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Post by philman on Jun 27, 2022 7:03:03 GMT
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Post by silicondream on Jun 27, 2022 7:21:45 GMT
In Eglamore's defense, a handsome beard can easily be stitched onto any plush toy.
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Post by flowsthead on Jun 27, 2022 7:38:35 GMT
That fourth panel added with the last panel gave me slight romantic vibes. Not that it has to be romantic on any level, it just could easily be repurposed that way.
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Post by madjack on Jun 27, 2022 7:45:13 GMT
Last page opened with anger, now we have bargaining and depression. No real room for denial.
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Post by arf on Jun 27, 2022 8:04:45 GMT
Where could Rey get a new body from?
I can't imagine.
(He seems to have been pretty comfortable in Surma's construct for the past 5-6 years. Still, I suppose there's no place like genome.)
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Post by basser on Jun 27, 2022 8:06:25 GMT
Gosh if only you guys knew someone who could grow bodies.
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Post by lamissquichante on Jun 27, 2022 8:30:33 GMT
Gosh if only you guys knew someone who could grow bodies. So I guess Rey's body really is gone, then? I mean, could/did Annie and Rey "feel" that it was really Rey's body that was burned to crisps? It is still "possible" that it was just an illusion, right? But maybe the story is leaning more towards the "Kat makes a new body for Rey"-scheme... (Also, to illustrate that Loup has really lost his marbles, and did in fact burn Rey's body. And to show us, that, despite that, (at least to me) the Jerrick-Loup-version seems "kinda nice/ok" - that doesn't change the fact that Loup is cray-cray and utterly unpredictable...) |
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Post by bicarbonat on Jun 27, 2022 8:48:51 GMT
Gosh if only you guys knew someone who could grow bodies. (Assuming this is real) It hits a bit differently in this case, though. The Robots never really had "bodies" as we know them – not just talking about organic matter, although that's been a crucial factor. They didn't come into being with a body that was solely theirs; we saw how easily robots are recalled and their bodies are scrapped and swapped out, like placing a SIM card in a different phone. Inasmuch as "the mind is the body's plaything" (IIRC), this was Renard's own, original body. He wasn't like the forest changelings who were eager to have theirs slain/destroyed for a new organic one, either. Even if Kat does her deftest work for him, knowing that his body exists nowhere in the world will probably hurt deeply. And if the mind really is the body's plaything, Renard has also lost that version of himself, the mannerisms and ways of experiencing the world around him – small things, but all part of his earliest self. That is a version that predates Annie, Surma, the Court, even his dealings with Coyote. It was truly his alone. |
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Jun 27, 2022 9:26:43 GMT
Nope, still not buying it. Loup is a cruel creature, but he should've known truly doing this would be absolutely detrimental to his cause.
And even in case it IS true... Coyote can probably just.... make Rey a new body, or pluck the old one from a memory he had about it and bring it into the present. That is, hoping that Coyote actually comes back, of course.
Just had a weird thought: if Coyote's dead, was there a psychopomp to bring him into the afterlife?
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Post by blahzor on Jun 27, 2022 10:09:58 GMT
Those 2 are crying... Guess nothing happened. Wanna play 2 on 2 basketball Carver?
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Post by blahzor on Jun 27, 2022 10:31:00 GMT
Gosh if only you guys knew someone who could grow bodies. I don't think they know the creator of Chia Pets |
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Post by csj on Jun 27, 2022 10:36:27 GMT
Last page opened with anger, now we have bargaining and depression. No real room for denial. annie's in denial judging by the 'somehow', bargaining is what loup wants (but probably won't get) |
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Post by heranje on Jun 27, 2022 10:46:54 GMT
The idea of Kat growing a new body for Renard (which I think we're all thinking) is very interesting. Does growing a body for a god/etheric being require something different than growing bodies for mechanic beings? Will this trigger the next step in Kat's research (and potential path to Godhood herself)?
The fact that Renard already possesses the ability to inhabit something as simple as a plush toy suggests that he could be just fine taking on a standard New People suit, but will the gang instead aim to recreate his original body? Or will he, The Fox Who Loved A Human Woman, take the opportunity to finally become humanoid without having to kill anyone?
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Post by Corvo on Jun 27, 2022 13:15:27 GMT
Just to point out the obvious: 1) Kat makes a new body. 2) A new body is grown in one of the vat tanks the Court uses for new forest students. 3) They make a clone using DNA, either from Rey's original body or from some random fox. 4) Body rescued by time traveling. 5) "Shifting" Renard's body, much like what happened to Annie.6) Convincing Loup (maybe striking a bargain of some kind?) to bring the body back. 7) Asking Coyote to bring the body back. 8) Analysing creatures with the power to bring the body back and either using their power or replicating it with Katechnology to bring the body back. And before anyone says anything in the likes of "But they can't do that!", I say they are resourceful and can find a way. |
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Post by blahzor on Jun 27, 2022 13:34:07 GMT
The idea of Kat growing a new body for Renard (which I think we're all thinking) is very interesting. Does growing a body for a god/etheric being require something different than growing bodies for mechanic beings? Will this trigger the next step in Kat's research (and potential path to Godhood herself)? The fact that Renard already possesses the ability to inhabit something as simple as a plush toy suggests that he could be just fine taking on a standard New People suit, but will the gang instead aim to recreate his original body? Or will he, The Fox Who Loved A Human Woman, take the opportunity to finally become humanoid without having to kill anyone? well the only requirement of the new body is that it has eye's so he can transfer into |
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Post by Gemminie on Jun 27, 2022 15:10:40 GMT
As Annie tries to comfort Renard, James comes up to them, seemingly somewhat upset, demanding to know what's going on, but Parley urges him to pause and give them a moment to recover. Annie's trying to console Renard with the possibility of getting his original body back somehow, to which Renard doesn't respond (on this page). We leave things with the two of them still sad.
Of course James is upset; this implies that Renard has had contact with Loup, the being he's been hunting assiduously through the wilderness for, without telling him. But James is demanding that Annie tell him what's going on. I suppose she'd be the one responsible, as the person who's supposed to be in control of Renard's behavior. So that sort of makes sense. And James isn't upset to the point that Parley can't convince him to slow down for a moment until Annie's somewhat recovered from what just happened.
Annie's not even mentioning the possibility that what they just saw might have been a trick – illusion, simulacrum, ordinary fox – or that other bodies could be constructed for Renard. It's not as if he'd even need a New Person body – an elaborate technological process needs to happen that transfers the consciousness of a robot from its previous CPU into the new brain, but Renard wouldn't need that. Kat could make a body without a brain, and Renard could inhabit it, as long as it had eyes. Loup could even create a new body for Renard if he could be persuaded to do so (assuming that was his original body that just got destroyed.) But of course that's not the point right now; the point is that Renard was obviously sentimentally attached to his original body. He must have known that it was at risk as long as it was in Loup's possession, but even so, this could still come as a shock.
But Renard's future isn't really jeopardized by this. As we've said, even if that was Renard's real original body, he has other options, and he still has his current body. There's nothing he's been doing since the end of chapter 3 that he can't still do. But this might be an impetus for Renard to start thinking about a change of appearance, a new home. He'd stay Annie's familiar if he changed bodies, I think; that appears to be an ethereal connection now, since chapter 71. But I doubt he'd leave the body Surma made unless he had to for some reason. Still, this might get him thinking about having a backup ready.
The conversation with James promises to be interesting, when it happens.
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Post by ctso74 on Jun 27, 2022 15:17:31 GMT
Gosh if only you guys knew someone who could grow bodies. I don't think they know the creator of Chia Pets I'd say there's at least a cha cha cha chance they know Joe Pedott. I don't think Rey will want Kat to make him a new body. However, if Kat tries to make an Etheric duplicate, she'd have to go deeper into Etheric studies and creation. Her wanting to make a new body might pusher her closer to apotheosis. |
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Post by TBeholder on Jun 27, 2022 15:42:09 GMT
Last page opened with anger, now we have bargaining and depression. No real room for denial. Depends on the specific sequence? See for example “ Five Stages of Van Helsing Viewer” “Malice” may be on the list in this case as well. |
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Post by maxptc on Jun 27, 2022 15:52:30 GMT
We've all been there Rey, it sucks when someone throws out clothing you love even if you never wear it anymore. Just because it has been years since you wore it doesnt mean you wanted it thrown away, more so by someone else. But like people have pointed out, I'm sure someone can tailor him a new outfit that was just like the old one, but better.
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jun 27, 2022 15:56:15 GMT
Just had a weird thought: if Coyote's dead, was there a psychopomp to bring him into the afterlife? I wouldn't want to be the psychopomp to handle that one. Coyote probably psychopomp'd himself, with a bunch of Coyote clones as dancing pallbearers. |
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Post by Angry Individual on Jun 27, 2022 18:11:57 GMT
I am not envious of Renard and his out-of-body experience.
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Post by maxptc on Jun 27, 2022 18:48:03 GMT
Just had a weird thought: if Coyote's dead, was there a psychopomp to bring him into the afterlife? I wouldn't want to be the psychopomp to handle that one. Coyote probably psychopomp'd himself, with a bunch of Coyote clones as dancing pallbearers. I dont think Coyete or Ysengrin have gone into the ether yet, they or their magic energy is combined and makes up Loup. Until Loup dies, they haven't crossed over or truly "died" yet, hence the bit where Coyete recently told Annie she would be killing Loup, Ysengrin and himself when she killed Loup. I also assume Annie will be the guide, should she end up killing Loup, which I'm still not fully convinced she will. |
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Post by Runningflame on Jun 27, 2022 19:13:05 GMT
But I doubt he'd leave the body Surma made unless he had to for some reason. Still, this might get him thinking about having a backup ready. Yeah... after the events of the last few pages, it occurs to me that Renard's current body is probably even more flammable than his previous one. (See also: Hetty.) |
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Post by blahzor on Jun 27, 2022 20:05:17 GMT
Just had a weird thought: if Coyote's dead, was there a psychopomp to bring him into the afterlife? I wouldn't want to be the psychopomp to handle that one. Coyote probably psychopomp'd himself, with a bunch of Coyote clones as dancing pallbearers. imagine his last words, it'd probably just be his entire history so it would take forever |
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Post by heranje on Jun 27, 2022 23:51:11 GMT
well the only requirement of the new body is that it has eye's so he can transfer into And that Renard wants to transfer into it. I'm speculating about what he'll want - a perfect copy of his etheric fox body (assuming the body itself is anything more than a regular fox), a fox body made from the current technology Kat has (which I'm sure could be adapted quite easily), or a humanoid one. |
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Post by alevice on Jun 28, 2022 0:11:06 GMT
What I still dont egt is what did Loup attack to lure annie and renard. Like we only see something on fire, but what
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Post by Eversist on Jun 28, 2022 1:54:06 GMT
Just had a weird thought: if Coyote's dead, was there a psychopomp to bring him into the afterlife? Things are kinda weird with Coyote throwing around the word "dead" a lot, but I think he's not truly dead-dead until Loup is dead, just based on the third panel here: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2497So maybe no need for a psychopomp yet. |
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Post by myzelf on Jun 28, 2022 3:55:55 GMT
I had no idea Renard's body was still alive.
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Post by drmemory on Jun 28, 2022 5:10:44 GMT
I always sort of wondered why Renard was able to control the form of the wolf doll so much. Was he able to do things like that with his original form, or was it something about controlling an inanimate form that allowed it? Coyote could control his form to the nth degree, and Loup can adjust his, but I've never been sure if Renard could do stuff like that. Pretty sure I remember him saying it was easy to take the form of a wolf because it was a wolf toy, but that doesn't really explain his teddy bear form. Maybe it has something to do with the wolf toy being inanimate? But if that's it, what prevents him from making it look like a fox? There must be some reason he needed Coyote's power before he could take over that man. I wouldn't think that would be necessary if he could just shift his original form into a human male (possibly furry). You're welcome for the mental image.  |
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Post by Eversist on Jun 28, 2022 5:23:01 GMT
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