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Post by illusionist on Oct 1, 2008 16:51:00 GMT
13 year olds are capable of romantic love, you know.
I don't think anyone here ships them for perverted reasons. Most shipping is done for emotional reasons, after all.
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Post by Midnight Meadows on Oct 1, 2008 17:49:41 GMT
I think all of you who are now masturbating furiously over this page should put down the lotion and step back for a moment.
"Love" as an emotion is not limited to the romantic and sexual realm.
Consider that Gamma is pretty much the only friend and family that Zimmy seems to have in this world. She keeps Zimmy safe from the things that torment her.
When someone is capable of caring that much for you and giving you that kind of shelter, wouldn't you feel love for them? (in the sense of a way a family member loves another family member)
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Post by illusionist on Oct 1, 2008 18:03:46 GMT
I think all of you who are trying to take the moral high ground based on assumptions should shut the hell up and step back for a moment.
Shipping, as an action, is not limited to porn
Consider that this is the internet, Gunnerkrigg court is a work of fiction, and even without this page there's evidence that Gamma and Zimmy love each other in at least one sense of the word. Should it really surprise you that shipping takes place? And when it takes place, should it really disgust you this much?
Besides, what evidence is there that people think it's hot?
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Post by Fhqwhgads on Oct 1, 2008 18:12:25 GMT
wow I hate where this thread went. in other news, whoa where the crap did she pick up the martial arts moves? Sometime before chapter 3, certainly. Hey good call Count! I forgot about that scene.
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Post by Madii on Oct 1, 2008 19:01:27 GMT
Being Zimmy probably sucks quite a lot. Reminds me of people I've met with severe paranoia or other mental disorders. They're trapped in their own nightmarish worlds.
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Post by Count Casimir on Oct 1, 2008 19:16:28 GMT
No! No repeats of the Sappho thread!
That is my two cents, which I guess brings my thread contribution to six cents.
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Post by agasa on Oct 1, 2008 19:24:19 GMT
No! No repeats of the Sappho thread! To quote Someone, i'll let you guess who: *Nightmarish visions* "Ugh...No, this...already happened...it already...THIS ISN'T REAL! It already happened!" Aye, i just had to make this quotation when i seen Count Casimir's reply. Forgive me.
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Post by etcetera on Oct 1, 2008 20:03:24 GMT
All I can say is .
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Post by philweasel on Oct 1, 2008 20:51:17 GMT
13 year olds are capable of romantic love, you know. I don't think anyone here ships them for perverted reasons. Most shipping is done for emotional reasons, after all. Indeed, which is why I would rather stay clear of certain recent comments. Not evidence of that kind of relationship, so keep it clean da? I would rather not think about that kind of thing, and I'm sure Tom feels the same But personally speaking, I will most certainly be working another version of my Zimmy/Gamma video after this chapter (along with a Annie vid) ;D
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Post by Mezzaphor on Oct 1, 2008 21:31:04 GMT
On a less serious issue: Annie wearing all-black and a trenchcoat? Freaky alternate universe? Martial arts? Right now we're just the ray-bans short of a matrix movie! That fanart pic of Jones vs. Agent Smith may yet come to pass!
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Post by Per on Oct 1, 2008 21:39:31 GMT
I think people are generally too quick to interpret Annie's actions in mediating terms. Or if that really is accurate, I don't think it paints her in a good light. Grabbing someone and making an implied threat can be euphemistically described as "physical negotiation", but it could also be described as "being a jerkface", whether it's calculated or not. Similarly, making a blunt remark that pushes someone's buttons could be described as "provoking a reaction" or "probing for weakness", but it could also be described as "being a jerkface", less so if it's not calculated.
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Post by Midnight Meadows on Oct 1, 2008 21:47:24 GMT
Similarly, making a blunt remark that pushes someone's buttons could be described as "provoking a reaction" or "probing for weakness", but it could also be described as "being a jerkface", less so if it's not calculated. Haha, oh wow. Maybe she's taking a page out of Jones' book, aye? That'd be a scary thought if they started acting too much alike... In other news, has there been any discussion of the seething sort of aura emanating off of Zimmy? Looks to be like some representation of her projecting...well..whatever it is out onto the world around her.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Oct 1, 2008 22:19:31 GMT
I think people are generally too quick to interpret Annie's actions in mediating terms. Or if that really is accurate, I don't think it paints her in a good light. Grabbing someone and making an implied threat can be euphemistically described as "physical negotiation", but it could also be described as "being a jerkface", whether it's calculated or not. Similarly, making a blunt remark that pushes someone's buttons could be described as "provoking a reaction" or "probing for weakness", but it could also be described as "being a jerkface", less so if it's not calculated. While this doesn't justify her actions, I think Annie's shortness with Zimmy is motivated in part by the recent discovery of Zimmy's lies to Gamma. EDIT: Something else just occurred to me: Maybe Annie doesn't trust Zimmy. If she'll lie to her best friend, what reason does Annie have to think Zimmy will tell her the truth?
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Post by wanderer on Oct 1, 2008 22:20:08 GMT
Being Zimmy probably sucks quite a lot. Reminds me of people I've met with severe paranoia or other mental disorders. They're trapped in their own nightmarish worlds. I've found myself undergoing a mild psychological breakdown lately with uncontrolled and unfocused anxiety, and it's giving me a lot of sympathy for Zimmy's situation. Minds and emotions are not such simple and easily controlled things as people who have no problems with them seem to think. I never thought about how lucky I was to be able to come home from work and relax, watch some anime, read a book, enjoy myself... until suddenly I couldn't. The emotions, feelings that have just been a part of my normal life, simply WOULDN'T COME, and I didn't know why. That's mild compared to what Zimmy suffers from, yet neither situation is one that can be controlled, and should never be belittled. Yet it is practically impossible to make people who have never lost control of their minds like that understand truly how terrible it is.
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Post by Madii on Oct 1, 2008 22:56:51 GMT
Well, would you trust Zimmy in general?
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Post by monkeysmurklins on Oct 1, 2008 23:03:56 GMT
"Devoted" is the polite way of saying "obsessed," right?
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Post by starburst98 on Oct 1, 2008 23:33:44 GMT
wait, what if zimmy can control it, it's just the control is so subtle she doesn't notice? like she wants to go over everything with a roller brush, but all she has is a fine detail brush. and trying to paint a pitch black wall with one of those takes a long time. so she has been trying to use it in the wrong way. instead of going over the whole wall, just put little pictures here and there to make it better.
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Post by xolejh on Oct 1, 2008 23:52:43 GMT
She doesn't have control, she's on a winding path and she doesn't know where it goes, and she doesn't like it. She has little idea what's going on and why this happens to her. All she has is gamma, and even she can only do so much good.
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Post by Tojo on Oct 2, 2008 1:45:34 GMT
I don't begrudge anyone saying they'd like to see Gamma and Zimmy as a romantic couple, but I don't think Zimmy's declaration is as strong evidence for that 'ship as everyone's saying. Philos is not Eros. Thank you. I'm starting to get annoyed that people don't understand that there is such a thing as platonic love in the world.
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Post by Reynard on Oct 2, 2008 2:36:32 GMT
On a less serious issue: Annie wearing all-black and a trenchcoat? Freaky alternate universe? Martial arts? Right now we're just the ray-bans short of a matrix movie! Antimony Carver: Badass Longcoat ( tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BadassLongcoat) P.S. Has Tom shut down the on-site "Comments"? The fill-in boxes aren't showing up.
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Post by King Mir on Oct 2, 2008 2:44:28 GMT
I'm with those who were caught off guard by Annie's move. Annie is demonstrating training in self defense. From the scene in chapter 3 this was not obvious, but a move like this doesn't come out of the blue. She's either been in a few fights, or someone taught her. Regarding Zimmy, love is not a strong word do describe a relationship such as this. The feelings seems mutual and sincere. I was taken aback by how Zimmy blurted it out, but you do such things when you're in a fit of rage and tears. I hope Tom does not pull a Rowling, and declare their relationship as either romantic or platonic. There is no need to spell things out in absolute terms.
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Post by cenit on Oct 2, 2008 3:52:09 GMT
That move reminds me a lot of something we use in Aikido... and don't recall who said it, but Aikido is kinda like being a medium... using your body in the process She just throw her in the ground, maybe put her arm in a position in which she could not move without causing pain... funny enough, is a very emotional position... you get thrown like that and an attacker gets shocked and expresses emotions... like Z I think G is more like a mother to Z... feels like that... also, she is (G) like a year older, right? Also... pannel 2 is the most awesome thing I've seen in a webcomic
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Post by p13volution on Oct 2, 2008 4:39:19 GMT
I think all of you who are now masturbating furiously over this page should put down the lotion and step back for a moment. To quote a certain show, "Is it lonely up there on your pedestal?" If there's any one reason why the threat of this thread turning into the "Sappho" thread exists its because of accusations like that being thrown around. Things will not end well when we address our responses with baited words like those. Do you think any civil responses begin with people calling out others like that? You may not have flamed anyone specifically, but you can only be asking for the flames to start flying when you make comments so thoughtlessly. The Internet has created a term for that, its called "flame-baiting".
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Post by Midnight Meadows on Oct 2, 2008 5:11:08 GMT
You may not have flamed anyone specifically, but you can only be asking for the flames to start flying when you make comments so thoughtlessly. The Internet has created a term for that, its called "flame-baiting". Maybe you should check to make sure you're not still sitting on your own high-horse before you accuse others of being on one. Who said I made that comment thoughtlessly? I'm pretty sure I put a fair amount of thought into it. Why? Because it would get people's attention and remind them of the trainwreck that was the "Sappho thread." One quick glance at the first page of this thread was all it took to see that people were overjoyed because they jumped to the conclusion based on one ambiguous phrase that Zimmy/Gamma are somehow romantically involved. Pointing out their folly is nothing short of reasonable.
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Post by p13volution on Oct 2, 2008 6:20:37 GMT
Maybe you should check to make sure you're not still sitting on your own high-horse before you accuse others of being on one. Who said I made that comment thoughtlessly? I'm pretty sure I put a fair amount of thought into it. Why? Because it would get people's attention and remind them of the trainwreck that was the "Sappho thread." One quick glance at the first page of this thread was all it took to see that people were overjoyed because they jumped to the conclusion based on one ambiguous phrase that Zimmy/Gamma are somehow romantically involved. Pointing out their folly is nothing short of reasonable. How are comments like that supposed to stop this thread from turning into the mess that was the Sappho thread? I didn't say you were wrong, but when you spell out your opinions in a way that will only cause conflict, that's hardly justifiable. When you say hurtful things, even intentionally, they are thoughtless. It has nothing to do with how much thought you put into it, thoughtlessness is a measure of one's concern for other's feelings. "Pointing out folly" does not necessitate flame-baiting.
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Post by chibisoma on Oct 2, 2008 6:29:47 GMT
Got a laughable amount of seemingly homophobic BS going on, I'd say.
"No! NO! They can't be together! They are young. They can't possibly know what love is. It's platonic!"
How far out does it need to be spelled before people accept it? So is it unacceptable because they're young or because they're both girls? Gamma clearly cares about Zimmy. Zimmy clearly cares about Gamma. They've displayed a closeness that no one else in the entirety of the comic has shown.
But nope. That can't possibly mean anything. God forbid there actually be anything besides male/female relationships, huh?
Were people this pissy and idiotic when Kat was all smitten with the bird guy? "Nope. She doesn't love him. It's not real love. It's just puppy love. He's a bird. He doesn't count. They're too young to know!"
Hey, here's a lucid thought: Shut the hell up. Why CAN'T they be in love? What, does the image of them sitting around, leaning against each other and resting sicken you or something? Who put the giant pipe up your asses and why can't you pull it out? Your arguments are weak and your excuses are equally so.
And sure, I'm getting up in arms about it as well. But it's only because I don't get how people can keep ignoring the obvious by desperately trying to deny it outright. What do they need to do? Kiss each other passionately? That isn't who they are. That isn't what the comic is. But I guess for some people, overt signs of affection like that are the only way to get the point through to them. To some, unless your characters are shagging in a broom closet, they don't 'count' or something.
In any case, just settle the hell down. If you don't like this for what it is, then shove off. Zimmy's scared, she's alone, and the only person that she's ever been able to count on to be there for her; the only one who can help her have SOME semblance of comfort in her life is nowhere to be seen. Adding to that, Annie's being a bitch and insisting they find KAT first, despite the fact that things would probably go much smoother with Gamma around. On top of THAT, she's showing very little... 'care,' for lack of a better word, that Zimmy doesn't LIKE being able to see the horrible things around her.
Zimmy needs Gamma because she's the only one who understands her. So why does Gamma need Zimmy? Aside from the obvious response of "Uh, because she loves her, too?" which would make a chunk of people apparently have a hissy fit, I don't really have an answer. Perhaps we'll get something more concrete later on. We don't know too much of this. Even less from Gamma's perspective unless I've forgotten something.
Now I'll sit back on my high horse and wait for someone with crossed eyes to yell "Gamma just needs Zimmy because she can't speak-a the language!" at me.
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Post by popo on Oct 2, 2008 6:54:41 GMT
quit gettin mad at webcomic forums
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Post by Tom Siddell on Oct 2, 2008 8:00:21 GMT
Ease up, people. Ranting serves no purpose, no matter what point you're trying to make.
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Post by kayback on Oct 2, 2008 10:42:07 GMT
Wow, this is the first webcomic to educate me. I've never needed to go look words up before. Now I know what "shipping"means.
KBK
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Post by kayback on Oct 2, 2008 11:06:41 GMT
I've done plenty of those "2 hour self defense courses"as well as plenty of other more involved one, however she does seem to have a knack for fighting.
Comic number 34, she tosses Winsbury across the BB court without so much as blinking. And here she takes down a girl, who might be a daemon and who just threw a full garbage can quite a distance through a window, again hardly changing expression.
I'm not saying she spent years with Shaolin monks, but she has training.
KBK
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