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Post by Timberwere on Nov 11, 2020 8:04:04 GMT
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 11, 2020 8:15:43 GMT
Unexpected personal interaction detected! Potential for emotional intimacy rising; default defensive protocol engaging.
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Post by arf on Nov 11, 2020 8:19:26 GMT
Annie's wearing him down, raindrop by raindrop.
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Post by arf on Nov 11, 2020 8:21:44 GMT
"I think I [...]* something."
*insert word here.
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Post by justcurious on Nov 11, 2020 8:26:13 GMT
Social anxiety is striking. But why does it strike with C0ourt Annie and Pre-Split Annie but not as much Forrest Annie or most other people? One hypothesis seems disproved. It does not seem to be the makeup reminding him of Surma. This could be the main theme of this chapter.
Also is it Tony's problem with most people just social anxiety or does he have an Autism Spectrum Disorder? And does Annie have a milder form of the same problem?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 11, 2020 8:39:24 GMT
Fast recap of my previous speculation: I think we can infer from this page and the following that Courtnie used Surma's memory as a verbal cudgel to win one or more arguments with Anthony. Fannie is a version of Antimony that never said those things. |
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Post by csj on Nov 11, 2020 9:09:47 GMT
is it Tony's problem with most people just social anxiety while there is some awkwardness (and speculation based on that) during his parts of the flashback pages, modern day tony is almost certainly a product of some rather... traumatic events since then |
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Post by blahzor on Nov 11, 2020 9:12:53 GMT
It's where Annie gets her great people skills
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Post by speedwell on Nov 11, 2020 9:27:25 GMT
Adorkable. I just had to come and say that. I literally laughed out loud. Poor kids (I include Tony).  |
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Post by speedwell on Nov 11, 2020 9:33:39 GMT
Social anxiety is striking. But why does it strike with C0ourt Annie and Pre-Split Annie but not as much Forrest Annie or most other people? One hypothesis seems disproved. It does not seem to be the makeup reminding him of Surma. This could be the main theme of this chapter. Also is it Tony's problem with most people just social anxiety or does he have an Autism Spectrum Disorder? And does Annie have a milder form of the same problem? As a person on the spectrum, I think Tony's issues need not necessarily be ASD if they are adequately explained by social anxiety. I think ASD would be more like the surgeon who I had years ago who, when I asked a question that indicated my fear of the process, wiggled his fingers in the air and said with a great deal of arrogant pride, "I trust these more than a machine". Not the most socially gifted individual (someone more tuned in would have offered comfort),. but a brilliant surgeon who saved my life. |
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Post by arcuna on Nov 11, 2020 10:34:15 GMT
In the final page of Get Lost, Annie points out that she has been alone with Tony plenty of times, but he is always awkward around her. I always interpreted Anja and Kat's reactions as implying that Tony's awkwardness stems from the fact that he sees his dead wife every time he looks at his daughter (but maybe I totally missed the mark there). Whatever Tony's reason for treating the two Annies differently, I feel like his treatment of Court Annie is how he always treated his daughter back when he only had one. I don't have a good explanation for his ability to relax around Forest Annie, but whatever it is, I'm not convinced it's because of something that happened in the six months that Forest Annie missed. |
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Post by pyradonis on Nov 11, 2020 11:03:06 GMT
Good thing he thought of locking the computer! Industry espionage is a real threat to the economy!
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Post by kaz on Nov 11, 2020 11:25:26 GMT
"Due to a strike at the Meterological Office, there will be no weather today."
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Post by worldsong on Nov 11, 2020 11:34:03 GMT
I'm just happy with every piece of evidence that Tony's stiff demeanour is a result of him having difficulty dealing with the situation rather than him intentionally being a prick.
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Post by blahzor on Nov 11, 2020 12:41:50 GMT
Good thing he thought of locking the computer! Industry espionage is a real threat to the economy! Weather spreadsheets? In this economy? |
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Post by fia on Nov 11, 2020 12:49:38 GMT
Good thing he thought of locking the computer! Industry espionage is a real threat to the economy! Yeah this was super SUS ("suspicious," for those of you not in with the kids' slang these days) to me. I do believe Tony has some emotional issues around Courtnie, but we know weather is related to ether and to Zimmy. Tony is trying to close his screen before Courtnie can peek. SUPER SUS. |
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Post by fia on Nov 11, 2020 12:52:06 GMT
I also want to note Tony did a one-handed lock with his formerly amputated hand. Kat's work is very impressive!!!
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Post by ohthatone on Nov 11, 2020 13:16:52 GMT
Good thing he thought of locking the computer! Industry espionage is a real threat to the economy! Wonder if that was just a simple reflex to leaving his computer. Or if he's projecting himself on to annie ("if I were her, I'd start snooping as soon as the opportunity.") Edited to remove stupid question |
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Nov 11, 2020 13:28:54 GMT
Good thing he thought of locking the computer! Industry espionage is a real threat to the economy! yeah, that was the most obvious Windows key + L I've ever seen! |
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Post by speedwell on Nov 11, 2020 13:32:28 GMT
Good thing he thought of locking the computer! Industry espionage is a real threat to the economy! Wonder if that was just a simple reflex to leaving his computer. Or if he's projecting himself on to annie ("if I were her, I'd start snooping as soon as the opportunity.") Edited to remove stupid question If he were Annie, he would definitely start snooping. Tony is not actually obtuse; he's just unable to act socially as other people would. If he was able to grow out of his teenage social anxiety, as seems likely when we saw glimpses of his interactions with other people on his travels, his experiences when he started to make bad choices and listen to evil otherworldly influences likely knocked him back several developmental steps. My husband and I lock the computer every time we get up. It's not mistrust. It's that I work in account security for a living and it's a habit I cultivate and taught him to cultivate. I am not surprised to see Tony do it. I think it likely indicates a professional habit of secrecy like mine, not anything specifically related to Annie herself. Although he has no particular reason to mistrust her, he has no particular reason to allow her access, either. |
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Post by alevice on Nov 11, 2020 14:22:07 GMT
Good thing he thought of locking the computer! Industry espionage is a real threat to the economy! I mean, it is common company policy at many places, he probably did it out of habit. Gotta commend using only his synth hand to do it. |
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Post by ctso74 on Nov 11, 2020 14:39:34 GMT
If the story turns into guessing his password, I'll be disappointed. His password should be a long meaningless passphrase, with a random-character word added for salt.
If his password turns out to be "SurmAnnie", I'm kicking my monitor.
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Post by Refugee on Nov 11, 2020 14:52:11 GMT
If the story turns into guessing his password, I'll be disappointed. His password should be a long meaningless passphrase, with a random-character word added for salt. If his password turns out to be "SurmAnnie", I'm kicking my monitor. Yup. I avoid coming up with my own passwords. There are online passphrase generators that do a far more random job than I can. (Last time I had to do one myself, I was not in any of my familiar settings, so I glanced out the window, picked two or three objects at random, and tossed in a special character and a number. Best I could do under the circumstances.) There was an episode of Stargate where the good guys had to guess the bad guy's password. He stupidly had a picture of his dog on his desk.... === The weather does not seem to alter much? That is indeed interesting. That's like right up there with a thumbprint on the moon interesting. === What is that short, slanted pillar next to the clock? I've seen such a thing, but can't quite place it. A travel clock, perhaps? === Tony, did you perhaps forget something? Is something being blocked for you? === So tempted to want Annie to go up to her Dad and kiss him on the cheek. But appealing as that might be story wise, it would be the wrong thing to do. Tony is struggling with something, and he needs to work it out himself. If Annie tries to force it, she might close him off. |
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Post by Gemminie on Nov 11, 2020 15:03:26 GMT
What's that weird little thing next to the clock on the shelf? And my brain goes straight to listening devices. What if it's not about which Annie he's talking to? What if he's only awkward when he thinks the Court's listening, and it's been a coincidence that he thinks the Court's listening whenever Court Annie is around? What if he's had this fear since he discovered something about the Court way back when? Probably wrong, but I'm just thinking about how we're going to get to who/what's "Behind It All." |
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Post by ag0id on Nov 11, 2020 15:08:42 GMT
What is that short, slanted pillar next to the clock? I've seen such a thing, but can't quite place it. A travel clock, perhaps? I don't think this is it, but I can't stop comparing it to a kilogram weight that's been cut on the bias... it certainly wouldn't be the oddest thing Tony owns.
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Post by migrantworker on Nov 11, 2020 15:57:57 GMT
The weather does not seem to alter much? That is indeed interesting. That's like right up there with a thumbprint on the moon interesting. Well... The last time the sky was shown with some clouds in it was all the way back then. Even at night, the sky seemed to be full of stars ever since. Yup, I agree. |
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Post by Gotolei on Nov 11, 2020 16:14:56 GMT
What is that short, slanted pillar next to the clock? I've seen such a thing, but can't quite place it. A travel clock, perhaps? From the one that I've seen, it could be just a solid chunk of glass/resin/plastic that's colored on the bottom, and has a little 3d model of some sort suspended inside (could be a globe, a company logo, etc) that refracts to the slanted surface and around the sides in interesting ways. Basically a paperweight. |
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Post by atteSmythe on Nov 11, 2020 16:18:19 GMT
I read Tony’s lines with bird-person’s voice today, and it made him infinitely more bearable to me.
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Post by blazingstar on Nov 11, 2020 16:27:06 GMT
Social anxiety is striking. But why does it strike with Court Annie and Pre-Split Annie but not as much Forest Annie or most other people? Social anxiety DOES strike Tony with most other people. He just knows how to deal with it while he's at work, where he can keep a strictly professional relationship. It's been theorized before in this very forum that he sees Forest!Annie as a "new" Annie he can start over with, and have the relationship he wish he had with the Annie he's spent 6 months with. Also is it Tony's problem with most people just social anxiety or does he have an Autism Spectrum Disorder? And does Annie have a milder form of the same problem? Tony definitely is on the Autism spectrum in my headcanon, but it's unlikely to be confirmed in-comic or by Tom. I don't think Annie has ASD, but she was socially conditioned by Tony, who wasn't the...greatest example of social interaction. It took her years of separation from him to unlearn some of that, as we can see by the sharp contrast in her reversion when Tony came back. The interesting thing is, Tom has stated multiple times that Annie used to " know how to act like a kid" when she was a kid. |
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 11, 2020 18:22:40 GMT
Also is it Tony's problem with most people just social anxiety or does he have an Autism Spectrum Disorder? And does Annie have a milder form of the same problem? Tony definitely is on the Autism spectrum in my headcanon, but it's unlikely to be confirmed in-comic or by Tom. I don't think Annie has ASD, but she was socially conditioned by Tony, who wasn't the...greatest example of social interaction. It took her years of separation from him to unlearn some of that, as we can see by the sharp contrast in her reversion when Tony came back. The interesting thing is, Tom has stated multiple times that Annie used to " know how to act like a kid" when she was a kid. Well, besides Tony, Annie did also have Surma as a role model & teacher while growing up, and it seems like she was perfectly sociable and helped Annie be the same way...at least, as much as she could be in a hospital. Remember, it's not like her parents were the only people Annie had to talk with (admittedly, she may have learned some entirely different weird social habits from that, but at least they're not the same as Tony's problems). I suspect that a lot of the emotional stoicism we saw from Annie in the beginning of the comic wasn't so much because of her dad, but because she was still working through a lot of trauma from her mom's death. Having your mom die quietly in front of you is enough to make anyone forget how to act like a kid for a long-ass time! Of course, Tony's, um, stellar example of parenthood didn't exactly help, and it was especially harmful when it comes to what Annie learned about openly communicating about emotional problems (namely: "don't ever do it, cryptic reassurances are the most you're ever going to get from us"), but at least it wasn't entirely responsible for her lack of social skills when she began school. |
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