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Post by madjack on Jul 23, 2021 7:05:02 GMT
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Post by shinkaii on Jul 23, 2021 7:09:46 GMT
So just straight up killing all of three of them instead of "separating Coyote and Ysengrin" huh.
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Post by stclair on Jul 23, 2021 7:12:28 GMT
So just straight up killing all of three of them instead of "separating Coyote and Ysengrin" huh. That's what he says, but. |
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Post by Igniz on Jul 23, 2021 7:14:30 GMT
That's what he says, but. This. As with anything Coyote, I highly doubt this simply goes as straight as he says. Instead, he must have an ulterior motive and another [main] objective. |
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Post by laaaa on Jul 23, 2021 7:15:02 GMT
How about NO?
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Post by mzpx on Jul 23, 2021 7:15:04 GMT
Holy smokes, he's a real piece of work, isn't he, what with the laughter (incidentally, he implies that Annie's guide status won't be affected by the murder, although he lies all the time, so who knows) and the confirmation that Annie will actually kill not 'just' the intelligent being she dislikes (still traumatic, but maybe if it's a 'to save my friends' situation, she at least has some way to rationalise it), but also two other intelligent beings that she actually even likes (one of whom was manipulated and tortured for centuries). Coyote is looking more and more evil by the page - I'm now really hoping that the Court has some back up plan for the capture, just to wipe that smile off his face.
By the way, when he says 'when it is done', does he mean when Loup finds out about the tooth? Or is he referring to the murder?
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Post by watermist on Jul 23, 2021 7:30:19 GMT
I'm seeing that people are starting to get upset over Coyote's plan. And yet, I keep thinking back on the time where Coyote insisted on showing Annie how this is done ("this" being how the Forest animals' spirits got transported to the Court). Annie even pointed out this out. Then! Remember the first time Annie went into the forest after Loup's attack (before Loup spilt her into the two Annies), the first thing she saw was totems representing Coyote and Ysengrin. I'm really quite curious to see how these pieces would fit together. There is definitely something else going on. |
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Post by philman on Jul 23, 2021 7:30:44 GMT
So Coyote wants Annie to kill all three of them, and then guide all of them into the afterlife. Is this Coyote's plan, to rule the afterlife instead of the mortal world?
Upcoming super-serious Muut vs super-cackling Coyote face off.
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Post by aline on Jul 23, 2021 7:37:30 GMT
So just straight up killing all of three of them instead of "separating Coyote and Ysengrin" huh. That's what he says, but. It may not be possible to separate them, just like you wouldn't be able to separate the milk from the tea. In any case, Coyote said he wanted to die and we may assume it is one of his objectives, if not the only one. What I'm worried about is what is supposed to happen after. Coyote and Ysengrin have been effectively gone for a while now. Loup is highly unpleasant and we knew he'd die soon, even though I'm very displeased that he has to meet his end at Annie's hands. But what does Coyote mean "You will know what to do but not how to do it"? Something that needs to happen after Loup's death? What could it be? |
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Post by philman on Jul 23, 2021 7:39:00 GMT
I'm seeing that people are starting to get upset over Coyote's plan. And yet, I keep thinking back on the time where Coyote insisted on showing Annie how this is done ("this" being how the Forest animals' spirits got transported to the Court). Annie even pointed out this out. Then! Remember the first time Annie went into the forest after Loup's attack (before Loup spilt her into the two Annies), the first thing she saw was totems representing Coyote and Ysengrin. I'm really quite curious to see how these pieces would fit together. There is definitely something else going on. Yes! I was saying this a few weeks ago, I really think Coyote is trying to become human, and dying is that first step. Now that we have seen Aata in the ether, it is implied that he is something else, or used to be something else, as well. So it will be interesting to see how the relationship plays out. |
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Post by aline on Jul 23, 2021 7:48:48 GMT
I'm seeing that people are starting to get upset over Coyote's plan. And yet, I keep thinking back on the time where Coyote insisted on showing Annie how this is done ("this" being how the Forest animals' spirits got transported to the Court). Annie even pointed out this out. Then! Remember the first time Annie went into the forest after Loup's attack (before Loup spilt her into the two Annies), the first thing she saw was totems representing Coyote and Ysengrin. I'm really quite curious to see how these pieces would fit together. There is definitely something else going on. Yes! I was saying this a few weeks ago, I really think Coyote is trying to become human, and dying is that first step. That is a really fascinating idea and would explain why Coyote needs Annie to be the one to kill Loup. |
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Post by speedwell on Jul 23, 2021 8:09:53 GMT
What if it's a test and Coyote actually wants Annie to say no? After all, he admits he is dead and simply a memory. Should she kill at the behest of something that is technically not Coyote himself? Should she kill even at the behest of a living Coyote in whatever sense he is living? Should she kill at all, or is her refusal necessary to the Plan? If Loup does indeed need to be killed. Maybe that's not the point. Maybe Annie needs to use the knife to separate the two and the violence of the action is like killing and does kill Loup. Coyote might be leaving the next steps up to her because he is not sure whether she will pass the test he set. |
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Post by flowsthead on Jul 23, 2021 8:18:49 GMT
Y'all, we need to be mindful of the grammar here. Coyote said: "...you will be truly killing him, myself and Ysengrin." No Oxford comma there, that him is just referring to Loup as the combination of Coyote and Ysengrin.
*This has been an episode of Conspiracy Theories from Grammar* ~spooky music~
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Post by shinkaii on Jul 23, 2021 8:31:15 GMT
I'm seeing that people are starting to get upset over Coyote's plan. And yet, I keep thinking back on the time where Coyote insisted on showing Annie how this is done ("this" being how the Forest animals' spirits got transported to the Court). Annie even pointed out this out. Then! Remember the first time Annie went into the forest after Loup's attack (before Loup spilt her into the two Annies), the first thing she saw was totems representing Coyote and Ysengrin. I'm really quite curious to see how these pieces would fit together. There is definitely something else going on. This is a great catch! But still, there are good reasons for people to be upset with Coyote's plan. So he just decided to become human then? Ysegrin would never agree to that. Not that he ever had a say in any of Coyote's decisions, but still. Manipulated for so many years just to become the same creature that he hates so much. |
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Post by speedwell on Jul 23, 2021 9:40:57 GMT
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Post by guntherkrieg on Jul 23, 2021 9:55:22 GMT
Tom Siddell in yet another round of "Father figures are evil or indifferent and girls are rendered confused and helpless by them".
Just go to therapy, mate.
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Post by guntherkrieg on Jul 23, 2021 9:57:41 GMT
Y'all, we need to be mindful of the grammar here. Coyote said: "...you will be truly killing him, myself and Ysengrin." No Oxford comma there, that him is just referring to Loup as the combination of Coyote and Ysengrin. *This has been an episode of Conspiracy Theories from Grammar* ~spooky music~ I love this. Especially as I bought Eats, Shoots and Leaves on a trip to Glasgae last week. |
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Post by speedwell on Jul 23, 2021 10:38:31 GMT
Tom Siddell in yet another round of "Father figures are evil or indifferent and girls are rendered confused and helpless by them". Just go to therapy, mate. Or you could go back to school and re-read the part about themes in literature, then go attack authors for using ones that trigger you. |
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Post by ohthatone on Jul 23, 2021 10:55:52 GMT
So Coyote wants Annie to kill all three of them, and then guide all of them into the afterlife. Is this Coyote's plan, to rule the afterlife instead of the mortal world? Upcoming super-serious Muut vs super-cackling Coyote face off. I'll bet the ROTD would simply love coyote to shake things up at the office! But if returning the dead to the ether is the guides job, and coyote already lives in the ether, then where would he go? Maybe he want to find that Steadman fellow and apologize for tripping him. |
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Jul 23, 2021 11:08:03 GMT
Tom Siddell in yet another round of "Father figures are evil or indifferent and girls are rendered confused and helpless by them". Just go to therapy, mate. Or you could go back to school and re-read the part about themes in literature, then go attack authors for using ones that trigger you. "I really liked Rorsach in that Watchmen movie, but it was really upsetting that his mask kept on showing drawings of my parents arguing?" came to mind, for some reason. To the point at hand, for those who suggested that the Tooth will be used to simply separate C and Y, know that that is actually akin to killing Loup, the amalgamation of the two. This is Tuvix all over again! By the way, I'd like to posit the following: even if the Tooth destroys L, C and Y, (and destroys itself in the process) and they have to be helped "across", there is still a piece/power of C left in the Court: Renard. I'm still confused as to how HE fits into all this talk about "getting all of Coyote's gifts to better control the Forest". |
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Post by hp on Jul 23, 2021 11:42:35 GMT
Or you could go back to school and re-read the part about themes in literature, then go attack authors for using ones that trigger you. "I really liked Rorsach in that Watchmen movie, but it was really upsetting that his mask kept on showing drawings of my parents arguing?" came to mind, for some reason. To the point at hand, for those who suggested that the Tooth will be used to simply separate C and Y, know that that is actually akin to killing Loup, the amalgamation of the two. This is Tuvix all over again! By the way, I'd like to posit the following: even if the Tooth destroys L, C and Y, (and destroys itself in the process) and they have to be helped "across", there is still a piece/power of C left in the Court: Renard. I'm still confused as to how HE fits into all this talk about "getting all of Coyote's gifts to better control the Forest". True. Renard has been carefully kept away from the forest for the whole GK. So has Kat and Zimmy (who has been shown to have the power to revert Loup's deeds). I've always been curious about what would happen when they finally went there. (Cue Loup absorbing Rey after he tried to possess him, and then Zimmy turning Kat into Kathulhu to fight them with the tooth) BTW Kat and Coyote seem to be the 2 GK "poles" that never even touched. Even Zimmy was acknowledged by Loup once IIRC |
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 23, 2021 11:45:45 GMT
Tom Siddell in yet another round of "Father figures are evil or indifferent and girls are rendered confused and helpless by them". Coyote in this comic is many things, but certainly not a father figure.
That's what he says, but. It may not be possible to separate them, just like you wouldn't be able to separate the milk from the tea. In any case, Coyote said he wanted to die and we may assume it is one of his objectives, if not the only one. What I'm worried about is what is supposed to happen after. Coyote and Ysengrin have been effectively gone for a while now. Loup is highly unpleasant and we knew he'd die soon, even though I'm very displeased that he has to meet his end at Annie's hands. But what does Coyote mean "You will know what to do but not how to do it"? Something that needs to happen after Loup's death? What could it be? While reading the page I thought he meant bringing them into the Ether, to experience the final part of life. Which also makes it obvious why he wants her around for his true death. If Coyote truly dies, all his Etheric essence and energy needs to be recycled, so someone can step up and become the new God of Gillitie, or else Gillitie will likely die.
But as others mentioned, it could very well harken back to the totems... Hmm...
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Post by blahzor on Jul 23, 2021 12:02:09 GMT
So just straight up killing all of three of them instead of "separating Coyote and Ysengrin" huh. That's what he says, but. coyote only tells the truth, he didn't say what happens after that tho |
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Post by davidm on Jul 23, 2021 12:31:07 GMT
Tom Siddell in yet another round of "Father figures are evil or indifferent and girls are rendered confused and helpless by them". Just go to therapy, mate. Anne's father imo is not evil or indifferent, just as Forest Gump was not evil or indifferent, he just like Forest Gump has been given with a different set of mental assets and negatives than most people.. He has always cared a lot, he was obsessed with trying to bring his wife back, all his life he had panic attack difficulty with dealing with others, he didn't with with wife so he probably got extremely attached to her. It isn't so unusual that since his wife died unnaturally because of "fire spirit" he would want to give her a second chance, just like ROTD wanted to give Mort a second chance. Throwing hate at Anthony imo is a little like throwing hate at Forest Gump for being "stupid", "Forest should have just worked harder at school to be smart", or throwing hate at someone who has panic attacks from water if it once prevents him from saving someone who is drowning. My mom once had panic attack over idea of having cataract removal, her mind went for hours to point where she had forgotten last years of her life and her memory only lasted 5 minutes so every 5 minutes I had to explain the same thing again and she was scared the whole time. It would have been wrong for me to hate her for that, even if it had caused some sort of problem for others unintentionally. Ysengrin was not evil or indifferent, but flawed and possible he would have gotten better if not for coyote tampering. Coyote hard to judge without knowing his end game. Annie flawed character, had temper tantrum early in story that put her friends at risk as Jones told her. She guided others to "afterlife", we don't know what afterlife is, we have seen example of Mort and ROTD being happy without being recycled... if Mort became recycled/dead and was mostly happy as ghost, then perhaps Mort was like a suicidal naive man and Annie helped him commit suicide without any suicide prevention advice which if done with a real life boy who was toying with killing himself would be mostly seen as manslaughter/evil act. (Real life a Jeanie similarly maybe should have been given a chance to go ROTD like Mort rather than rushed off for recycling if recycling is destruction... she potentially had more reason than Mort for that option having suffered for endless years after dying young. www.npr.org/2019/02/12/693807708/woman-who-provoked-suicidal-boyfriend-via-text-message-begins-prison-sentence ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment .... 2/3 of people will potentially help kill a person if a figure of authority tells them to and takes responsibility) Kat... alternative timeline went down "dark road", has same potential to make similar mistakes as Annie's father, saved by external forces that allow her to do time travel magic. If Annie's father was given ability to do time travel magic, or Ysengrin was given that magic maybe their end persons would be better than Kat. |
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Post by jasmijn on Jul 23, 2021 13:09:31 GMT
Is C hinting that Annie will take his place in the forest? Because if not, there's an obvious power vacuum and it seems unlikely C intends for the court to step in
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Post by ohthatone on Jul 23, 2021 13:34:52 GMT
Is C hinting that Annie will take his place in the forest? Because if not, there's an obvious power vacuum and it seems unlikely C intends for the court to step in Who was in charge before coyote came to the forest? Ysengrin? Rey? I guess Rey would be the more likely choice to assume the role (assuming the forest truly cant exist without some kind of deity to keep it all running). Which would explain why coyote really wants him back in the forest. |
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Post by fia on Jul 23, 2021 13:46:31 GMT
Tom Siddell in yet another round of "Father figures are evil or indifferent and girls are rendered confused and helpless by them". Coyote in this comic is many things, but certainly not a father figure. He may be the drunk uncle, though! (With that fun remark – be kind to each other guys, it's just a webcomic, and just some people who like to talk about the webcomic. It's fine to be critical, but try to keep away from the ad hominems, as a general rule). |
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Post by aline on Jul 23, 2021 14:26:07 GMT
Is C hinting that Annie will take his place in the forest? Because if not, there's an obvious power vacuum and it seems unlikely C intends for the court to step in Who was in charge before coyote came to the forest? Ysengrin? Rey? I guess Rey would be the more likely choice to assume the role (assuming the forest truly cant exist without some kind of deity to keep it all running). Which would explain why coyote really wants him back in the forest. Those three came together to Gillitie Woods so if someone was in charge before Coyote, it wouldn't have been Rey or Ysengrin. But my guess is, no one. It's a magical forest, it doesn't necessarily need a system of government. |
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Post by bedinsis on Jul 23, 2021 14:26:11 GMT
I am surprised. I fully expected Annie to outright refuse. Instead she seems to resign herself to the task.
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Jul 23, 2021 14:46:21 GMT
Who was in charge before coyote came to the forest? Ysengrin? Rey? I guess Rey would be the more likely choice to assume the role (assuming the forest truly cant exist without some kind of deity to keep it all running). Which would explain why coyote really wants him back in the forest. Those three came together to Gillitie Woods so if someone was in charge before Coyote, it wouldn't have been Rey or Ysengrin. But my guess is, no one. It's a magical forest, it doesn't necessarily need a system of government. Gillitie Wood indeed had no "ruler" before Coyote arrived at the time the Court and the animals/faeries/elves were having a row because of the Court encroaching more and more on the woods and trying to "tame" the animals there. Coyote, in his magnificent humbleness provided a solution by making the ravine and proclaiming himself King-God-Emperor-Dancemaster of Gillitie and its' denizens. Ysengrin, Reynard and the Shadow people followed soon after. So if Loup would disappear together with our three main Top Doggos, the Court would most likely renew its' attacks on the once again defenceless inhabitants of the woods. I don't think anyone here wants this to happen, so SOMETHING will have to move. Keep in mind, no one managed to get Jeanne to go to the Other Side. You think Coyote would be an easier case? He probably wants to, but the ROTD or the other psychopomps might refuse him entrance to the ether. |
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