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Post by Timberwere on May 5, 2021 7:05:38 GMT
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I just think it's a pity that she never wore these again.
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Post by V on May 5, 2021 7:11:24 GMT
Unless we went back in time for an effect, Jones spent a few more hours in Tony's house between the last page and this. This is going to be interesting!
And I love Annie's "now let's get back to business" look in the last panel.
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Post by foxurus on May 5, 2021 7:15:22 GMT
"Everyone" is happier, huh Jones?
Annie is creeping me out in this page, iunno. Emote more, please.
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Post by Timberwere on May 5, 2021 7:17:24 GMT
Unless we went back in time for an effect, Jones spent a few more hours in Tony's house between the last page and this. This is evidenced in the first panel, where the changing colors represent the passing of time. |
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Post by V on May 5, 2021 7:32:43 GMT
Unless we went back in time for an effect, Jones spent a few more hours in Tony's house between the last page and this. This is evidenced in the first panel, where the changing colors represent the passing of time. Yes, I just meant to point it out. |
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Post by madjack on May 5, 2021 7:36:50 GMT
"Everyone" is happier, huh Jones? Annie is creeping me out in this page, iunno. Emote more, please. Yep, "I'm fine" says the extremely not-fine person. |
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Post by mochakimono on May 5, 2021 8:00:01 GMT
Annie's eyes are a different color. A lot of focus has been given lately on reminding us she has bright blue eyes, and even in earlier panels without the added rendering to make them more vibrant, they are much more distinctly blue than shown here - in which we are zooming in on them in particular to notice this, it feels. This isn't the first time there's been some noticeable eye color shifts before - it happened with her mother, too, where Surma has heterochromia for a page: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1897What's it mean? Well, I've got no clue, but twice seems intentional, which seems interesting enough to emerge from lurking to comment about. Also of note: That Surma chapter was "Get Lost". Last chapter was "Find Yourself", right after "The Thousand Eyes". Coincidence?!?! ... well, maybe. I dunno. |
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Post by madjack on May 5, 2021 8:01:43 GMT
Annie's eyes are a different color. A lot of focus has been given lately on reminding us she has bright blue eyes, and even in earlier panels without the added rendering to make them more vibrant, they are much more distinctly blue than shown here - in which we are zooming in on them in particular to notice this, it feels. Edit: Ill expand on this post, I think it's the boring answer: It's sunset, more red/orange light to dull the blue. This isn't the first time there's been some noticeable eye color shifts before - it happened with her mother, too, where Surma has heterochromia for a page: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1897What's it mean? Well, I've got no clue, but twice seems intentional, which seems interesting enough to emerge from lurking to comment about. Also probably the boring answer, Surma had half her face in shadow, so one eye reflected more light. |
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Post by mochakimono on May 5, 2021 8:13:31 GMT
It's sunset, more red/orange light to dull the blue. Wouldn't the rest of her be more red, then? Or Jones? Palettes have been pretty consistent. Out of curiosity I found a recent pre-recombined panel to grab swatches from. Her skin and hair are almost the same, which makes the difference in her eye color more marked. Jones's palette isn't much different from the first page of the chapter either. Though it could be that Annie's eyes are just more washed-out as an artistic choice and it doesn't mean anything, but it still felt worth mentioning, because her eyes have been getting a lot of attention this chapter. The odd-eyed panel for Surma afaik is an unanswered mystery still... Also probably the boring answer, Surma had half her face in shadow, so one eye reflected more light. I do not believe that is a probably answer. There were lots of light and shadow effects that whole arc, but only that one panel had her eyes just... be different colors like that. They were otherwise consistently grey throughout. Her eyes are the unsaturated shade, compared to Annie's stronger blue tint. (A page earlier, there was a very close shot of Surma's eyes to see the grey clearly, as well.) Eyes are an important running theme in this comic in various instances, so why not here, in a girl who's had something strange and magical just happen to her soul? It could be a coloring error, and if it gets retconned then we'll know that for sure, heh. But for now, I'm sticking to thinking, "Tom's panel direction and color choices have been deliberate for some reason". Besides, if it turns out to be significant, I get cookies!
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Post by silicondream on May 5, 2021 8:19:10 GMT
Hmm.
Zimmy hates the Thousand Eyes. She can feel its stare. But it keeps getting attracted to her.
Loup hates the Wandering Eye. So annoying, always listening and watching. But it never ends.
When Tony first meets Annie he hates her. It's just...the physicality of it. Two people: his daughter; Surma. Unable to show her how much he loves her, his heart is broken, and will remain that way. What other option is there? Of course he could just tell her this.
Annie is feeling fine. Better than fine! And single, it seems, though she remembers all her pasts. And she's still her! Didn't she tell you earlier? She feels much better. Yet people keep talking about her, and about her father, and to her father. Why do other people keep interfering with her and Tony? Why are they allowed to do the one thing she ca--actually, it was a rhetorical question. She's not looking for an answer, promise.
Because of course she can just watch all this.
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Post by yinglung on May 5, 2021 9:09:29 GMT
I really don't have much to say about this page. It seems likely the next one will be an exchange of information between the two, maybe Annie will barter information on her actual status for what Tony told Jones?
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Post by machiavelli33 on May 5, 2021 10:27:14 GMT
I really don't have much to say about this page. It seems likely the next one will be an exchange of information between the two, maybe Annie will barter information on her actual status for what Tony told Jones? Same. I've gotten into the habit of reacting to the comic page by page, when history has insistently shown the arc and emotional payoff will only come in the long run, when the chapter can be read coherently. Wish I could just click through. The tribulations of the daily update. |
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Post by wies on May 5, 2021 11:01:00 GMT
Same. I've gotten into the habit of reacting to the comic page by page, when history has insistently shown the arc and emotional payoff will only come in the long run, when the chapter can be read coherently. Wish I could just click through. The tribulations of the daily update. Pretty much the reason I didn't comment the past page. I feel I already said a lot about this chapter, and for now I am waiting a bit to see where it goes from there. Though the forums have been as good as the comic to read. And I don't mean it in "for the drama" sense, but that I learned from discussing and seeing other people discussing this chapter. |
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Post by V on May 5, 2021 11:29:35 GMT
I wonder why Renard went to wait in the house while the two are speaking. Maybe it will be important that he gets to talk to post-"therapy" Tony before Annie has the chance. Actually, when did we see those two last together alone, or talking to each other? 2089, maybe? |
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Post by Polyhymnia on May 5, 2021 11:47:25 GMT
I wonder if Tony and Jones have done any role-playing. No, nothing weird like that, but just practicing saying things. I often write down scripts or practice what I’m going to say in a stressful situation, and it helps to practice saying them out loud to a person. So I wonder if Jones has been coaching Tony. Also, really approve of Annie’s bluntness here. She knows people talk about her, just like she knows people don’t like her father: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1859 |
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Post by fia on May 5, 2021 13:03:27 GMT
I guess both Annie and Tony find it easy to be frank with The Impartial Observer Jones. She's not judge or opinionated, she just sees. Some people would be unnerved by it but for the Carvers maybe it's a relief?
Don't have to "pretend you don't see what you're pretending you're not seeing even though we both know you saw it" with Jones. Maybe it makes it easier to face the truth.
I get it. I think I would be like that too.
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Post by aline on May 5, 2021 13:03:31 GMT
I wonder why Renard went to wait in the house while the two are speaking. Maybe it will be important that he gets to talk to post-"therapy" Tony before Annie has the chance. Annie told him "I'll just be a minute" which means "don't wait for me / go ahead, I want to talk to this person". Annie just wanted some privacy. |
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Post by V on May 5, 2021 13:30:53 GMT
I wonder why Renard went to wait in the house while the two are speaking. Maybe it will be important that he gets to talk to post-"therapy" Tony before Annie has the chance. Annie told him "I'll just be a minute" which means "don't wait for me / go ahead, I want to talk to this person". Annie just wanted some privacy. Sure, but the comic has a history of someone saying they'd be right back and disappearing for |a night⟩ + |6 months⟩. I think there was more than one case, but can't remember details. I expressed myself wrong in saying "why" Renard went ahead, I meant more like why it was necessary to show this to readers. |
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Post by alevice on May 5, 2021 13:31:07 GMT
It's sunset, more red/orange light to dull the blue. Wouldn't the rest of her be more red, then? Or Jones? Palettes have been pretty consistent. Out of curiosity I found a recent pre-recombined panel to grab swatches from. Her skin and hair are almost the same, which makes the difference in her eye color more marked. Jones's palette isn't much different from the first page of the chapter either. Though it could be that Annie's eyes are just more washed-out as an artistic choice and it doesn't mean anything, but it still felt worth mentioning, because her eyes have been getting a lot of attention this chapter. The odd-eyed panel for Surma afaik is an unanswered mystery still...
It is dusk. Look at annies overall more saturated palette in previous pages where tony recaps or even the starting pages. her hair is a good source of comparison for saturation levels. even jones herself |
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Post by aline on May 5, 2021 13:40:22 GMT
Anyway, my opinion is, yes, Annie does look fine. We're not used at seeing her smile, she's always been very neutral and otherwise quite angsty. So maybe that's way it feels weird to many people. But when she did feel terrible inside and wanted to hide it, she always had this blank Jones-like face, which is what she seems to default to. In this chapter she looks relaxed and happy, like at the beginning of Torn Sea, or in Tall Tales, or the happier scenes of Get It Together.
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Post by Gemminie on May 5, 2021 14:35:52 GMT
The conversation with Tony is over (or at least the part that we got to see – what else have they been talking about for all this time?), and time is passing. That evening, Annie and Renard return home to find that Jones is still there (or may have left and returned, but there's no real reason to assume that). It's done quickly, but Renard enters and Jones leaves, Annie remaining outside to talk to Jones. How did Jones communicate that she wanted to talk to Annie? Renard still hasn't said anything all chapter, not that we've seen a lot of him or anything. Maybe there just hasn't been an opportunity.
Annie assumes, of course, that Jones has been talking to her dad – I mean, she was inside the house, so it's a logical conclusion. And Jones, of course, gets right to the point. Yes, Annie, it's all about you, as usual, because you can't seem to stop panicking your friends and family and your friends' families. It's almost as if you're the main character in some kind of story or other whom things keep happening to. Also, from how Jones words it, these conversations have all been today; they haven't been over the past few days or weeks. This make the chapter's timing clearer.
But this time the headliner isn't "people worry about your mental stability" – it's "they mention your happier mood and increased confidence." Jones being Jones, I think she's now closely observing Annie to see how she reacts to that statement, as opposed to earlier, when she led with the other one.
And, of course, Annie assumes that people said other things – which they did, both about her and not, but Annie's probably mostly talking about things they said about her, considering that last time she saw Jones it was all about everybody worrying about her sanity, so there must have been some things about that.
I'm seeing talk about Annie's eye color, but although it seems to be a somewhat muted and almost violet steel-gray color, they are outdoors, and it is evening. Her jacket and scarf are slightly blue-shifted as well. Her hair color doesn't seem any different, though.
Where's your hair clip, Annie? Did you drop it in a river again? Or is it just the camera angles? We're only seeing her from her right side or from behind, so it might just be out of view.
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Post by silicondream on May 5, 2021 14:37:47 GMT
I wonder why Renard went to wait in the house while the two are speaking. Maybe it will be important that he gets to talk to post-"therapy" Tony before Annie has the chance. *wordless pawshake* Things to consider, since he's thoughtfully gone inside: - Could Renard take Jones? If so, what would happen?
- Why didn't Renard take Surma?
- If Renard had successfully taken Annie, how would we know?
- Has Annie ever asked Renard to take something with eyes? Accidentally?
- Who or what is Annie most likely to ask Renard to take? Deliberately?
- Paz. Nice choice?
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Post by aline on May 5, 2021 15:03:22 GMT
How did Jones communicate that she wanted to talk to Annie? She didn't. It's Annie who wanted to talk with Jones. She signaled she wanted to talk and asked about Jones' conversation with Tony. Annie knows Jones had a long conversation with her dad, since she also saw her going in. It's also pretty likely Annie met with her other friends and heard from them that Jones was asking questions about her mental state (she was going out with Kat, the adults were on the beach, probably a weekend). It's logical for Annie to be curious about what Jones is doing. |
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Post by flowsthead on May 5, 2021 15:15:49 GMT
Just wanted to say, on a less serious note, I am digging both Jones's and Annie's outfits. Jones looks good in purple. Annie is rocking some dope boots(booties maybe?). I like the shorter jacket look as well.
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Post by novia on May 5, 2021 15:41:46 GMT
I'm calling it. Annie has super spying powers now.
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Post by novia on May 5, 2021 15:45:34 GMT
Annie told him "I'll just be a minute" which means "don't wait for me / go ahead, I want to talk to this person". Annie just wanted some privacy. Sure, but the comic has a history of someone saying they'd be right back and disappearing for |a night⟩ + |6 months⟩. I think there was more than one case, but can't remember details. Are you thinking of that time Tony went out to buy some cigarettes? |
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Post by novia on May 5, 2021 15:51:26 GMT
I wonder why Renard went to wait in the house while the two are speaking. Maybe it will be important that he gets to talk to post-"therapy" Tony before Annie has the chance. *wordless pawshake* Things to consider, since he's thoughtfully gone inside: - Could Renard take Jones? If so, what would happen?
- Why didn't Renard take Surma?
- If Renard had successfully taken Annie, how would we know?
- Has Annie ever asked Renard to take something with eyes? Accidentally?
- Who or what is Annie most likely to ask Renard to take? Deliberately?
- Paz. Nice choice?
This is a children's comic. |
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Post by silicondream on May 5, 2021 16:31:48 GMT
*wordless pawshake* Things to consider, since he's thoughtfully gone inside: - Could Renard take Jones? If so, what would happen?
- Why didn't Renard take Surma?
- If Renard had successfully taken Annie, how would we know?
- Has Annie ever asked Renard to take something with eyes? Accidentally?
- Who or what is Annie most likely to ask Renard to take? Deliberately?
- Paz. Nice choice?
This is a children's comic. Then thoughtful and age-appropriate responses are possible, I'm sure. Discuss! ...to be honest, I just woke up wondering about Renard-related plot points. Thank you for reminding me of potential entailments, though. |
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Post by Sky Schemer on May 5, 2021 16:56:56 GMT
"...do you know what I mean?" wink wink, nudge nudge
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Post by 0o0f on May 5, 2021 17:12:19 GMT
Annie's eyes are a different color. A lot of focus has been given lately on reminding us she has bright blue eyes, and even in earlier panels without the added rendering to make them more vibrant, they are much more distinctly blue than shown here - in which we are zooming in on them in particular to notice this, it feels. This isn't the first time there's been some noticeable eye color shifts before - it happened with her mother, too, where Surma has heterochromia for a page: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1897What's it mean? Well, I've got no clue, but twice seems intentional, which seems interesting enough to emerge from lurking to comment about. Also of note: That Surma chapter was "Get Lost". Last chapter was "Find Yourself", right after "The Thousand Eyes". Coincidence?!?! ... well, maybe. I dunno. I was wondering if it was just my imagination and her eyes have always been more purple, or if they really did change. It probably is just meant to be a lighting effect, though... probably. (Also that chapter is so cute, makes it even sadder to think about how that union turned out :')) |
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