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Post by justhalf on Jan 15, 2021 8:04:45 GMT
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Post by Lizuka on Jan 15, 2021 8:06:51 GMT
I'm sorry, "Hello, doggie," just has me wanting to make The Room jokes.
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Post by jda on Jan 15, 2021 8:07:10 GMT
New quirk: Zimminghan is NOT the Ether. Just one of the multiple layers.
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Post by speedwell on Jan 15, 2021 8:11:28 GMT
I'm still laughing about "Oh hello doggie". (Yes, it is Renard's Ether form.) Gamma's always had the diction, in the comic, of a seven-or-eight-year-old child, I notice.
Before everyone speculates on where Gamma is falling to and why Zimmy's world is going doolally, I propose that Gamma's falling, simply, asleep. And that we're just getting a sample of why she tries so hard not to.
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Post by philman on Jan 15, 2021 8:13:35 GMT
Is that Renard? he looks kinda... derpy
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Jan 15, 2021 8:17:52 GMT
Ooo, are we gonna get to hear Gamma talk about this stuff? We so rarely get her perspective
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Post by speedwell on Jan 15, 2021 8:18:56 GMT
Is that Renard? he looks kinda... derpy Startled and shocked. He has never seen her in the Ether before and may never have expected to. She may in fact "be" Annie, or one of them, as you do. We don't really know yet  Remember he also called Zimmy a "demon" early on. We didn't see what prompted that, except that it was in the part of the story that related to her "science" fair "experiment". Questions to answer: Why Gamma always has black tips to her hair (it's been more than enough time for old dye to grow out). And whether Gamma and Renard really have met before in the Ether, maybe even before Annie and Renard met. |
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Post by Gotolei on Jan 15, 2021 8:22:37 GMT
I'm kind of curious about Gamma apparently speaking English here, though I guess it's likely to be the same sort of telepathy she uses with Zimmy all the time, given the current apparent state of reality.
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Post by wies on Jan 15, 2021 8:33:06 GMT
Is that Renard? he looks kinda... derpy He has had his moments in the Ether. Questions to answer: Why Gamma always has black tips to her hair (it's been more than enough time for old dye to grow out). And whether Gamma and Renard really have met before in the Ether, maybe even before Annie and Renard met. No idea, but I like that these tips blur the boundary between the darkness and her hair. |
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Post by peachpie on Jan 15, 2021 8:53:22 GMT
Gamma working dem hips tho
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Post by pyradonis on Jan 15, 2021 9:00:35 GMT
My first thought: A text box? Gamma was the narrator all along. I'm kind of curious about Gamma apparently speaking English here, though I guess it's likely to be the same sort of telepathy she uses with Zimmy all the time, given the current apparent state of reality. |
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Post by Corvo on Jan 15, 2021 9:09:23 GMT
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Post by Corvo on Jan 15, 2021 9:29:21 GMT
Thought 1: Plushie Renard is not real Renard (A Nobody? Zimmy?)
Thought 2: Renard is not shifted like the Annies, but similar! He's split and now we have Plushie Renard and Ether Renard, and both are real.
Thought 3: Next page goes like this...
Gamma — This is the 4th wall room. There you can see all the people always watching us.
Renard — What?! You mean they just keep staring and won't help us? That's horrible!
Gamma — Yes, they are very creepy and horrible and sometimes gross too. Zimmy says it's because they have such boring lifes.
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Post by migrantworker on Jan 15, 2021 10:07:07 GMT
(...) She may in fact "be" Annie, or one of them, as you do. We don't really know yet Well, she is channeling Annie, kind of. |
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Post by merry76 on Jan 15, 2021 10:10:57 GMT
Aparently make him look awesome. I like those Rune/Decoration Rims |
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Post by madjack on Jan 15, 2021 12:20:42 GMT
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Post by Jota on Jan 15, 2021 14:31:05 GMT
I'm still laughing about "Oh hello doggie". (Yes, it is Renard's Ether form.) Gamma's always had the diction, in the comic, of a seven-or-eight-year-old child, I notice. Hmm. Is that true? I had been wondering why, after years of living in an environment where everyone else only speaks English, she still wouldn't have picked it up by immersion. But if what you say is true, I wonder if there's another factor at play relating to Gamma's mental level? |
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Post by ctso74 on Jan 15, 2021 14:47:38 GMT
And now we have to struggle with a naming convention for Plushie Renard and Etheric Renard. The two Annies weren't enough? Way to go Zimmy.
It's possible, that Rey merely tried looking in the Ether mid-conversation, but it doesn't quite seem that way from the panels.
If Plenard(Rushie?) isn't even Rey, that would explain why he can't change. Or if Rey has been divided into different aspects of himself, that would allow fun dialogue between Gamma and... Ethard?
We may need an onomatologist.
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Post by jda on Jan 15, 2021 14:59:26 GMT
And now we have to struggle with a naming convention for Plushie Renard and Etheric Renard. The two Annies weren't enough? Way to go Zimmy. It's possible, that Rey merely tried looking in the Ether mid-conversation, but it doesn't quite seem that way from the panels. If Plenard(Rushie?) isn't even Rey, that would explain why he can't change. Or if Rey has been divided into different aspects of himself, that would allow fun dialogue between Gamma and... Ethard? We may need an onomatologist. Lo and behold, there were 3 sides of reality: Boring!Reality, Etheric!Reality and Zimmyngham!Reality, And each of one contained a different Renard, Annies &Co, and each was true. But a beyon them a sygnet of another era, was able to switch between them, no, beneath them, because she was cursed to only have one at a time, like a dice with only one side, or a triangle with only height. Such "plane" traveler was called, a Gamma. |
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Post by Gemminie on Jan 15, 2021 15:10:34 GMT
I'm still laughing about "Oh hello doggie". (Yes, it is Renard's Ether form.) Gamma's always had the diction, in the comic, of a seven-or-eight-year-old child, I notice. Hmm. Is that true? I had been wondering why, after years of living in an environment where everyone else only speaks English, she still wouldn't have picked it up by immersion. But if what you say is true, I wonder if there's another factor at play relating to Gamma's mental level? I wonder too, now that you and speedwell are mentioning it, but that may only be part of it. I think that what we've got here is a telepath who spends most of her time in mental contact with one other person. I think they probably don't use words to talk to other people very often, likely keeping to themselves most of the time. When someone speaks English to them, Zimmy translates for Gamma – and not always accurately (and Gamma seems to realize that). And when they talk to each other, it's done telepathically, which wouldn't help Gamma learn English. |
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Post by Gemminie on Jan 15, 2021 15:40:57 GMT
The panels continue to fall away, continuing and completing our shift in PoV. Gamma appears to be falling, or drifting in empty black space as if in zero gravity. But soon we see Renard's ethereal form, much like when Annie was talking to him in the Ether in chapter 57, only much more surprised. Gamma has become aware, at least in this state, and Renard is somehow here as well as with the Annies and the tree people. It's unclear in what way he's in both "places," precisely. Perhaps, as many have suspected, the Renard we've been seeing isn't real, a Nobody duplicate. Perhaps the Annies aren't real. Perhaps none of them are real. But since we've drifted away from what's happening in Zimmingham, we don't know whether or not the Renard there is aware of what's happening here. I mean, right now he could be saying, "Gamma! I've found her in the Ether, but I don't know where she is in this cursed place." Or maybe that isn't happening at all. It's interesting, though, that Gamma "materialized" next to Renard in Ether-space. I was assuming that the Annies and Renard appeared next to each other in Zimmingham because of their familiar link, even though they can't communicate with it as they normally can. But Gamma and Renard have no such link. On the other hand, Gamma and Zimmy have a very close bond, and Renard was physically right next to Zimmy when the whole Zimmingham episode began. I'm not sure why neither of the Annies has even tried to look into the Ether – perhaps doing so requires a certain amount of calm so they can focus, and they just can't muster that much calm right now – but I'm guessing that if they did, they'd see Renard and Gamma. That's assuming the Annies we've been seeing are real, of course, and I wonder the same about the tree elves, but the same thing applies. Zimmingham's a place of shadows and illusions, a world of thought-forms out of Zimmy's mind, much like the RotD is a spook show made by the spooks who work there. I wonder what Kat would be seeing if she were here right now. I mean, when she went to the RotD, she still went somewhere, though she didn't see much of the spook show – only the practical effects, none of the post-production CGI and rotoscoping, as it were. But anyway, it's interesting to see some sort of interaction between two aspects of the Ether. Typically we see only one strange ethereal environment per chapter, if we see any, but then this chapter has Zimmy in it. I suspect we saw multiple layers of the Ether in chapter 38, too, and that's also a Zimmy chapter. |
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Post by jocobo on Jan 15, 2021 16:40:31 GMT
I'm at a loss on speculation. I don't know what's happening and I don't know where we are going.
So instead I will simply fawn over how much I love how Renard drawn. He's so dignified one moment and so expressive the next. And even with his shocked derp face I still think he's kind of beautiful. Honestly, it reminds me that he and Coyote are related. Both can go from elegant, powerful and dignified in one frame to the opposite in the next frame. It makes them look so human.
I really love how he can be expressive in Fox form without being anthropomorphized. If I startled a fox, I can see it making this expression. So that's great.
That orange isn't a shade we get to see often in the comic and its always so distinctive when it appears. Love it.
The little details of the runes to help make the outline of his fur pattern more distinctive.
So yes, very happy. More etheric Renard please.
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Jan 15, 2021 18:06:22 GMT
Questions to answer: Why Gamma always has black tips to her hair
Clearly that's where all Zimmy's ink goes whenever her eyes clear up. |
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Post by DonDueed on Jan 15, 2021 18:50:05 GMT
Is that Renard? he looks kinda... derpy Startled and shocked. He has never seen her in the Ether before and may never have expected to. She may in fact "be" Annie, or one of them, as you do. We don't really know yet Remember he also called Zimmy a "demon" early on. We didn't see what prompted that, except that it was in the part of the story that related to her "science" fair "experiment". Questions to answer: Why Gamma always has black tips to her hair (it's been more than enough time for old dye to grow out). And whether Gamma and Renard really have met before in the Ether, maybe even before Annie and Renard met.Plot twist: Renard is Annie too. |
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Post by migrantworker on Jan 15, 2021 21:56:37 GMT
Startled and shocked. He has never seen her in the Ether before and may never have expected to. She may in fact "be" Annie, or one of them, as you do. We don't really know yet Remember he also called Zimmy a "demon" early on. We didn't see what prompted that, except that it was in the part of the story that related to her "science" fair "experiment". Questions to answer: Why Gamma always has black tips to her hair (it's been more than enough time for old dye to grow out). And whether Gamma and Renard really have met before in the Ether, maybe even before Annie and Renard met.Plot twist: Renard is Annie too. At some point, there can only be one conclusion: 4u00fy.jpg (53.96 KB) |
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Post by saardvark on Jan 16, 2021 0:46:30 GMT
Questions to answer: Why Gamma always has black tips to her hair
Clearly that's where all Zimmy's ink goes whenever her eyes clear up. The black reaches almost her ears at top, but isn't even apparent below. Maybe its more of a shading, indicating her hair is glossy when looked at from certain angles(?) |
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Post by saardvark on Jan 16, 2021 1:13:30 GMT
I'm kind of curious about Gamma apparently speaking English here, though I guess it's likely to be the same sort of telepathy she uses with Zimmy all the time, given the current apparent state of reality. She's not speaking aloud... no point to her bubble, like there is with Renard. But its not clear it is telepathy either - since then there is a kinked connection with a star-like spot on her head here on the Zimmulated ship: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1424in "real space", after helping Annie www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1053in Zimmingham www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=727but no connection at all here! Actually, maybe this is how telepathy "looks" in the ether, since *if* this is the ether, I think its the first time we've seen Gamma in it. But if it is the ether, why is Renard so freaked out and lost? If its not the ether, where is it? lack of a kink-to-star connection for Gamma's speech suggests it not Zimmingham OR "normal reality". A new Zimmyfied ether?? (OK, crazy idea...) |
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Post by Runningflame on Jan 16, 2021 2:28:29 GMT
Gamma — This is the 4th wall room. There you can see all the people always watching us.Renard — What?! You mean they just keep staring and won't help us? That's horrible!Gamma — Yes, they are very creepy and horrible and sometimes gross too. Zimmy says it's because they have such boring lives. |
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Post by blahzor on Jan 16, 2021 6:56:37 GMT
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Post by blahzor on Jan 16, 2021 7:03:13 GMT
Teddy Rey hasn't been Rey the entire time and has been stuck in that void til Gamma opened her eyes to acknowledge is my guess. Everyone gets put in the void when Zimmy is talking through them which is good. They don't have to deal with the spiders
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