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Post by csj on Feb 15, 2021 8:01:34 GMT
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 15, 2021 8:03:27 GMT
Still not sure if that's Zeta stepping out of the elf or if the elf was Zeta all along (always has been).
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Feb 15, 2021 8:10:12 GMT
Is this the first time we've seen both of their thought bubbles?
They're identically colored, that's adorable
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Post by madjack on Feb 15, 2021 8:11:01 GMT
Still not sure if that's Zeta stepping out of the elf or if the elf was Zeta all along (always has been). Wouldn't blame Zimmy for wanting to be someone else for a while. |
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Post by ctso74 on Feb 15, 2021 8:22:32 GMT
The next time you're having a bad day, just remember what all Tam has been through.
Do Gillities go for therapy? Will Jack introduce Tam to his Zimmy Survivor Support Group?
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Post by basser on Feb 15, 2021 8:56:09 GMT
I'ma go ahead and choose to believe Renard's taking on aspects of Annie's personality through their bond, mostly because I find the idea of a forest god becoming subtly infected with teenage awkwardness extremely funny. |
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Post by Blitz on Feb 15, 2021 9:40:53 GMT
I'm surprised that Renard is not freaked out by Zimmy, I think this is the first time we've seen him together with Zimmy and not be all "demon girl"?
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Post by Corvo on Feb 15, 2021 10:42:44 GMT
I'm surprised that Renard is not freaked out by Zimmy, I think this is the first time we've seen him together with Zimmy and not be all "demon girl"? I'm guessing he's acting as calm as he can right now. |
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Post by Corvo on Feb 15, 2021 10:47:17 GMT
Is this the first time we've seen both of their thought bubbles?... |
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Post by saardvark on Feb 15, 2021 11:37:46 GMT
Gamma looking adorable again today....
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Post by guntherkrieg on Feb 15, 2021 12:30:31 GMT
Once again, an example of abusers not being held to account in Siddell's writing.
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Post by guntherkrieg on Feb 15, 2021 12:31:05 GMT
An anonymous etheric face-punch just doesn't cut it.
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 15, 2021 13:08:53 GMT
Still not sure if that's Zeta stepping out of the elf or if the elf was Zeta all along (always has been). Actually I saw it as Zimmy stepping through the elf, but yes, could also be both of the things you said. |
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Post by csj on Feb 15, 2021 13:13:26 GMT
ah yes unlike the well-known fairness and automatic karma of reality
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Post by pinegreenjellybean on Feb 15, 2021 14:45:09 GMT
The next time you're having a bad day, just remember what all Tam has been through. Do Gillities go for therapy? Will Jack introduce Tam to his Zimmy Survivor Support Group? Sooner or later Tam will fall in love with Zimmy, too. It's just the way of things. |
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Post by pinegreenjellybean on Feb 15, 2021 14:45:32 GMT
Once again, an example of abusers not being held to account in Siddell's writing. Can you elaborate? |
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Post by merry76 on Feb 15, 2021 14:46:14 GMT
ah yes unlike the well-known fairness and automatic karma of reality Also, punching (as it was suggested) would solve exactly nothing. Gamma knows how to handle Zimmy, its not the first time she does the calming down thing. A very motherly thing to do too. My wife can do it, I cant.
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Post by Bo No Bo on Feb 15, 2021 15:47:53 GMT
How much, I wonder, of Zimmy was coming through in Tam in the last page? It's likely at least some of it was Tam themselves since Gamma shushed Rey to hear their thoughts and gave that explanation, but I wonder if at least some of Tam's admittance of affection for Lise is Zimmy's recalling her affection for Gamma. Not like we haven't seen it before, but Zimmy hasn't stated such affection directly TO Gamma before, that I can recall. See www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=462 & www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1390 |
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Post by drmemory on Feb 15, 2021 16:37:54 GMT
Who said what: Pretty sure Zimmy said the first three things, and Gamma the other two. It's hard to be sure without any indication of what telepathic box belongs to who though. Gamma is the one that can sense things, right? Or maybe they both can. Or maybe it's emergent and only happens when they are together. Who knows? I bring this up because if you assume different people said the different things, it changes the meaning quite a bit. Like, are we really talking about the court taking Zimmy away, or Gamma? Either one just seems mean.  But maybe they need the walking ether battery somewhere else. Or maybe they need to make the walking ether battery go off in the court at the right time. That being said, it sure seems like the two "scared" lines go together, so that's probably right. Zimmy, Zimmy, Zimmy, Gamma, Gamma, Rey. Also, not the first time we've been warned that the court means to take someone far, far away. |
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Post by DonDueed on Feb 15, 2021 18:14:14 GMT
Who said what: Pretty sure Zimmy said the first three things, and Gamma the other two. I think that's pretty obviously correct. |
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Post by ffkonoko on Feb 15, 2021 22:12:36 GMT
Once again, an example of abusers not being held to account in Siddell's writing. Can you elaborate? "Tony is histories greatest monster and explaining something is the same as excusing it so no amount of grief,self-harm and anguish will sate my lust for Tony Comeuppance, I will not rest until he is not just dead, but with Annie standing over his grave being grateful he is dead and she is finally free" There, now we don't need to retread the same ground that has been trodden for literal years. |
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Post by blazingstar on Feb 15, 2021 22:19:33 GMT
I'ma go ahead and choose to believe Renard's taking on aspects of Annie's personality through their bond, mostly because I find the idea of a forest god becoming subtly infected with teenage awkwardness extremely funny. Maybe he can't hear their thought-conversation? The equivalent of taking a discussion from public to the DMs. |
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Post by Runningflame on Feb 16, 2021 2:10:02 GMT
Who said what: Zimmy, Zimmy, Zimmy, Gamma, Gamma, Rey. For what it's worth, I read it as Zimmy, Zimmy, Zimmy, Gamma, Zimmy, Rey. Mostly because of the last two boxes being close to Gamma's head and Zimmy's head respectively. |
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Post by Igniz on Feb 16, 2021 2:57:23 GMT
For what it's worth, I read it as Zimmy, Zimmy, Zimmy, Gamma, Zimmy, Rey. I absolutely agree with this. I thought it was pretty obvious, in fact. |
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Post by drmemory on Feb 16, 2021 6:22:32 GMT
I don't know that it is obvious either way, that's why I brought it up. Fun to think about!
Here's another possible interpretation: Zimmy, Zimmy, Gamma, Gamma, Zimmy. It seems more likely that the third one would be Zimmy because she is the one normally shown to have separation anxiety, but if they take away Gamma they will basically trigger a Zimmy meltdown in the court, whereas if they take away Zimmy they can trigger a Zimmy meltdown at a site of their choosing.
Of course, they could confine Zimmy in the Omega Lab and take away Gamma, repeating the approach of the Seraphs and the Boat Brain.
Hmmm. Where did the Seraph robots and the Boat get the idea for that plan, anyway? I don't remember seeing a lot of creativity among the robots in general. Could that have been an adaptation of a plan the court had for Zimmy? Do we know if the robots have access to the court's computers? We know the court has some, and that they are not easily accessed!
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Post by mturtle7 on Feb 16, 2021 7:02:29 GMT
I don't know that it is obvious either way, that's why I brought it up. Fun to think about! Here's another possible interpretation: Zimmy, Zimmy, Gamma, Gamma, Zimmy. It seems more likely that the third one would be Zimmy because she is the one normally shown to have separation anxiety, but if they take away Gamma they will basically trigger a Zimmy meltdown in the court, whereas if they take away Zimmy they can trigger a Zimmy meltdown at a site of their choosing. Of course, they could confine Zimmy in the Omega Lab and take away Gamma, repeating the approach of the Seraphs and the Boat Brain. Hmmm. Where did the Seraph robots and the Boat get the idea for that plan, anyway? I don't remember seeing a lot of creativity among the robots in general. Could that have been an adaptation of a plan the court had for Zimmy? Do we know if the robots have access to the court's computers? We know the court has some, and that they are not easily accessed!
I started out this post intending to argue against your theory, but now It's really starting to hit me that, even if they didn't directly plan the whole thing, the Court must have very deliberately provided the Seraphs with precisely all the scientific data, technological equipment, and magical wards needed in order to pull off their crazy plan...and in the process, managed to conclusively prove that Zimmy can, in fact, create Level 6 etheric distortions "upon request". It would be an awfully convoluted scheme just to test some fancy new equipment, but I can readily believe that coming from the Court!
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 16, 2021 9:49:11 GMT
I don't know that it is obvious either way, that's why I brought it up. Fun to think about! Here's another possible interpretation: Zimmy, Zimmy, Gamma, Gamma, Zimmy. It seems more likely that the third one would be Zimmy because she is the one normally shown to have separation anxiety, but if they take away Gamma they will basically trigger a Zimmy meltdown in the court, whereas if they take away Zimmy they can trigger a Zimmy meltdown at a site of their choosing. Of course, they could confine Zimmy in the Omega Lab and take away Gamma, repeating the approach of the Seraphs and the Boat Brain. Hmmm. Where did the Seraph robots and the Boat get the idea for that plan, anyway? I don't remember seeing a lot of creativity among the robots in general. Could that have been an adaptation of a plan the court had for Zimmy? Do we know if the robots have access to the court's computers? We know the court has some, and that they are not easily accessed!
I started out this post intending to argue against your theory, but now It's really starting to hit me that, even if they didn't directly plan the whole thing, the Court must have very deliberately provided the Seraphs with precisely all the scientific data, technological equipment, and magical wards needed in order to pull off their crazy plan...and in the process, managed to conclusively prove that Zimmy can, in fact, create Level 6 etheric distortions "upon request". It would be an awfully convoluted scheme just to test some fancy new equipment, but I can readily believe that coming from the Court!
Well, that would explain why we've never seen the Court doing anything about the Seraphs. The Boat was dead anyway, but the other conspirators? Didn't even get a sternly worded memo from the court, it seems. |
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Post by todd on Feb 16, 2021 12:57:01 GMT
I remember that the theory that the Court was behind the Seraphs's scheme came up frequently during "The Torn Sea" - with, also, the point that the Headmaster's daughter was on board the Ship, and would they have endangered her? (And with no telling how many other children on board that boat were the offspring of important people at the Court. Of course, the higher-ups like the Headmaster might be willing to sacrifice their children for the sake of scientific research - but it does raise the question of what about the ones like Eglamore and the Donlans who've shown both a lot of competence and a strong sense of right and wrong.)
Still, there's one recent thing we've learned about the Court (last week); the part about how Kat will "help lead [it] in a better direction". In other words, the Court isn't past saving. (And, for all the harm it's done, its schemings have had a feeling of being more misguided than malevolent - in some cases, getting so excited about the new discoveries it's pursuing that it doesn't consider the consequences for some - Kat's fallen victim to that temptation herself at times - and in others, being so afraid of the Forest that it'll commit atrocities just to keep itself safe. That might itself be a sign that the Court's not beyond help.)
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Post by ohthatone on Feb 16, 2021 13:19:06 GMT
For what it's worth, I read it as Zimmy, Zimmy, Zimmy, Gamma, Zimmy, Rey. I absolutely agree with this. I thought it was pretty obvious, in fact. I think I see why this is confusing. The line "I know they're up to something (etc)" seems like something zimmy would say, being in touch with that kind of knowledge, but in a more gentle language more in character with gamma. Really either character could be saying it. |
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Post by blahzor on Feb 16, 2021 15:56:27 GMT
Who said what: Zimmy, Zimmy, Zimmy, Gamma, Gamma, Rey. For what it's worth, I read it as Zimmy, Zimmy, Zimmy, Gamma, Zimmy, Rey. Mostly because of the last two boxes being close to Gamma's head and Zimmy's head respectively. odd that's also the characters in the chapter as well ;p |
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But maybe they need the walking ether battery somewhere else. Or maybe they need to make the walking ether battery go off in the court at the right time.
