain chip's power through her sheer belief in its ability to do stuff... the sudden knowledge of it NOT being there is a rather dangerous occasion. Everything she achieved through the power of the chip might just go "poof" at the most inappropriate time. And yeah she will surely feel betrayed if that happens. I can imagine her being simply devastated by that fact. People should see Pyradonis's signature more often. In the Gunnerkrigg-verse, things don't become real at the moment someone starts believing them. People have to die and go to ether for their beliefs to have an effect. Edit: And that is only true IF Coyote's theory is true. That's not stated anywhere ("the world continues to spin" doesn't say much of anything, and what are we to make of Zimmy and others who can change the state of things at will, unless she's just straight dying every time she Birminghams), and Coyote can't knowingly lie. Besides which the robot children are deathless golems with beeps and boops for souls, and Godhead Kat visibly breaks the ether, so there's no reason to think the same rules apply. Kat's also had her Make Things Boring powers this whole time so we can infer that the ether in general affects her differently to most people. |
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Post by yellowb on Feb 18, 2023 17:56:49 GMT
People should see Pyradonis's signature more often. In the Gunnerkrigg-verse, things don't become real at the moment someone starts believing them. People have to die and go to ether for their beliefs to have an effect. Edit: And that is only true IF Coyote's theory is true. That's not stated anywhere ("the world continues to spin" doesn't say much of anything) Except that it is: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p1071www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1072"Upon man's death, his mind is released into the ether." Seems pretty clear to me. You mean beings with etheric abilities? They are examples of what Coyote is talking about. Annie is one: she is part fire elemental, but mostly human. Zimmy is a human "for all intents and purposes", as Jones put it. Zimmy has access to more etheric energy than she can bear, and without Gamma, bad things start manifesting in real life. He is presenting a theory, or a thought experiment. See Jones's and Annie's discussion about it in chapter 40. What? Can you restate that in a more coherent way? You mean Kat can see through etheric "smokes and mirrors". She's also able to read a language that was not designed to be readable by humans. So there's something special about Kat, too. But she needs technology to do what she does, she can't just bend reality at will, like Coyote. |
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Post by sosleepy on Feb 18, 2023 19:11:25 GMT
I don't think it's about who gets the chip since they might as well simply destroy it. If reddit theory which was stated earlier is correct and Kat is able to gain chip's power through her sheer belief in its ability to do stuff... the sudden knowledge of it NOT being there is a rather dangerous occasion. Everything she achieved through the power of the chip might just go "poof" at the most inappropriate time. And yeah she will surely feel betrayed if that happens. I can imagine her being simply devastated by that fact. People should see Pyradonis's signature more often. In the Gunnerkrigg-verse, things don't become real at the moment someone starts believing them. People have to die and go to ether for their beliefs to have an effect. Edit: And that is only true IF Coyote's theory is true. So it means that someone who believes in Kats godhood should die for it to be true huh (a literal sacrifice haha). And what if Kat is still alive and well i wonder? Might she become a living god if so? |
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Post by sosleepy on Feb 18, 2023 19:32:26 GMT
People should see Pyradonis's signature more often. In the Gunnerkrigg-verse, things don't become real at the moment someone starts believing them. People have to die and go to ether for their beliefs to have an effect. Edit: And that is only true IF Coyote's theory is true. That's not stated anywhere ("the world continues to spin" doesn't say much of anything, and what are we to make of Zimmy and others who can change the state of things at will, unless she's just straight dying every time she Birminghams), and Coyote can't knowingly lie. Besides which the robot children are deathless golems with beeps and boops for souls, and Godhead Kat visibly breaks the ether, so there's no reason to think the same rules apply. Kat's also had her Make Things Boring powers this whole time so we can infer that the ether in general affects her differently to most people. Hmmm Zimmy "straight dying every time she Birminghams" made me think... If i remember correctly Zimmy does not sleep like at ALL. So how is she still alive? She really does change and affect reality with the help of Etheric energy. Considering the fact that no human could survive without sleep for so long it might be that she is in some kind of superposition between life and death perhaps? Being a literal hole from wich Ether pours into reality? |
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Post by mturtle7 on Feb 18, 2023 23:30:19 GMT
Looks like these two are up to something sneaky. While I do wish they'd simply TALKED to Kat about how they feel, she's pretty far gone into her own mania and probably wouldn't have listened to a word they had to say. I have a feeling they're gonna do something that demonstrates the real-world consequences of what Kat wants to do, something that will make her realize sometimes the words 'No, you've gone too far' are those she needs to hear. Maybe trap her in some sort of illusion where she sees how she could turn into a techno-goddess who is unable to relate to the people around her any longer? See, I've noticed a number of people saying stuff along those lines, both in these forum threads and in the comments underneath the comic, but how the hell was it established that Kat was "too far gone into her own mania"?!? I'm pretty sure people are just saying that b/c the chapter title has clued them into the fact that that's supposed to be what happens in this chapter, but...based on what we know of Kat's character and behaviour patterns, there's been absolutely no sign that she isn't entirely lucid and open to criticism right now.
Like, sure she hasn't really responded to Annie and Paz's non-smiling faces, but that's such an ambiguous and neutral signal (it could signal disapproval, but it could also signal disinterest, or a any number of other things) that I'd be more worried if she DID express open concern over it. And Kat has been shown in the past to get too absorbed in her work sometimes, but that's only been shown as a concern when it doesn't make her happy - quite a far cry from her current mood, no? And when her work has been shown as a concern, the solution has, sensibly enough, been to talk to her about it! And even if we accept that the mere act of asking someone to implant a computer chip underneath her skin is evidence of "going too far" - I ask you, is it really any worse than using the arrow to mediate Renard's official return to Annie?!? When that happened, Renard immediately starting voicing objections, and while Kat did seem a little offended at that she still responded with clear and logical arguments. So what the heck sets this situation apart?!? Why is Kat suddenly being treated like a dangerous mental patient?!? Argh...
P.S. I'm sorry to say, I think I'm going to try and take a break from the comic, for at least a couple of months. ...And the forum, too, though that's going to be harder. My relationship with the comic has been getting more and more antagonistic and less and less fun lately (e.g. this very post, see above), and while I still love talking with you guys on the forum, I don't really think I can really do so without also keeping up with the comic. Clicking over to this site in my spare time is going to be a tough habit to break, but I think it'll be for the best. So, yeah...see you in April, I guess! I hope the comic becomes a more enjoyable experience for me by then!
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Post by mturtle7 on Feb 18, 2023 23:50:37 GMT
Oh no, going off some other speculation on reddit: If Annie didn't implant the interface, the chip and computer's connection is etheric and Kat believes its there, maybe it will work anyway? Hah that's interesting. Considering that Kat is already on her path to literal godhood this occasion might bring her even closer to it. And be way more dangerous since she will not be limited by the abilities of her computer but only the power of her own belief. I see it now. But then, who gets the chip? I mean, that is sooooo much Chekov armory there... I don't think it's about who gets the chip since they might as well simply destroy it. If reddit theory which was stated earlier is correct and Kat is able to gain chip's power through her sheer belief in its ability to do stuff... the sudden knowledge of it NOT being there is a rather dangerous occasion. Everything she achieved through the power of the chip might just go "poof" at the most inappropriate time. And yeah she will surely feel betrayed if that happens. I can imagine her being simply devastated by that fact. People should see Pyradonis's signature more often. In the Gunnerkrigg-verse, things don't become real at the moment someone starts believing them. People have to die and go to ether for their beliefs to have an effect. Edit: And that is only true IF Coyote's theory is true. That's not stated anywhere ("the world continues to spin" doesn't say much of anything, and what are we to make of Zimmy and others who can change the state of things at will, unless she's just straight dying every time she Birminghams), and Coyote can't knowingly lie. Besides which the robot children are deathless golems with beeps and boops for souls, and Godhead Kat visibly breaks the ether, so there's no reason to think the same rules apply. Kat's also had her Make Things Boring powers this whole time so we can infer that the ether in general affects her differently to most people. Alright fine I'll make ONE more post, but that's it. And that's just because I'm kind of perversely happy to have a chance to use this little block of text in exactly the way I once imagined, when I wrote it back in August last year (and gave it to pyradonis for his signature). "What I hate is that there are two particular Mysterious Things that just keep getting brought up over and over again, and it's always because people are misunderstanding what they mean in the exact same way, and I always feel the inexplicable need to correct them in the exact same way. I am seriously determined now to create two "stock corrections" that I will just copy-paste into a post whenever I feel the need to argue with someone about one of these two things, and be done with it. Here goes: a) Kat's "logic vision", which we first encountered in "Chapter 46: The Realm of the Dead" and later encountered in "Chapter 60: The Other Shore", does not actually apply to everything magic. I know that when we see this ability in play, it really feels like she's just seeing through all the magic, so this is still a perfectly reasonable mistake to make, but I still think it is a mistake. I say this because Kat can still see, for example, Ankou the Psychopomp as exactly the unnatural etheric creature he is. The same holds true for a variety of other magical beings & effects in the comic. I won't try to name every single one of those, the Ankou thing just makes a good example because he's a spooky guy kind of like the ROTD Recordkeeper guy, but Kat was unafraid of that guy while she was afraid of Ankou. The exact nature of Kat's ability is not exactly clear, but the common element between both times we see it in play is that it takes effects that are meant to etherically obfuscate the truth of something by making them look big, complex, and dramatic, and instead it makes Kat see them as simple and mundane things which she can (and does) easily handle with mundane skills. b) Coyote's Great Secret, which was first revealed by Coyote in "Chapter 39: The Great Secret" and is later expounded upon by Jones in "Chapter 40: The Stone", does not actually mean that you can make anything be real just by getting a large group of people to believe in it, nor does it mean everything etheric in the world of Gunnerkrigg comes precisely from a popular myth or legend. I honestly get why one might think this, since "belief magic" is a pretty popular concept in modern media, and both Coyote and Jones' explanation of it really emphasize how much power humans are supposed to have under this theory (and in particular, how scary that power is). However, there are a lot of problems with taking this at face value, not least of which is the fact that the "Great Secret" is nothing more than wild, evidence-free, speculation by Coyote, who is not the most unbiased or trustworthy source of info. But also, Coyote himself in his point that the Ether always exists unto itself, and the only reason etheric stuff resembles human myths is because human souls are absorbed into the ether only when they die. And furthermore, lots of etheric stuff that goes on in the world of Gunnerkrigg is either wholly an original creation of Tom Siddell's, or an old myth with a very original twist on it. For instance, City Fairies have plenty of qualities that aren't normally attributed to fairies by humans, and Coyote does lots of things in the story that are not featured in classical Native American mythology (e.g. committing suicide by wolf). So it stands to reason that even if one was to deliberately convince a very large group of humans of a specific piece of folklore, and then kill those humans so they're absorbed into the Ether, any etheric creatures that may result will probably not exist or act in precisely the way you intended."
(Also: slightly awkward to say this now, but welcome to the forum, sosleepy ! I'm not normally this surly, I swear. Regardless of my, uh, thorough disagreement with your opinion in this particular case, I do hope you have a good time on this forum and don't burn out like I just did. See ya!) |
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Post by hp on Feb 19, 2023 1:00:46 GMT
Oh no, going off some other speculation on reddit: If Annie didn't implant the interface, the chip and computer's connection is etheric and Kat believes its there, maybe it will work anyway?
That would be awesome. One week later Annie stumbles upon Kat pulling holographic runes out oh thin air and teleporting shit. "bu-bu-but... I never implanted the chip"
That's how they discover the robots now have a connection to the ether and have been shaping Kat into the angel they believe her to be
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Post by lurkerbot on Feb 19, 2023 1:42:58 GMT
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Post by sosleepy on Feb 19, 2023 2:18:47 GMT
Hah that's interesting. Considering that Kat is already on her path to literal godhood this occasion might bring her even closer to it. And be way more dangerous since she will not be limited by the abilities of her computer but only the power of her own belief. I don't think it's about who gets the chip since they might as well simply destroy it. If reddit theory which was stated earlier is correct and Kat is able to gain chip's power through her sheer belief in its ability to do stuff... the sudden knowledge of it NOT being there is a rather dangerous occasion. Everything she achieved through the power of the chip might just go "poof" at the most inappropriate time. And yeah she will surely feel betrayed if that happens. I can imagine her being simply devastated by that fact. That's not stated anywhere ("the world continues to spin" doesn't say much of anything, and what are we to make of Zimmy and others who can change the state of things at will, unless she's just straight dying every time she Birminghams), and Coyote can't knowingly lie. Besides which the robot children are deathless golems with beeps and boops for souls, and Godhead Kat visibly breaks the ether, so there's no reason to think the same rules apply. Kat's also had her Make Things Boring powers this whole time so we can infer that the ether in general affects her differently to most people. Alright fine I'll make ONE more post, but that's it. And that's just because I'm kind of perversely happy to have a chance to use this little block of text in exactly the way I once imagined, when I wrote it back in August last year (and gave it to pyradonis for his signature). "What I hate is that there are two particular Mysterious Things that just keep getting brought up over and over again, and it's always because people are misunderstanding what they mean in the exact same way, and I always feel the inexplicable need to correct them in the exact same way. I am seriously determined now to create two "stock corrections" that I will just copy-paste into a post whenever I feel the need to argue with someone about one of these two things, and be done with it. Here goes: a) Kat's "logic vision", which we first encountered in "Chapter 46: The Realm of the Dead" and later encountered in "Chapter 60: The Other Shore", does not actually apply to everything magic. I know that when we see this ability in play, it really feels like she's just seeing through all the magic, so this is still a perfectly reasonable mistake to make, but I still think it is a mistake. I say this because Kat can still see, for example, Ankou the Psychopomp as exactly the unnatural etheric creature he is. The same holds true for a variety of other magical beings & effects in the comic. I won't try to name every single one of those, the Ankou thing just makes a good example because he's a spooky guy kind of like the ROTD Recordkeeper guy, but Kat was unafraid of that guy while she was afraid of Ankou. The exact nature of Kat's ability is not exactly clear, but the common element between both times we see it in play is that it takes effects that are meant to etherically obfuscate the truth of something by making them look big, complex, and dramatic, and instead it makes Kat see them as simple and mundane things which she can (and does) easily handle with mundane skills. b) Coyote's Great Secret, which was first revealed by Coyote in "Chapter 39: The Great Secret" and is later expounded upon by Jones in "Chapter 40: The Stone", does not actually mean that you can make anything be real just by getting a large group of people to believe in it, nor does it mean everything etheric in the world of Gunnerkrigg comes precisely from a popular myth or legend. I honestly get why one might think this, since "belief magic" is a pretty popular concept in modern media, and both Coyote and Jones' explanation of it really emphasize how much power humans are supposed to have under this theory (and in particular, how scary that power is). However, there are a lot of problems with taking this at face value, not least of which is the fact that the "Great Secret" is nothing more than wild, evidence-free, speculation by Coyote, who is not the most unbiased or trustworthy source of info. But also, Coyote himself in his point that the Ether always exists unto itself, and the only reason etheric stuff resembles human myths is because human souls are absorbed into the ether only when they die. And furthermore, lots of etheric stuff that goes on in the world of Gunnerkrigg is either wholly an original creation of Tom Siddell's, or an old myth with a very original twist on it. For instance, City Fairies have plenty of qualities that aren't normally attributed to fairies by humans, and Coyote does lots of things in the story that are not featured in classical Native American mythology (e.g. committing suicide by wolf). So it stands to reason that even if one was to deliberately convince a very large group of humans of a specific piece of folklore, and then kill those humans so they're absorbed into the Ether, any etheric creatures that may result will probably not exist or act in precisely the way you intended."
(Also: slightly awkward to say this now, but welcome to the forum, sosleepy ! I'm not normally this surly, I swear. Regardless of my, uh, thorough disagreement with your opinion in this particular case, I do hope you have a good time on this forum and don't burn out like I just did. See ya!) Oh thanks for the welcome! It was good to read this actually so thanks. I definetly missed a bunch of details because i gulped down this whole comic in a matter of 3 days. So it's good to dispel some misunderstanding i've originally had and get a more clear view on this universe. And if you think about it the whole "believe" thing is pretty shaky even without the information you gave me. If that was the way things are then every religious sect or something like that would pose an immense danger to the world haha. And i'm sorry that you've burnt out. Hope you have a nice break! |
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Post by maxptc on Feb 19, 2023 2:36:41 GMT
So it's good to dispel some misunderstanding i've originally had and get a more clear view on this universe. And if you think about it the whole "believe" thing is pretty shaky even without the information you gave me. If that was the way things are then every religious sect or something like that would pose an immense danger to the world haha.  |
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Post by Runningflame on Feb 19, 2023 5:48:17 GMT
Mid-thread poll time! If you feel that your friend, even in light of all the weird shit going on every day, am play gods and go too far, then what is the most reasonable and sensible course of action? [ ] Voice your concerns and/or decline to assist them. [ ] Perform sham surgery on them and/or stage some kind of ironic comeuppance. The ironic comeuppance because I'm clearly part of a story in this scenario and I'll be damned before I'll be the "I don't think this is a good idea" guy. Well I'll be the "I don't think this is a good idea" guy before I'll be damned. I guess we'd make a good team!  |
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Post by AluK on Feb 19, 2023 12:10:19 GMT
Oh no, going off some other speculation on reddit: If Annie didn't implant the interface, the chip and computer's connection is etheric and Kat believes its there, maybe it will work anyway? I'm going with this, too. The chip is a Focus, an object intended to help channeling etheric power, but not necessary for it. Like the Blinker stone. |
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Post by todd on Feb 19, 2023 12:45:40 GMT
But also, Coyote himself in his point that the Ether always exists unto itself, I think that's an important point, that the ether exists independent of human belief - and thus that it isn't just a case of "humans imagining these things into existence". |
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Post by AluK on Feb 19, 2023 12:50:05 GMT
But also, Coyote himself in his point that the Ether always exists unto itself, I think that's an important point, that the ether exists independent of human belief - and thus that it isn't just a case of "humans imagining these things into existence". And assuming Kat technomagics are mostly etheric in nature, her conjuring up a direct connection to a computer wouldn't be any more "imagining things into existence" than Annie conjuring fire lasers from her fingertips. |
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Post by drmemory on Feb 20, 2023 6:13:25 GMT
I think the chip was implanted, and the look from Paz was because Annie went along with what Kat wanted. Paz isn't really into trying to figure out if things are good for Kat and heading them off if not, she's into doing whatever it takes to make her girlfriend happy. So the chip is in, Paz is happy for now, Kat is still in a manic cycle and possibly being manipulated by the court and/or Omega, and the chip isn't activated yet. We don't know what will happen when she activates it but we do know that neither Annie nor Paz know enough to argue with Kat on a technical level, even if they have a really bad feeling about things. Paz will blame Annie if things go wrong, of course. That's the way she rolls.
Oh. And we still don't know if the chip is what Tom means about Kat going too far, or if it is instead what she DOES with it.  |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Feb 20, 2023 13:09:22 GMT
I don't think that's happened. I think the chip is in, and they've just accepted the situation. Maybe? But if that were the case, going from Paz shedding a tear to completely fine, feels real jarring. Are we missing a page? No, I think the last couple of chapters have just been badly written. |
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Post by silicondream on Feb 23, 2023 13:40:21 GMT
Sure, so does everybody there. The Court's a very intentional community. But Paz eagerly defended Court research ethics, and her "a collection of people, working to do what they think is right" line is the most positive description of the Court we've heard from any student so far. She's not mindlessly loyal or uncritical, but she seems to value the Court in the way a political moderate generally values their home country. I doubt she has any great love for the Court's leadership, but in her eyes they don't define the whole institution. She also has a clique of apparently-baseline human friends, and doubtless she shares her family's gratitude for buying them a house. (Let's just hope there aren't memory-wipe devices built into the walls...) I think the Court is a home to her in a way it isn't for most of the etherically sensitive students, and so she's probably exceptionally hurt by its plan to abandon her. |
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