[2443] Jones and Anthony

[bedinsis]

I wonder what they're up to

[shadow3]

Mar 19, 2021 7:01:58 GMT bedinsis said:

I wonder what they're up to

I vote for hoochie coochie.

*cues belly dance music*

[Sky Schemer]

Am I the only one thinking that Jones and Tony are perfect for each other?

EDIT: Guess not.

[madjack]

I hope we don't get a scene cutaway to follow Annie and Kat here. This could be an interesting conversation.

Edit: Those two come across to me more as a team than a couple, much like Annie and Kat do. The one Anthony fell for was the polar-opposite Surma, and given Anthony's apparent position in the shadow men, he and Jones have probably worked together for a long time.

[philman]

Ok wow, the weird shippers jumped on this thread quickly.


Have we seen Jones and Tony interact much before? The scenes I can find she was mostly in the background while Tony and Eglamore argued with each other. Given Tony's nature I think he will regard her as a competent collegue who can be trusted to get things done rather than anything else!

I imagine both of them are equally suspicious of what is going down though

[arf]

"Their eyes met across a weedy garden..."

The only time we've seen Jones and Tony acting together is in Chapter 67: Evac, when Annie admits she might have done something that allowed Ysengrin to attack the Court after he killed Coyote.

Apart from that last panel, they're just good... colleagues. But it would be an interesting conversation to overhear.

[migrantworker]

I like the ambiguity of the scene. My first reaction was that Tony basically sent Jones to double-check on Annies for him, for reasons not yet stated. But then I read others mentioning Tony and Jones being a thing, had another look at the page and thought yes, I can see that happening as well. And there's bound to be other interpretations too.

[ruthie]

[wies]

Tony and Jones, the adult smiles brigade!

Mar 19, 2021 8:44:30 GMT migrantworker said:

I like the ambiguity of the scene. My first reaction was that Tony basically sent Jones to double-check on Annies for him, for reasons not yet stated. But then I read others mentioning Tony and Jones being a thing, had another look at the page and thought yes, I can see that happening as well. And there's bound to be other interpretations too.

Interesting idea that Tony would sent her to check up on her, but I doubt it. I think the relationship has improved well enough for him to get some idea of how well Annie is doing, and it doesn't seem befitting him to use other persons to deal with his own matters. Dude mutilated his own arm because he refused to turn to even someone else for advice. (Though his distrust of the court may have played a role too)

As to whether they would make a good couple, it might be a relief for them to find someone who is also having a hard time with emotions, but it seems their romantic interests do not lie that way. (Though with Jones it might be inaccurate to call it romantic) Jones is currently in some relationship with Eggers who is not exactly an example of stoicism and Tony fell for fiery Surma.

[philman]

Jones is not capable of romantic relationships, we know this already.

I think the look in the last panel is more of a "yeah we both know there's something wrong here don't we, what should we do about it?" sort of look more than anything else

How often has Tony come to the door to see Annie and Kat off before? He wouldn't do it if he didn't think something was up.

[migrantworker]

Mar 19, 2021 9:15:27 GMT wies said:

Tony and Jones, the adult smiles brigade!

Mar 19, 2021 8:44:30 GMT migrantworker said:

I like the ambiguity of the scene. My first reaction was that Tony basically sent Jones to double-check on Annies for him, for reasons not yet stated. But then I read others mentioning Tony and Jones being a thing, had another look at the page and thought yes, I can see that happening as well. And there's bound to be other interpretations too.

Interesting idea that Tony would sent her to check up on her, but I doubt it. I think the relationship has improved well enough for him to get some idea of how well she is doing, and it doesn't seem fitting him to use other persons to deal with his own matters. Dude mutilated his own arm because he refused to turn to even someone else for advice. (Though his distrust of the court may have played a role too)

As to whether they would make a good couple, it might be a relief for them to find someone who is also having a hard time with emotions, but it seems their romantic interests do not lie that way. (Though with Jones it might be inaccurate to call it romantic) Jones is currently in some relationship with Eggers who is not exactly an example of stoicism and Tony fell for fiery Surma.

Hmm, Tony's relationship with Annie has not as much improved as went out of whack. Think of it this way: so, there is one Annie now; can Tony relax in her presence? If yes, what has changed to make it happen? If not, what has changed to both make it possible but only with Forest Annie and to make it impossible again with Merged Annie? So many questions whichever way you turn.

Also, Annie herself would have been changed by the experience, happening as it did right in the middle of her formative years. Better be safe than sorry, and keep a close eye. Being a teenager, she won't just freely share her innermost insecurities with a parent, and will hide them if she realises she is being observed; but who better for Tony to hide behind than Jones, with her reputation for impartiality? And frankly, how much easier for Tony to hide behind someone if everybody thinks he would never try?

[saardvark]

Since it seems Kat and Annie just left Tony (and Annie's) house, the meeting seems a bit too fortuitous. Im guessing Jones was tracking Annie using the Court's "food tracking devices" and aimed to catch them just after leaving Tony, so she could get an impression from both and talk the findings over with Tony.

[peter2]

I find it interesting that when the two Annie’s became one, that the existing “timeline” continued as is, with everyone remembering that there were two Annie’s as opposed to switching to a new timeline based on one Annie having always existed.
I guess it remains to be seen if the whole two Annie’s illusion came from Loup, Zimmie or some other skip in the time continuum.

[ohthatone]

Romantic relationship whaaaa???
All I see is an acknowledgement of existence glance. But I do hope we stick around for a conversation between them.
Am curious about Annie's haste though.

[Gemminie]

Annie moves from "I'm still me!" to "OK, good talk, bye!" And Kat and Renard follow her lead. Of course, we don't know where they were originally going or what they were doing before Jones popped up. They were certainly planning to go somewhere, but there's no way to know where at this point.

Jones seems to wait for a fairly long amount of time, watching them get farther and farther away. She then turns and glances over her shoulder to see Tony, who has just come out of a building (through the open door behind him). The implication is strong that he's been observing this – and that Jones knew he was watching, though that's less certain. Did they make this plan in advance? We seem to know who at least one of the "people" are now. But are there other "people" who are trying to gauge Annie's sanity, or is it just Tony and Jones?

Mar 19, 2021 10:58:21 GMT saardvark said:

Since it seems Kat and Annie just left Tony (and Annie's) house, the meeting seems a bit too fortuitous. Im guessing Jones was tracking Annie using the Court's "food tracking devices" and aimed to catch them just after leaving Tony, so she could get an impression from both and talk the findings over with Tony.

The possibility that that might be the Carvers' home that Tony's emerging from had simply not occurred to me. I had thought he had just been observing all of this from within a random nearby building. But yes, Annie and Kat either just left Tony and Annie's house or another house exactly like it, because those sure look like the same steps. So ... how did this work? Did he call Jones? "Hi, Jones, this is Tony. My daughter's one girl again. I worry about her mental state. She and Katerina are about to leave the house and go somewhere. Could you please get here incredibly quickly and pretend to meet them by chance on the street, so you can get an impression of Antimony's sanity? Thanks." It seems difficult to arrange. Or did Jones do this on her own, or on the suggestion of others (not involving Tony), and did Jones perhaps plan for Tony to be watching?

[speedwell]

Mar 19, 2021 11:39:12 GMT ohthatone said:

Romantic relationship whaaaa???
All I see is an acknowledgement of existence glance. But I do hope we stick around for a conversation between them.
Am curious about Annie's haste though.

Her haste struck me as if she was a manic-depressive shading over into mania, or else in one of those states you get in when you know that if you settled down you would inevitably reflect on things you don't want to think about. Hounded.

[blahzor]

Jones is true love is only a asteroid

[gpvos]

Not directly related to today's comic, but I'm also really curious what Loup will think of the merged Annie.

[aline]

Mar 19, 2021 12:24:57 GMT speedwell said:

Her haste struck me as if she was a manic-depressive shading over into mania, or else in one of those states you get in when you know that if you settled down you would inevitably reflect on things you don't want to think about. Hounded.

Or maybe she's just happy to have one less worry on her mind, and to have come to terms with the memory of her late mother after struggling so long with conflicting feelings.
Not everything has to be impending doom all the time.

We already have Loup, Coyote's plan and the Court's "Omega" device brewing trouble. I don't think there's anything wrong with Annie right now.

[aline]

The last chapter was called "Find Yourself", which applies to both Zimmy and Annie. Annie found herself and I do believe she's as fine as she says.

Jones is probably just trying to understand what the heck is going on. Watching is what she does, and the Court possibly asked her to check on Annie.

Tony is probably unsure about his relationship with his daughter. In the previous chapter we saw that he had a different relationship with both Annies, and even when CourtAnnie tried to remove her make-up and dress like ForestAnnie, he still knew who she was and wasn't at ease with her like with ForestAnnie. Who knows what exactly he's thinking, but it's likely he doesn't know where to stand. He saw different things in both Annies, and only one of them was easier for him to connect to, so he has to come to terms with this change.

[pyradonis]

Mar 19, 2021 12:19:50 GMT Gemminie said:

The possibility that that might be the Carvers' home that Tony's emerging from had simply not occurred to me. I had thought he had just been observing all of this from within a random nearby building. But yes, Annie and Kat either just left Tony and Annie's house or another house exactly like it, because those sure look like the same steps. So ... how did this work? Did he call Jones? "Hi, Jones, this is Tony. My daughter's one girl again. I worry about her mental state. She and Katerina are about to leave the house and go somewhere. Could you please get here incredibly quickly and pretend to meet them by chance on the street, so you can get an impression of Antimony's sanity? Thanks." It seems difficult to arrange. Or did Jones do this on her own, or on the suggestion of others (not involving Tony), and did Jones perhaps plan for Tony to be watching?

Add "How much has passed between now and the previous chapter" to the long list of what we don't know.
For all we know, Jones (who IIRC does not need to eat, sleep or even rest) could have been standing there for two days to "accidentally" run into Annie.

Mar 19, 2021 7:04:24 GMT Sky Schemer said:

Am I the only one thinking that Jones and Tony are perfect for each other?

EDIT: Guess not.

Eglamore would flip out if another woman left him for Tony. (Even without that, I doubt it.)

[foxurus]

I'm guessing this comic is just a slow pan taking place over only a few moments, showing that Tony has been standing there for the last two pages.

In which case, yeah, Jones. What did you think she was gonna say when you asked her about her mental state right in front of her dad? The awkward glance between Annie and Kat is them both thinking, "Why is she asking me/you about this RIGHT HERE??"

[ctso74]

Jones: "So, I hear you like Eglamore's exs." *smiles in an inhuman manner*
Tony: *stoically nods* "Just how I like it."
Porno music plays, yet neither moves an inch. They just stand there like statues, for an uncomfortable amount of time.
And, scene!

Mar 19, 2021 12:24:57 GMT speedwell said:

Her haste struck me as if she was a manic-depressive shading over into mania

That's how it read to me, as well. Especially with Kat's "Um, bye!"
Still early, though. She could actually just be happy with her personal growth.

[philman]

Mar 19, 2021 12:24:57 GMT speedwell said:

Mar 19, 2021 11:39:12 GMT ohthatone said:

Romantic relationship whaaaa???
All I see is an acknowledgement of existence glance. But I do hope we stick around for a conversation between them.
Am curious about Annie's haste though.

Her haste struck me as if she was a manic-depressive shading over into mania, or else in one of those states you get in when you know that if you settled down you would inevitably reflect on things you don't want to think about. Hounded.

Yeah, the strange wild eyed grins Annie's had on panel 1 of Monday's page and panel 4 of Wednesday's page made me think something similar. She doesn't seem ok. As you said, "manic" is a good way to describe it

[Sky Schemer]

Mar 19, 2021 10:06:08 GMT philman said:

Jones is not capable of romantic relationships, we know this already.

This is exactly why they are perfect for each other.

That, and they have the exact same posture. Posture is very important.

[philman]

Also we can't see Tony's feet. In my headcanon I am imagining he still hasn't found his shoes yet.

[Sky Schemer]

Mar 19, 2021 14:29:22 GMT philman said:

Yeah, the strange wild eyed grins Annie's had on panel 1 of Monday's page and panel 4 of Wednesday's page made me think something similar. She doesn't seem ok. As you said, "manic" is a good way to describe it

Either that, or we're just not used to seeing Annie be happy.

When was the last time she was truly happy? And not just fleeting happy. I mean, happy about life in general. Page 1940?

[foxurus]

Mar 19, 2021 14:32:26 GMT Sky Schemer said:

Mar 19, 2021 14:29:22 GMT philman said:

Yeah, the strange wild eyed grins Annie's had on panel 1 of Monday's page and panel 4 of Wednesday's page made me think something similar. She doesn't seem ok. As you said, "manic" is a good way to describe it

Either that, or we're just not used to seeing Annie be happy.

When was the last time she was truly happy? And not just fleeting happy. I mean, happy about life in general. Page 1940?

I'd say 1999 and 2132, too. Arguably 2167 and 2214, which make it look like she's generally in a positive mood during downtime.

[wies]

Mar 19, 2021 14:30:54 GMT philman said:

Also we can't see Tony's feet. In my headcanon I am imagining he still hasn't found his shoes yet.

I had the same thought, heh.

[Gemminie]

Mar 19, 2021 12:24:57 GMT speedwell said:

Her haste struck me as if she was a manic-depressive shading over into mania, or else in one of those states you get in when you know that if you settled down you would inevitably reflect on things you don't want to think about. Hounded.

I'm still not sure. I suppose there's the possibility of Annie's mental state being questionable, but the trouble is that as soon as that possibility is raised, it's far too easy to find corroborating evidence in someone's behavior. You can't pick your conclusion and then find evidence to support it, because you can support any conclusion you want that way, which gets you no closer to the truth. (That's a generic "you," by the way, not you specifically.) But the possibility exists. Other possibilities, in which Annie's mental state is fine, are:

• Having her sanity questioned makes Annie really uncomfortable (as it would for most people), and she wants out of this conversation now.
• Annie's now questioning her own sanity thanks to Jones, and as you say above, she might now be trying to distract herself from thinking about that. (This is probably a specific case of the previous possibility, really.)
• Annie and Kat really have to get somewhere on time. (I consider this unlikely.)

I'm going to need more information before I can really get a handle on what Jones and/or Tony is/are doing. I can't even tell whether Tony and Jones are working together here. I keep writing more and deleting it, because there's so little I really know.