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Post by philman on Sept 16, 2022 7:29:20 GMT
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Post by Gemini Jim on Sept 16, 2022 7:32:15 GMT
I trust Lana less than I trust Loup. |
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Post by stef1987 on Sept 16, 2022 7:50:30 GMT
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Post by laaaa on Sept 16, 2022 8:25:31 GMT
THIS IS FREAKING ME OUT
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Post by mochakimono on Sept 16, 2022 8:58:51 GMT
Whoa nelly x2
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Post by speedwell on Sept 16, 2022 8:59:51 GMT
[In which Speedwell throws up her hands and goes and has a Bloody Mary for breakfast.]
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Post by cassini on Sept 16, 2022 9:25:04 GMT
Jerrek ought be careful, it wasn't defined what would constitute "harm to the Newly Awakened" in Robot's deal. He never specified it had to be physical.
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Post by blahzor on Sept 16, 2022 9:46:23 GMT
man Lana must have fast forward through some movies or watched "not another NP movie"
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Post by pylgrimm on Sept 16, 2022 10:41:59 GMT
Almost sure now that my prediction that Robot set Loup up with their deal is correct. Robot must have noticed Lana's attraction toward him and knew he'd break her heart. Pretty sure that it will count as breaking the "no harm come to robots" clause.
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Post by crater on Sept 16, 2022 11:02:53 GMT
GOD, I love everywhere Loup is taking us. I agree with the creepy mouse girl, everything about Loup is awesome
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Post by puntino on Sept 16, 2022 11:35:05 GMT
I am just... so lost with the direction this specific plot with Lana is going.
So Jerrek overpowers loup's will only when he cares about the target of his attention?
I understand that the whole uncanny valley thing might just a well be a device used by Tom to better represent a incomplete transition of a robot to "humanship", but still. It is very uncomfortable whatching Lana do whatever it is that's she's doing.
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Post by pylgrimm on Sept 16, 2022 13:06:52 GMT
So Jerrek overpowers loup's will only when he cares about the target of his attention? It's not that Jerrek overpowers him. It is the problem with transformation, as Coyote explained a while ago: The more you remain in a different form than your own, the more you get used to it and the more you think and behave like that thing instead of like yourself. It's possible to eventually become completely lost and fully become that other thing. |
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Post by ctso74 on Sept 16, 2022 13:23:55 GMT
I'm thinking she's a plant by Robot, or she's an unfortunate dup that Robot is using to trap Loup, into breaking a verbal contract.
If her heart is really in it, poor Lana.
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Post by philman on Sept 16, 2022 13:36:05 GMT
I'm thinking she's a plant by Robot, or she's an unfortunate dup that Robot is using to trap Loup, into breaking a verbal contract. If her heart is really in it, poor Lana. It wouldn't surprise me if we see a flashback with Robot saying "Oh Lana, have you read this book on human love" and gives her some romance fanfic with people falling in love with someone treating them really badly. |
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Post by aline on Sept 16, 2022 13:42:09 GMT
I am just... so lost with the direction this specific plot with Lana is going. I think this is supposed, somehow to end up with Loup / Jerrek caring about the well-being of people who are Not Him (he was already protective of Lana earlier and then he found himself unable to harm Annie who he supposedly no longer needs). And maybe also him experiencing some degree of care and love himself. But Lana's intensity is a bit... much. |
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Post by Corvo on Sept 16, 2022 13:56:45 GMT
Teenage drama... Yessir, there's no chance it can go wrong in any way!
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Post by crater on Sept 16, 2022 13:59:45 GMT
Almost sure now that my prediction that Robot set Loup up with their deal is correct. Robot must have noticed Lana's attraction toward him and knew he'd break her heart. Pretty sure that it will count as breaking the "no harm come to robots" clause. Robot is all about robot empowerment. I don't think he'd allow his NuRobots to appear so fragile that they cannot live with a broken heart. He would be forfeit the most human experience possible. |
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Post by Gemminie on Sept 16, 2022 14:44:45 GMT
Jerrek is taken completely by surprise by Lana's sudden confession, but she doubles down. She wants him all to herself. Or her New People syntho-hormones do, anyway.
Loup, on the other hand, is also surprised, but immediately sees a way to use this to his advantage, not that he shares that with the readers or anything. What will he do? We'll have to wait and see, of course. But it doesn't sound as if he's going to have Jerrek run away or refuse; it sounds as if his response will be to manipulate. What will he use Lana to accomplish, and how?
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Post by Nnelg on Sept 16, 2022 17:15:30 GMT
Almost sure now that my prediction that Robot set Loup up with their deal is correct. Robot must have noticed Lana's attraction toward him and knew he'd break her heart. Pretty sure that it will count as breaking the "no harm come to robots" clause. Robot is all about robot empowerment. I don't think he'd allow his NuRobots to appear so fragile that they cannot live with a broken heart. He would be forfeit the most human experience possible. Harm can be less than fatal. |
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Post by drmemory on Sept 17, 2022 0:05:15 GMT
If the Jer(re)k thinks he's going to use Lana to make Annie jealous, he's about to learn how fast she can go emotionless.
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Post by maxptc on Sept 17, 2022 2:27:44 GMT
If the Jer(re)k thinks he's going to use Lana to make Annie jealous, he's about to learn how fast she can go emotionless. I think Annie being super supportive and happy is as likely, and could be what Loup expects. If Annie thinks "Jerrek" isn't really interested, she will be disarmed and less concerned about the whole situation. It's hard to say how much Loup knows. I dunno what Loup thinks Annies response will be, partly because I'm not sure he how much he is aware of. Is he fully aware of his crush, let alone that it's kind of known to Annie? Does he think Annie is attracted to his disguise? I dont know if I believe he is planing to make her jealous, since I don't see how that being productive to his current gambit. Still, Loup is rather creative and has unconventional plans, so upseting her being his plan also works. The real motive could be his feelings and being a jerk sure, but the motivation he tells himself is "throwing her off" instead. How I take this update depends on how aware of the teen drama Loup is, which is hard for me to judge. He might not be thinking about how this will affect Annie at all, but has a diffent idea of how to make use of Lana. |
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Post by Pig_catapult on Sept 17, 2022 4:32:22 GMT
I agree that Lana is speedrunning personal intimacy here, but given the real-time investment per page, I can't say I mind from a pacing perspective. She's neat, but I don't want to spend 2-3 weeks waiting for her to make a nuanced and heartfelt love confession when it seems like a foregone conclusion that Jerrek/Lana is going to crash and burn. I wanna see what happens when they try going to the star ocean.
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Post by rylfrazier on Sept 17, 2022 5:02:43 GMT
This feels very much like what it would look like if AI creatures tried to mimic human behavior based on observing teens
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Post by blahzor on Sept 17, 2022 10:25:16 GMT
I agree that Lana is speedrunning personal intimacy here, but given the real-time investment per page, I can't say I mind from a pacing perspective. She's neat, but I don't want to spend 2-3 weeks waiting for her to make a nuanced and heartfelt love confession when it seems like a foregone conclusion that Jerrek/Lana is going to crash and burn. I wanna see what happens when they try going to the star ocean. Teenage Love Done Quick: gunnerkrigg edition |
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 17, 2022 10:34:22 GMT
Loup seems to be trying really hard to remind himself that he's the bad guy here. Almost sure now that my prediction that Robot set Loup up with their deal is correct. Robot must have noticed Lana's attraction toward him and knew he'd break her heart. Pretty sure that it will count as breaking the "no harm come to robots" clause. I'm thinking she's a plant by Robot, or she's an unfortunate dup that Robot is using to trap Loup, into breaking a verbal contract. If her heart is really in it, poor Lana. Where would be the advantage for S13 in doing this? Their deal was only about staying out of each other's business, and he promised not to tell anyone Jerrek is Loup in disguise. What would he gain by making Loup involuntarily break their deal? If he wanted to tell anyone about Loup's disguise he could have just done so without even speaking to him once. Just tell Annie & Co. this guy here is not a real NP, capture him. While if Loup gets captured now, chances are good Loup will then everyone about S13 making a deal with him. No, it's in S13's best interest if Loup remains undetected. |
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Post by pylgrimm on Sept 17, 2022 11:30:07 GMT
Loup seems to be trying really hard to remind himself that he's the bad guy here. Almost sure now that my prediction that Robot set Loup up with their deal is correct. Robot must have noticed Lana's attraction toward him and knew he'd break her heart. Pretty sure that it will count as breaking the "no harm come to robots" clause. I'm thinking she's a plant by Robot, or she's an unfortunate dup that Robot is using to trap Loup, into breaking a verbal contract. If her heart is really in it, poor Lana. Where would be the advantage for S13 in doing this? Their deal was only about staying out of each other's business, and he promised not to tell anyone Jerrek is Loup in disguise. What would he gain by making Loup involuntarily break their deal? If he wanted to tell anyone about Loup's disguise he could have just done so without even speaking to him once. Just tell Annie & Co. this guy here is not a real NP, capture him. While if Loup gets captured now, chances are good Loup will then everyone about S13 making a deal with him. No, it's in S13's best interest if Loup remains undetected. There's no profit to be had. Robot cares for people and knows Loup is up to no good. The deal was a trap to make Loup reveal himself. As an etheric being, his contracts are magically binding so it's likely that breaking it will invoke an automatic penalty in the form of the other part of the contract being void immediately, i.e. revealing Loup's true nature. |
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Post by drmemory on Sept 18, 2022 3:59:50 GMT
I agree there is a possibility that this is, in part, a plot by S13. But I don't quite see the point. Maybe... if Loup violates the agreement, he'll be free to tell on him? Would he really allow one of his NP to be harmed just for that?
I still think there is a small possibility that he has been working with or for the court all along. Maybe that's part of this. There haven't been a lot of clues towards this, but also nothing I can think of contradicts it. For example, Kat is only worried about hiding her activities from the court because Juliet told her she needed to!
We've never seen Robot (or Shadow) comment on this topic, have we? "Don't hurt my people", yes. "Don't tell the court about my people", no.
Another thought: what happens if Loup really wants Jerrek to do something that Jerrek does not want to do? Does he get a choice? Can he resist?
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Post by maxptc on Sept 18, 2022 4:56:52 GMT
I agree there is a possibility that this is, in part, a plot by S13. But I don't quite see the point. Maybe... if Loup violates the agreement, he'll be free to tell on him? Would he really allow one of his NP to be harmed just for that? I still think there is a small possibility that he has been working with or for the court all along. Maybe that's part of this. There haven't been a lot of clues towards this, but also nothing I can think of contradicts it. For example, Kat is only worried about hiding her activities from the court because Juliet told her she needed to! We've never seen Robot (or Shadow) comment on this topic, have we? "Don't hurt my people", yes. "Don't tell the court about my people", no. Another thought: what happens if Loup really wants Jerrek to do something that Jerrek does not want to do? Does he get a choice? Can he resist?
Another interesting idea. Im not very confident Robot has a secret reason for his deal, but I can sort of see Robot having a hidden plan, has already told someone and is trying to play Loup. Since that someone isn't Annie or Kat, the Court and other Seraphs are about the only logical options. But like you said, to what end? Maybe they still need Loup and this is a last ditch effort by the court? Maybe the Seraphs are trying to convert Kat into MechaKat? As for the later question, I don't think Jerrek exists as more then a disguise and the whole "becoming the mask you wear" might getting interpreted to litterally. Loup may just be a jerk. |
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Post by TBeholder on Sept 18, 2022 8:41:58 GMT
Self-education based on doujins confirmed. :]
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Post by Pig_catapult on Sept 18, 2022 8:51:26 GMT
Another thought: what happens if Loup really wants Jerrek to do something that Jerrek does not want to do? Does he get a choice? Can he resist?
Well, the goose-by-a-lake thing is Coyote getting too immersed in roleplaying as a dead goose, right? If Jerrek is a character Loup is LARPing, it makes sense that he has his own internal voice, and character muses can gain a figurative "mind of their own" when you get into the swing of writing them. This is a bit more literal, but I think the result would be the same: At the end of the day, Jerrek does, says, and thinks things because Loup decided he did. Loup is 100% the kind of roleplayer who'd abdicate all responsibility onto his characters when they cause problems, though. |
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