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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 11, 2022 8:04:59 GMT
Those do sound like interesting places. Bright things might be energy sources or experiments. Zeta might be a dark one, or perhaps the ether siphons look dark in the ether even when they aren't active. |
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Post by arf on Feb 11, 2022 8:22:40 GMT
Yes. An encounter with Zimmy would be interesting.
From a distance.
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Feb 11, 2022 8:27:12 GMT
Hoh boy, me thinks Loup wouldn't recognize a hand if it slapped him in the face. Sure, go look at your baubles and ignore the actually interesting thing RIGHT THERE!
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Post by Druplesnubb on Feb 11, 2022 8:33:23 GMT
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Post by antiyonder on Feb 11, 2022 8:59:38 GMT
1. Oh she may not be Antimony, but they have something very important in common.
They aren't legal, Loup. But yeah easy to say when he (hopefully) isn't real.
2. So is any of Loup a Mogwai or something?:-D
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Post by blahzor on Feb 11, 2022 9:23:44 GMT
What a big baby
Being stopped by night light and the darkness
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Post by blahzor on Feb 11, 2022 9:25:20 GMT
Those do sound like interesting places. Bright things might be energy sources or experiments. Zeta might be a dark one, or perhaps the ether siphons look dark in the ether even when they aren't active. I mean if they've been doing experiments on removing ether and transferring it they might have found a way to eliminate ether in small areas but got to store it elsewhere to the bright ones they can't destroy it like mass only move it around |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 11, 2022 13:03:30 GMT
Those do sound like interesting places. Bright things might be energy sources or experiments. Zeta might be a dark one, or perhaps the ether siphons look dark in the ether even when they aren't active. Come to think of it Renard said that he couldn't imagine a hell-hole further removed from the ether than the ether station when he visited one. Quite possibly he meant it looked unusually "dark" in the ether even when it wasn't active, not just that there was a bunch of unfamiliar human technology and other lifeless junk. Tough to say, though... I figure there's got to be some allegory in some of the layers of reality, subjective to the viewer, so these things should be probably taken with a grain of salt. If Kat had etheric sight she might well see something shiny and inspiring when looking at an ether station. |
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Post by ctso74 on Feb 11, 2022 14:52:41 GMT
A Court tour from Loup's POV, both ethericly and emotionally, would be very interesting. I doubt the story's going to give that much away, though.
It'd be interesting, if Loup grew accustomed to his new NP friend, and his own NP-self. Not a part of Coyote's plan, but could Loup bring belief in NP life into the Ether?
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 11, 2022 15:09:23 GMT
So... there is not just one light, but many? So, obviously not Kat. But what instead? Ether stations? Instances or terminals of Omega? (Corrupted) outgrowths of the Seed Bismuth? Does Loup feel like a very different character to anyone else now that he looks like a human teenager and we are privy to his thoughts, which both obviously...well, humanizes him. Are we just more likely to empathize with a being that looks like us, or is the mind truly nothing but a plaything of the body and he truly is somewhat different? And what is the deeper meaning of more and more creatures in this story gaining human, or at least more humanlike, bodies? 1. Oh she may not be Antimony, but they have something very important in common. They aren't legal, Loup. But yeah easy to say when he (hopefully) isn't real. 2. So is any of Loup a Mogwai or something?:-D I don't even know what makes you think about whether they're "legal". |
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Post by mochakimono on Feb 11, 2022 15:14:41 GMT
"A light of deep dark" makes me uneasy, as if something Lovecraftian is harbored within the Court. Well, I suppose Zimmy's whole deal would arguably count as an eldritch horror like that, and the giant psychic shellfish. The notion that an even more powerful and deadly entity could be slumbering in there gives me a shudder.
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Post by bicarbonat on Feb 11, 2022 15:43:29 GMT
The ever-so-slightly shaggy ear in panel 5 is a very nice touch.
Speaking of touch, how long do we give the overgrown dog until he makes a run at the very clearly meant-to-be-a-deterrent light source?
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Post by mturtle7 on Feb 11, 2022 17:34:43 GMT
Fun fact: Loup is, by his own admission, a completely new creature, and was thus "born" less than a year ago. Lana, by contrast, was a robot librarian for quite some time since before Loup was born.
Lana is both older, and (in my opinion) acts much more mature than Loup. LOUP, not Lana, is the "annoying child creature" in this situation, whether or not either of them realizes it.
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Post by antiyonder on Feb 11, 2022 18:36:32 GMT
I don't even know what makes you think about whether they're "legal". I guess even if Loup isn't technically old, he seems more like an adult. |
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Post by jda on Feb 11, 2022 19:20:58 GMT
Does Loup feel like a very different character to anyone else now that he looks like a human teenager and we are privy to his thoughts, which both obviously...well, humanizes him. Are we just more likely to empathize with a being that looks like us, or is the mind truly nothing but a plaything of the body and he truly is somewhat different? . It'd be hilarious if Loup finds his(?) humanity by falling in love with ThisAnnoying OrangeHaired creature, so suspending all Doom plans and living merrily as NP. I guess we'd... understand. The End. |
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Post by abbomeister on Feb 11, 2022 19:58:07 GMT
I'm new here, but this latest page has piqued my interest and now I've got these mad theories running around in my brain. Not sure if I should post this in Wildspec (please tell me if I should move it), but here's my interpretation of things:
The Court has access to Mrs. Donlan's program for containing Reynardine's Etheric side. If I were the Court, I'd want a reservoir of essentially limitless Etheric energy. What better way to get limitless energy that than to lure a literal God into the court where he can be trapped and his energy extracted (the supercomputers don't seem to be able to project into the forest)? If Loup is similar enough to Reynardine due to him owning part of Coyote's powers, then the program would work on him and give the Court an eternal battery that's not a human (Zimmy being the presumed alternate option).
Loup, on this latest page, mentions areas of darkness and light, which are probably just the Ether experiments that have been leaving areas filled or drained of Ether. However, I'm fairly certain that the "Bright Light" he mentions is something like a big Ether Battery that has been saving up the power needed to maintain the containment program. Saving up lots of power in order to get eternal power.
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Post by Gemminie on Feb 11, 2022 20:08:29 GMT
As mturtle7 pointed out, I was correct that it was Lana interrupting Loup/Jerrek, but we're no longer in the flashback; we're back in the present, after Annie, Renard, Kat, etc. have left. Lana says, "You're out here early," suggesting that Loup/Jerrek has been out here all night. The New People probably need to sleep, but L/J isn't really a New Person, so he probably doesn't. Lana probably assumes he went somewhere to sleep and has come back. Loup doesn't have much of an opinion of Lana but keeps it to himself as part of his disguise. She's just of use to him. Loup senses a bright light that "stops" him from going directly to Annie and Renard. How does it stop him? Perhaps we'll learn about the nature of these lights Loup senses in this chapter. This is the first time I recall his mentioning that there are more than one of them. In fact, he says here that the Court is full of them, and more than that, he says that some are bright, and others are the deepest dark. I might assume that Zimmy is a dark one ... except that he implies that there's more than one dark one. Then he assumes he'll find what he's looking for in "these places," which could mean either any of the lights or the dark lights specifically. I'm not sure. Perhaps we'll find out. |
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 11, 2022 20:14:16 GMT
Fun fact: Loup is, by his own admission, a completely new creature, and was thus "born" less than a year ago. Lana, by contrast, was a robot librarian for quite some time since before Loup was born. Lana is both older, and (in my opinion) acts much more mature than Loup. LOUP, not Lana, is the "annoying child creature" in this situation, whether or not either of them realizes it. On the other hand, most robots have been acting rather childish, with the possible exception of Arthur and maybe Sky Watcher. It's hard to say whether that has changed with their new bodies since we haven't really had the opportunity to watch any one of them except Lana (who still personally rubs me the wrong way, but that might be a problem of mine and not hers) and very few panels of Arthur. |
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 11, 2022 20:20:53 GMT
The New People probably need to sleep, but L/J isn't really a New Person, so he probably doesn't. Huh, right. Another thing about which a robot might rightfully ask "so where's the improvement for me in having to waste one third of each day being inactive?".
Again I am asking myself if there were robots who chose not to undergo the transfer and rather wait for the moment the shield protocol would be deactivated again. Or if any would have chosen to stay robots if S13 and his insufferable babyface angel avatar had given them a choice (as I continue to suspect he does not).
Another question coming up: If the NP's new organic brains require sleep, do they also dream? And if yes, do they dream of electric or of organic sheep?
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Post by fia on Feb 11, 2022 20:23:33 GMT
Maybe the bright lights are the lights of technological marvels and machines? Kat's supercomputer might count; and possibly some of the technology is quite dark because its uses are not so innocent? On another note, the next-to-last panel reminds me of the posters for Metropolis, the 1927 film. |
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Post by drmemory on Feb 11, 2022 20:55:21 GMT
Annie and this one are both young female human-form creatures with red hair. Both have been pretty friendly to Loup in his disguise. I'm not sure how she is "nothing like Antimony" exactly. Maybe because she's not carrying around a ball of rage? He's mentioned liking that about Annie. Sorta.
Loup is certainly nicer and more personable in Jerek-form. I hope he's able to keep it together long enough to see the correlation between how he treats people and how they treat him!
The lights (and the... dark lights) are certainly a mystery. For quite a while, I thought that the bright light Loup saw when he was talking to Renard in the ether had to be Omega, or possibly Kat, but now... If there are a bunch of them around, and it's not the robots nor the NP, and certainly not humans, then what? Maybe it's something structural, like infrastructure created by or related to the seed Bismuth? Maybe there are runes on certain buildings?
Whatever it is, why would it only be visible to Loup (and maybe Coyote/Ysengrin)? Like, not to Annie, and not mapped by Kat? And what does he mean when he says he "cannot go to them directly"? Is the whatever-it-is blocking teleportation, or walking?
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Post by laaaa on Feb 11, 2022 21:19:51 GMT
I wasn't scared of Loup before. Sure, he's the unholy amalgamation of a powerful insane god and a powerful insecure... dog... he has toyed with the fabric of reality, time and the universe, has expatriated an entire race, blackmailed and duplicated Annie and destroyed several court buildings but he has, yet, in fact, to kill anyone. (I mean he tried to kill Shell but that failed and he hasn't even tried to finish the job or kill anyone else since). Given how powerful he is, I'd say he's not really trying. Heck, even when he flipped the forest on the Court buildings and trapped hundreds of creatures into the earth, they survived in convenient pockets of air instead of being crushed under a metric ton of rocks. He didn't give me the impression of a villain, but of an antagonistic toddler god throwing non-malicious but very disruptive tantrums. I, uh, could not take him seriously.
However, ever since we were shown that he's capable of duplicity, manipulation, skillful acting and planning, I'm very unnerved. The Annie duplication thing was surprising and effective, but not particularly complicated or, you know, cunning. I'm very wary of him now.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Feb 11, 2022 22:25:04 GMT
As an adherent to the Mecha Goddess storyline, until proven otherwise, probably in the next page, I choose to believe the lights are Kat and there are multiple lights because...
There are an infinite number of Kats and some of them cross into each others existence/time at any given point.
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Everything about Kat is bright in the ether, even her poop. Eventually what she leaves behind fades but she keeps making more. Kat doesn't know why bots/NP follow her around with a bucket and shovel.
Feel free to choose between high brow sci-fi or low brow humor, whatever floats your boat. |
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Post by Runningflame on Feb 12, 2022 1:22:59 GMT
Annie and this one are both young female human-form creatures with red hair. Both have been pretty friendly to Loup in his disguise. I'm not sure how she is "nothing like Antimony" exactly. Maybe because she's not carrying around a ball of rage? He's mentioned liking that about Annie. Sorta. The external appearance doesn't count for much. Lana isn't a part-fire-elemental who can burn a moss ogre to the bone. That powerful etheric side is what Ysengrin found beautiful about Annie, and it seems like Loup feels the same. Annie is an incredible creature; Lana and Kat, without etheric abilities, are nothing. Which, come to think of it, dovetails perfectly with Ysengrin's love for Coyote, and his reasons for wanting Coyote's power for himself. "He is attracted to power. So am I. It's a... weakness we both share." - Mirage, The Incredibles |
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Post by crater on Feb 12, 2022 5:17:10 GMT
Loup is so fking cool in his human form. His inner monologue vs his face and comic poses are awesome im loving this \
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Post by bicarbonat on Feb 12, 2022 5:43:43 GMT
The light looks even more unnerving in this page – behind Renard, it looks like an eye. 👁️ |
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 12, 2022 14:52:51 GMT
As an adherent to the Mecha Goddess storyline, until proven otherwise, probably in the next page, I choose to believe the lights are Kat and there are multiple lights because... He just said one page before that Kat looks totally mundane... |
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Post by davidm on Feb 12, 2022 17:43:39 GMT
I just had the terrible idea that the lights are boxbots. Where better to hide ultimate power? www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=416 "Put a blanket over it", impulse is to hide boxbot. We see robot, skywatcher, and all sorts of other robots say "She died and we did nothing", etc but Boxbot ever? Six little bots That I once knew Fat ones, skinny ones Fair ones, too But the one little bot With the feather on his back He led the others With a terr, i, ble terr, i, ble terr, i, ble He led the others With a terr, i, ble |
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Post by drmemory on Feb 13, 2022 0:29:50 GMT
Still pondering who (and what) we know about that Loup doesn't. As in, possible sources of the light and dark lights, whatever that means! He met a Seraph, recently, in Jerek form, so probably not the Seraphs. He knows about Psychopomps (he offered to free Annie from them). So probably not them. He's certainly familiar with shadow men (Coyote flavor) and the Foley students, assuming they didn't change their nature when they got human bodies - I've always assumed that was their souls moving around, more or less. So neither of them. Probably not Boxbot and Robox, as there are only one of each (as far as we know). Potentially funny though! Not the robots, not the New People, not Robot (they met). Not Kat. Not Shell. Not anyone in the room he was eavesdropping on (no lights)!
Not even Aata nor the other kind of shadow men (Court red-shirts).
Certainly not Jones - she is inert. What the heck does that leave? Someone or something that exists inside the court in numbers, in both dark and light flavors? Ok, this is perhaps out in left field, but what about members of the Court? Like the real ones. Perhaps they've been powering up with that ether they were collecting, somehow? Or maybe they have something like auras of power, perhaps created by runes? This doesn't at all rule out Omega, but we still don't know where or what he is or what he's been having them do. I'm suggesting that maybe Omega has been helping the inner circle of the court to like... power up. Or maybe shielding them. |
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Post by AluK on Feb 13, 2022 12:38:47 GMT
Jerrek!Loup acting more human is entirely in line with Coyote transforming so completely into things that he forgot he was Coyote and not the thing, something that the Loup/Coyote conversation earlier in the chapter alluded to.
I'm guessing that Coyote wants Loup to experience some degree of humanity before they... die, for whatever purpose it serves within Coyote's plan.
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