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Post by madjack on Feb 25, 2022 8:32:23 GMT
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Post by arf on Feb 25, 2022 8:34:25 GMT
What does Rey see?
Is that why Annie's looking so serious in the last panel?
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Post by madjack on Feb 25, 2022 8:47:03 GMT
What does Rey see? Is that why Annie's looking so serious in the last panel? Perhaps Rey saw through the disguise in that unguarded moment Loup was having? 4th panel shows him caught by surprise. If so then Annie would be communicating with him and trying to keep it from showing in her face. |
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Post by mochakimono on Feb 25, 2022 8:59:01 GMT
Loup: >:V
Jerrek: >:c
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Post by philman on Feb 25, 2022 9:04:04 GMT
huh, so even Loup doesn't know why he did that. Is this a case of form influences function? Now that he is in the body of a NewPerson, that body influences how he thinks and behaves? We know that when Coyote becomes things he sometimes forgets himself and believes himself to be that thing (A dead goose in a bush).
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Post by madjack on Feb 25, 2022 9:18:23 GMT
huh, so even Loup doesn't know why he did that. Is this a case of form influences function? Now that he is in the body of a NewPerson, that body influences how he thinks and behaves? We know that when Coyote becomes things he sometimes forgets himself and believes himself to be that thing (A dead goose in a bush).
Renard being was facetious there, or was he actually right? |
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Post by frogspawned on Feb 25, 2022 9:55:27 GMT
I don't think he was being facetious. Body chemistry affects the mind because it includes the mind. The healthier you are, the healthier all your processes, every one affecting the other in some way.
What this means for mythical creatures who abandon mutable largely etheric forms for more grounded, physical ones... well, who knows?
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Post by silicondream on Feb 25, 2022 11:50:53 GMT
Peak sympathy for Paz on this page.
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Post by Per on Feb 25, 2022 12:19:35 GMT
Peak sympathy for Paz on this page. Paz is inside the brown grub thing. That is the demo. |
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Post by speedwell on Feb 25, 2022 12:48:34 GMT
What does Rey see? Is that why Annie's looking so serious in the last panel? Perhaps Rey saw through the disguise in that unguarded moment Loup was having? 4th panel shows him caught by surprise. If so then Annie would be communicating with him and trying to keep it from showing in her face. I don't think it's so much that Renard saw something as that he smelled something, that something being whatever New People use for anger hormones. It's very likely that Loup, with exactly zero experience with that kind of body, was and is blindsided by the unfamiliar biochemical system, including the aforementioned hormones. It's interesting because it means that he does not just change his appearance, he becomes the thing. |
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Post by blahzor on Feb 25, 2022 13:00:31 GMT
the demo is Kat made some Robotic Dinosaurs and Annie about to be handed a bow and arrow to take em down it looks like Annie is looking down at Rey b/c they are talking through the link, Rey might smell that Loup doesn't smell like NP's b/c he wouldn't thought that hard to also try and smell like them |
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 25, 2022 15:22:30 GMT
Hmm, Annie doesn't seem as enthusiastic as Kat. Most commenters seem to believe something is going to be demonstrated. I don't know if it has anything to do with the fact that there are political demonstrations in cities all around mine right now, but my mind jumped directly to a political demonstration for NP rights.
Another interesting question though: Earlier this chapter, Loup said he could sense Annie and Renard off in the distance, but a bright light stopped him from going to them directly. Now he and Lana suddenly meet them. Which raises the question, did the light move its location, did L&L walk around it, did the others change their location? Or, wildspec: Is there something more strange at work, and the light stops Loup only when he does not think about it? Or might it even be that Lana is not just "useful" in getting him close to Annie, but her presence is actually required for him to reach Annie/pass through one of the bright lights? |
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Post by fia on Feb 25, 2022 15:50:04 GMT
I suspect Annie noticed Jerry-Loup, but I could be wrong.
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Post by pinegreenjellybean on Feb 25, 2022 15:54:23 GMT
So even Loup isn't sure why he helped Lana. I guess he's starting to lose himself in the Jerrek persona.
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Post by DonDueed on Feb 25, 2022 16:17:35 GMT
I like to think that in those first two panels, angry Lana's NP body is literally emitting bursts of steam.
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Feb 25, 2022 16:25:30 GMT
Nah, Loup can NOT already be found out, nuh-uh. Come one, that's just way too fast, he didn't even do anything yet, except not get his hair cut.
Also, yes Kat, we WOULD like to go to the demo. You mean demoLITION right? We gonna blow stuff up? I love blowing stuff up, big kaBOOM!
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 25, 2022 17:09:54 GMT
I like to think that in those first two panels, angry Lana's NP body is literally emitting bursts of steam. "See, their bodies are actually highly sophisticated clanks..." |
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Post by ctso74 on Feb 25, 2022 18:06:08 GMT
Maybe Annie's concentrating, because she's about to laser the ground out. It could be a demonstration of getting robot CPUs free, that are harder to extract.
Or she's about to scream "LOOOOUP!" while angrily pointing at Jerrek. That would be really strange, but weirder things have happened.
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Post by rabbit on Feb 25, 2022 20:02:55 GMT
Nah, Loup can NOT already be found out, nuh-uh. Come one, that's just way too fast, he didn't even do anything yet, except not get his hair cut. Also, yes Kat, we WOULD like to go to the demo. You mean demoLITION right? We gonna blow stuff up? I love blowing stuff up, big kaBOOM! When I read this post I immediately imagined Kat doing her best Mr. Torgue impression: "I have one question for you: EXPLOSIONS?!?" Thanks for the laugh, it has been a long week. Rabbit needed that. |
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Post by rabbit on Feb 25, 2022 20:12:47 GMT
On a (slightly) more serious note, I can't help but notice the parallels between Lana (and probably all NPs) and Loup.
Loup has Coyote's power, but not his understanding, and therefore cannot control the Forest.
Lana has some knowledge information about social interactions among adolescent men and women, but she lacks the context/experience to control the situations her lack of understanding might create.
And several Gunners have speculated that Loup is somewhat "losing" himself in Jerrek, as Coyote did in the dead goose.
I think DrMemory was right in an earlier thread: "I have a feeling that Loup is currently learning something Coyote wants him to learn."
I am very curious to see how hiding among the NPs affects Loup's understanding of the current situation.
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Post by drmemory on Feb 25, 2022 20:29:23 GMT
On a (slightly) more serious note, I can't help but notice the parallels between Lana (and probably all NPs) and Loup. Loup has Coyote's power, but not his understanding, and therefore cannot control the Forest. Lana has some knowledge information about social interactions among adolescent men and women, but she lacks the context/experience to control the situations her lack of understanding might create. And several Gunners have speculated that Loup is somewhat "losing" himself in Jerrek, as Coyote did in the dead goose. I think DrMemory was right in an earlier thread: "I have a feeling that Loup is currently learning something Coyote wants him to learn." I am very curious to see how hiding among the NPs affects Loup's understanding of the current situation. Thanks, it is looking that way, though the details are still unclear. I suspect it may have something to do with Loup actually experiencing things as humans do, with their emotions playing a role, and not quite understanding why they do things sometimes.
Like, I take panel 3 to show that he is upset that she is upset with him and doesn't understand why. He is really trying to hide out as Jerrek and instinctively jumped in when he thought she was in danger, and can see that it didn't go as well as he would have assumed, and totally doesn't get her reaction.
This has gotta be pretty confusing for the poor guy. "I saved her, but now she's mad at me, but I don't understand why, and I didn't really like her that much anyway!" is rather complex and nuanced for a wolf. Remember when Annie tried to explain the father/cheating situation to Ysengrin? I have to say that current events seem a lot more sophisticated to me. I almost feel like the internal part of panel 3 is showing his mind spinning - a mental "but but but!".
Also, Deus Ex Annie-ma, as predicted!  Suddenly Annie appears! Tho it remains to be seen what will happen as a result.
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Post by drmemory on Feb 25, 2022 20:30:43 GMT
Also, can't wait to see the demo! Assuming things aren't about to get totally de-railed.
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Feb 26, 2022 0:00:06 GMT
Are we in the present or the past right now? I've kinda lost track
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Post by madjack on Feb 26, 2022 2:49:28 GMT
Are we in the present or the past right now? I've kinda lost track Present, his hair is tied back. |
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Post by jda on Feb 26, 2022 4:36:48 GMT
Also, yes Kat, we WOULD like to go to the demo. You mean demoLITION right? Nah, we would like the REAL demo. DemoN SUMMONNING! |
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Post by silicondream on Feb 26, 2022 5:25:17 GMT
Peak sympathy for Paz on this page. Paz is inside the brown grub thing. That is the demo. "Implications. A type of blind, wingless insect that--REYNARD NO!" Why don't I ever get to censor anything good, sighed Lana as she returned." |
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Post by drmemory on Feb 26, 2022 5:59:16 GMT
Are we in the present or the past right now? I've kinda lost track Present. This is happening after Coyote told Loup he needed to find his answers in the court, and that was at the end of the big forest incident and Coyote visitation. Also after the Shell conversation, because we saw him eavesdrop! I can't think of anything that we've seen that happened after what we are seeing now.
I'm thinking this is the day after the previous events (Shell conversation, near-haircut, etc.). What I can't quite figure out is what time of day it is. One of the first things Lana says when she finds Jerrek is "You're out here early", and it's dark but with the lower part of the sky reddish. But then the elf kid gang wanders by, and asks if they are some of "them people that's been digging around here at night", which doesn't really say anything about current time. On first reading I assumed it was just after dark because that's when teenage boys usually roam around looking for trouble, unless it's changed in the 40 years since I was one. 
But then, with Lana mad and Jerrek following her, we run into Annie, Renard and Kat, who are apparently heading somewhere for a demo - either to show a demo or to watch one I guess. The sky still looks about the same. So I don't know if this is dawn or dusk or maybe later at night but with lights in the court lighting up the lower part of the sky a bit. Dawn seems to me to be the least likely time of day for the elf kid gang to happen by, but that's really my own suspicions - for all I know they were heading to play a morning sports game, or even to church or something. Um, forest elves sleep, right? Pretty sure they do?
Anyway, 99% sure we are in the present, on the day following the last sequence, but I'm not sure what time of day.
I guess this makes dawn a bit more likely, as there are stars in the sky and the lower part of the sky is getting bright, but currently it's not all that bright out and the lower part of the sky actually seems dimmer? So I'm confused. Oh, and that sure seems like Loup reviewing his first day in the court, trying to figure things out! |
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Post by drmemory on Feb 26, 2022 6:08:15 GMT
By the way, the fact that Jerrek is still following Lana, and trying to hang out with her, even though he is mad, is a pretty good sign of how very confused he is! I can't remember seeing him lost in thought like that before at all - he usually immediately acts on whatever he is thinking, especially when angry. Which is nearly his default state, I think. Even when he was meditating in the forest, when Aata and the crew appeared, I felt like he was gritting his teeth to get it done. Fangs, whatever.
This almost has to have something to do with his form affecting his mind. I'm really a bit worried about what will happen if he gets knocked out of his disguise and is suddenly Loup again. Let's hope the demo isn't a demo of a "Loup Sensor"!
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Post by speedwell on Feb 26, 2022 6:23:25 GMT
Annie is looking at Renard in a concerned way; I am assuming he's showing that he's picked up on something.
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Post by TBeholder on Feb 26, 2022 13:45:23 GMT
What does Rey see? Is that why Annie's looking so serious in the last panel? Perhaps Rey saw through the disguise in that unguarded moment Loup was having? 4th panel shows him caught by surprise. If so then Annie would be communicating with him and trying to keep it from showing in her face. This could become an… interesting framework for dealing with Loup. In that he doesn't get to be high and mighty in this disguise, and the ex-golems are sort of "born yesterday" too. |
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Suddenly Annie appears! Tho it remains to be seen what will happen as a result.
