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Post by mturtle7 on Jan 30, 2021 3:42:18 GMT
Y'all are ignoring the simple answer of "art evolution". It's been many, many chapters since we saw adult Surma (NOT teenage or school-age Surma), and as we're all aware, Tom's art grows in leaps and bounds. Phh, next thing you'll be telling us that red-haired girl is supposed to be Annie, despite her head not being shaped like a football at all! *insert obligatory Eglamore joke here* |
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Post by Isildur on Feb 4, 2021 9:19:38 GMT
Perhaps now is a good time to ask the question (again) why Zeta's parents don't remember her. I think it's reasonable to speculate that thanks to repeated outflows of Zeta's power their memories of her were destroyed, and the most reasonable way that would have happened is for Zeta to have killed herself over and over in the crummyverse/Zimmingham. Maybe Zeta did that with the purpose of easing her parents' pain through self-erasure but the need to bond with parents is a primal thing so I think it's more likely that she couldn't stand the way she appeared in her parents' eyes and therefore destroyed the parts of her parents that reflected her one by one over time until they didn't appear anymore. Presumably she started wandering the streets after that as she no longer had a home because she was a stranger there. If that is the case, then wouldn't gopping the Surma delete part of Antimonies that remembers her mother? Maybe that would be therapeutic for dealing with loss but even so, is it good? or maybe its just that Zimmy is affecting Annie's mind at a deeper, primal/emotional level, below the rational level. Annie logically expects to see Gamma, but awash with Zimmster's powerful emotions suffusing through her, she instead "sees" the equivalent person who would stir those same emotions in herself.... her mum. What you're describing, Antimonies' subconscious in the drivers seat of Zeta's manifestations instead of Antimonies' consciousnesses, seems plausible but if true it means something that Renard is stuck as a stuffed toy. Something demeaning.  Also that outburst from Zeta about Antimonies being like the elves may have been driven less by what Zeta actually thinks and more about Antimonies' worrying that Zeta thinks that. Where are you getting the idea that gopping deletes memories in the person whose memories gave form to the figment? The figment Kat getting gopped, way back, didn't have any discernible effect on Annie's memories of her. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 4, 2021 19:31:50 GMT
Where are you getting the idea that gopping deletes memories in the person whose memories gave form to the figment? The figment Kat getting gopped, way back, didn't have any discernible effect on Annie's memories of her. I'm speculating that Nobodies, the sometimes-faceless things that are not real people, are impressions of people from someone's mind and therefore are linked to and perhaps equivalent to memories of that person because of what happened that time when a Nobody of Jack managed to catch Zeta. We can also point to the need for corrupted Jacks to catch the uncorrupted ones to finish the process. I think it's reasonable to wonder if destroying Nobodies also deletes the impression/memory they originated from, particularly since it was out-of-comic revealed that Zeta's parents not only don't remember her but the memories of her didn't just fade away. That said, I do not know if a "gop" is the same as violently offing a Nobody. [edit] More directly to your question, even if impressions overlap so that more than one memory would be deleted I don't see any reason for the destruction of one Surma-Nobody to have a discernable effect on an Antimony. The key part of that statement is "discernable effect" though. The absence in the web of memories and impressions that a child would have of a loving parent may, if the correct circumstances come into being, become noticeable... perhaps through absence or lack instead of effect. If gopping does delete memories and gopping Surmas becomes a regular thing, on the other hand, we might see some explicit effect. [/edit] |
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Also that outburst from Zeta about Antimonies being like the elves may have been driven less by what Zeta actually thinks and more about Antimonies' worrying that Zeta thinks that.