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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 8, 2023 8:08:18 GMT
This thread has a long title but I couldn't resist amplifying the veiled burn. |
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Post by arf on Feb 8, 2023 8:12:30 GMT
What does that mean, indeed?
Kat is acting more and more out of character, here.
Has the Court already snatched Kat, and left a doppelganger?
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Post by laaaa on Feb 8, 2023 8:12:45 GMT
She could ask ANNIES'S DAD, A SURGEON WITH WHOM SHE IS IN GOOD TERMS WITH, WHO DOESN'T ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS, TO DO IT, OR AT LEAST SUPERVISE.
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Post by madjack on Feb 8, 2023 8:20:47 GMT
Kat is acting more and more out of character, here. Has the Court already snatched Kat, and left a doppelganger? Maybe not the Court, but thinking back to Zimmy's tendency to believe everything bad that happens to her is deserved, wildspec-ish but I'm wondering if this isn't a push by Zimmy to make the idea Kat will kill her a self-fulfilling prophecy. Jack and Jenny started acting weird too. Paz hasn't lost that frown on her face either. |
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Post by philman on Feb 8, 2023 8:24:41 GMT
What does that mean, indeed? Kat is acting more and more out of character, here. Has the Court already snatched Kat, and left a doppelganger? Is she acting out of character though? Trusting more and more in machines, wanting a smoother interface, none of these seem especially out of character, just taking things to extremes in various steps. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 8, 2023 8:24:58 GMT
What does that mean, indeed? Kat is acting more and more out of character, here. Has the Court already snatched Kat, and left a doppelganger? I think Kat is just needling Antimony and flattering Paz a bit so that they'll agree to do it. Maybe it's a little manipulative but it probably does represent her feelings regarding how Paz and Antimony fit into her life. As someone else observed, it Kat asked any of the adults they'd probably either stop her or ask too many questions, and I think the robots would make it weird if she asked them. Interesting that you mention the Court kidnapping Kat, though, since I was just about to write a wild spec on that in the wild spec thread. It will be a longish post but the tl;dr for it would be, "Omega should have prophesied Kat's involvement with Omega and the Court is probably waiting for it to come to fruition and then swoop in and snatch Kat. We're not quite there yet since this is just the interface going in but soon." |
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Post by basser on Feb 8, 2023 8:50:33 GMT
Kat could literally grow herself an extra pair of arms and handle this business with a mirror.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 8, 2023 8:55:21 GMT
Kat could literally grow herself an extra pair of arms and handle this business with a mirror. Meh. That'd ruin the commemorative aspect. I guess it's like getting ears pierced. Sure, you could do it at home alone but... |
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Post by shadow3 on Feb 8, 2023 9:25:05 GMT
ANNIE: Heeeeeeeeehhhhhh??? 
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Post by aline on Feb 8, 2023 10:40:51 GMT
Kat is acting more and more out of character, here. Has the Court already snatched Kat, and left a doppelganger? I keep going back to the idea that she is being manipulated by a much worse version of herself, from a separate timeline or at least a potential future, and that's pushing to come into being in this timeline. Kat has already manipulated timelines, including influencing her own path by making her mother find the workshop. Both Zimmy and Annie saw... that www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1049 so it is in some way Kat, at least a potential Kat Not to mention what the robots see when they call her "angel" Maybe the weird addition to Robot's CPU was added by other!Kat so Robot would influence her on that path, including the whole stunt with the boat Edit: I just noticed the very ominous note below the full page of "how Zimmy sees Kat". It says "One day, Zimmy". Like that being is quietly telling her to wait for her hour to come. Poor Zimmy. No wonder she's freaking out. |
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Post by Corvo on Feb 8, 2023 11:17:21 GMT
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Post by csj on Feb 8, 2023 11:31:21 GMT
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Post by AluK on Feb 8, 2023 11:51:02 GMT
"Omega should have prophesied Kat's involvement with Omega and the Court is probably waiting for it to come to fruition and then swoop in and snatch Kat. We're not quite there yet since this is just the interface going in but soon." What if... Kat is Omega? |
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Post by laaaa on Feb 8, 2023 12:24:11 GMT
What if Zimmy would have survived had Kat LEFT for the new planet?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 8, 2023 12:48:02 GMT
"Omega should have prophesied Kat's involvement with Omega and the Court is probably waiting for it to come to fruition and then swoop in and snatch Kat. We're not quite there yet since this is just the interface going in but soon." What if... Kat is Omega? Since there is time travel and alternate universes, at least sometimes, in the comic I can't rule out that Omega is Kat but since Omega appears to preexist the Kat we know I think it can at best be another state of Kat. The Court-predicted Kat might be a final component or perfected form of Omega but thanks to Antimony that Kat probably doesn't exist in the current time-line. Also, thanks to retroactive causality I think we can say some things about any potential alternate-Kats in this time-line, like that she/they probably aren't evil and will likely thoroughly frustrate the Court's designs, or if not they'll fail. |
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Post by stef1987 on Feb 8, 2023 13:06:59 GMT
Paz face looks to me like she's gonna break up with Kat over this, and I don't really blame her
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Post by guntherkrieg on Feb 8, 2023 14:18:21 GMT
Is Paz literally just human wallpaper at this point? It seems like Tom gets into a habit of treating character's partners as accessories that occasionally get mad at Annie to create story conflict.
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Post by maxptc on Feb 8, 2023 14:19:48 GMT
"I mean all the robots were willing, but they keep chanting and talking about the great rebirthing when I brought it up. Was a little unsettling. Anyways get cutting Annie."
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Post by guntherkrieg on Feb 8, 2023 14:29:06 GMT
She could ask ANNIES'S DAD, A SURGEON WITH WHOM SHE IS IN GOOD TERMS WITH, WHO DOESN'T ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS, TO DO IT, OR AT LEAST SUPERVISE. Tony: "seems like a great surrogate parenting thing to do!" |
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Post by aline on Feb 8, 2023 14:33:41 GMT
Since there is time travel and alternate universes, at least sometimes, in the comic I can't rule out that Omega is Kat but I since Omega appears to preexist the Kat we know I think it can at best be another state of Kat. The Court-predicted Kat might be a final component or perfected form of Omega but thanks to Antimony that Kat probably doesn't exist in the current time-line. Also, thanks to retroactive causality I think we can say some things about any potential alternate-Kats in this time-line, like that she/they probably aren't evil and will likely thoroughly frustrate the Court's designs, or if not they'll fail. If Kat is supposed to become Omega, would it not explain why the court was so pissed at Antimony? Because they somehow knew Annie's existence was threatening the appearance of Omega, even if they don't fully understand why? Gamma said Annie put Kat on "a better path". And then they dragged Tony back to the court, where he ended up helping Kat advance her New Robot project. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 8, 2023 15:27:37 GMT
Since there is time travel and alternate universes, at least sometimes, in the comic I can't rule out that Omega is Kat but I since Omega appears to preexist the Kat we know I think it can at best be another state of Kat. The Court-predicted Kat might be a final component or perfected form of Omega but thanks to Antimony that Kat probably doesn't exist in the current time-line. Also, thanks to retroactive causality I think we can say some things about any potential alternate-Kats in this time-line, like that she/they probably aren't evil and will likely thoroughly frustrate the Court's designs, or if not they'll fail. If Kat is supposed to become Omega, would it not explain why the court was so pissed at Antimony? Because they somehow knew Annie's existence was threatening the appearance of Omega, even if they don't fully understand why? Gamma said Annie put Kat on "a better path". And then they dragged Tony back to the court, where he ended up helping Kat advance her New Robot project. It's tough to say because Antimony gave the Court plenty of reasons to be pissed at Antimony. Doing as she pleased in the Wood might stir up Coyote and skipping detentions would be a bad influence on the other students in general even if Kat didn't exist. One would think that if the Court thought Antimony's influence was so bad on something so critical as Omega they'd do something to separate Kat and Antimony. It's true that Antimony got held back a year for academic dishonesty but that wouldn't keep her from hanging out with Kat outside of school... but I suppose they could have thought that half-measure was enough and they didn't want to risk Omega's bad graces later down the road. I just find it tough to believe because there's so much more they could have done to keep the girls completely apart. With housing and scheduling alone I think they could have arranged things so that the two could nearly never meet... but then again, exercising authority to do stuff like that could have made other people in the Court notice they're up to something and start sniffing around. Lat me ask this: Has the current Omega been doing things Kat (or future-Kat) would want? If Omega was Kat all along and Omega knew Antimony was going to die/nearly die on the bridge that night she fell off, why not craft the prediction so that the Court would be more interested in protecting Antimony even if Omega believed Antimony's death was somehow 100% inevitable? Alternate-reality Kat would, I'd think, be obsessed with trying to save Antimony and I don't think she would lose anything in the attempt. Even if Omega wanted to protect her/its credibility for some more important opportunity in the future she/it still wound up being inaccurate anyway. As it was, Antimony was written off by the Court as doomed; one could argue that was the point and Omega by doing as she/it did has Dr. Strange'd things so that Antimony could wander around unsupervised all that time, and later move Kat in the direction of etheric science... but if you've got the Court believing in and acting on your word, couldn't that have been done without the fall from the bridge just by Omega saying that Kat and Antimony needed to be friends and allowed space? |
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Post by ctso74 on Feb 8, 2023 15:58:48 GMT
I take it, Kat has never cut her own hair. My head-cannon is that she has, and it was an utter disaster. The reason she's not using a mirror to do it herself, is the terrifying memory of the diagonal faux-hawk, that she had to live with for weeks.
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Post by Gemminie on Feb 8, 2023 17:42:25 GMT
After Kat's explanation, Annie's reaction is the same; she doesn't want to do something this risky to her friend. Kat goes on to explain why she picked Paz and Annie, sort of ... she can't do it herself, she doesn't trust the robots to do it, Annie is ... good with a scalpel? (Is Coyote's tooth a scalpel of sorts?) And Paz ... makes up for Annie's bedside manner? Annie asks what she means by that, which keeps the tone light, but what does she mean? Annie can be pretty clinical and emotionless, at times, but she doesn't seem to be like that most of the time, not anymore. Paz is compassionate, though, so maybe that's what Kat means.
Will they do it? I think Kat will manage to convince them. But if they don't do it, what will Kat do? Will she get the robots to do it? What about Juliette and Arthur, or have they already left, as they've wanted to do for a long time? What about Tony? Would she ask him? He'd be the best choice, as he's already been trained as a surgeon.
Exactly when does Kat go too far? Has she already?
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Post by csj on Feb 8, 2023 17:57:48 GMT
Is Paz literally just human wallpaper at this point? It seems like Tom gets into a habit of treating character's partners as accessories that occasionally get mad at Annie to create story conflict. Nonsense, I am sure that if my girlfriend starts saying weird stuff and asks someone I don't trust to turn them into a cyborg the first thing I would do is stare blankly or gawk like they're a slightly racist relative being cringe. |
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Post by drmemory on Feb 8, 2023 18:24:29 GMT
Intuitive leap: Annie will want to use her Coyote-sword because it so so sharp. Loup will appear for some reason, which will cause some freaking out, leading to Coyote's prediction being fulfilled.
On a slightly more serious note, Kat becoming Omega does seem pretty plausible right now, but I still feel like she's being manipulated here. For example, perhaps it is Omega manipulating her to think this chip is a good idea, so it can take her over.
What I hope will happen: Annie will refuse to cut open her friend. Manipulation and Zimmy scenarios aside, some really bad things are going on here and I hope she can sense that!
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Post by bedinsis on Feb 8, 2023 18:25:19 GMT
What was the subheading for this chapter again?
"In which Kat goes too far"
Given that Paz seems to mostly be in stunned silence and Annie seems to be thinking this is a bad idea I assume the subheading refers to this idea, but there's a part of me that thinks it would be funny if they perform this operation but calling to question Annie's bedside manner is the thing that is "going too far".
I wonder if Kat actually has turned to Tony or any others and been refused and this is a last attempt to get this operation under way.
Sidenote: has Kat ever insulted Annie before? I found that VERY uncharacteristic.
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Post by drmemory on Feb 8, 2023 22:00:44 GMT
What was the subheading for this chapter again? "In which Kat goes too far" Given that Paz seems to mostly be in stunned silence and Annie seems to be thinking this is a bad idea I assume the subheading refers to this idea, but there's a part of me that thinks it would be funny if they perform this operation but calling to question Annie's bedside manner is the thing that is "going too far". I wonder if Kat actually has turned to Tony or any others and been refused and this is a last attempt to get this operation under way. Sidenote: has Kat ever insulted Annie before? I found that VERY uncharacteristic. The only hints I can remember from the past about Annie having good skills with a scalpel were her poster for her science fair proposal and when she cut open the robot bird with portable scissors when stranded after the bridge incident. So I find this all very puzzling. |
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Post by blahzor on Feb 8, 2023 22:31:43 GMT
She could ask ANNIES'S DAD, A SURGEON WITH WHOM SHE IS IN GOOD TERMS WITH, WHO DOESN'T ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS, TO DO IT, OR AT LEAST SUPERVISE. Asking parents for things? Don't you know this is a 90's film |
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Post by OGRuddawg on Feb 9, 2023 0:45:00 GMT
She could ask ANNIES'S DAD, A SURGEON WITH WHOM SHE IS IN GOOD TERMS WITH, WHO DOESN'T ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS, TO DO IT, OR AT LEAST SUPERVISE. Since she's trying to investigate the Omega device and Tony has clearly not severed ties with the Court, I highly doubt he would agree to help Kat potentially interfere. Unless Tony actively rejects the Court, the idea to go to him for this is a non-starter. Also, Tony has asked many questions beforehand (pun intended). He abandoned his daughter for years in an attempt to answer some of his questions about Surma and fire elementals. He also did a bunch of research into Annie's dealings with the Forest after his return. We don't even know if he was invited to travel the star ocean or what his choice would be. I'd wager he would decline since Annie can't go, but that hasn't been confirmed in-story. |
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Post by Isildur on Feb 9, 2023 4:15:31 GMT
What was the subheading for this chapter again? "In which Kat goes too far" Given that Paz seems to mostly be in stunned silence and Annie seems to be thinking this is a bad idea I assume the subheading refers to this idea, but there's a part of me that thinks it would be funny if they perform this operation but calling to question Annie's bedside manner is the thing that is "going too far". I wonder if Kat actually has turned to Tony or any others and been refused and this is a last attempt to get this operation under way. Sidenote: has Kat ever insulted Annie before? I found that VERY uncharacteristic. The only hints I can remember from the past about Annie having good skills with a scalpel were her poster for her science fair proposal and when she cut open the robot bird with portable scissors when stranded after the bridge incident. So I find this all very puzzling. You're forgetting www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2075Edit: Tom's page comment was "She mainly helped holding things" but that quip can't necessarily be taken as canon. |
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