|
|
Post by justhalf on Sept 25, 2020 7:08:08 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by arf on Sept 25, 2020 7:11:27 GMT
Those who voted "Coyote's role revealed" get a cookie. Don't take too many, though, because there's still time for Annie to exclaim "That's not what happened!" |
|
|
|
Post by migrantworker on Sept 25, 2020 7:12:51 GMT
Heh. Coyote messing with things is so much in character that it's not a surprise, even if nobody would have guessed it.
|
|
|
|
Post by madjack on Sept 25, 2020 7:20:24 GMT
Oh. He knew. Time shenanigans are nowhere near over.
Edit: Although I suppose he could have been watching just to see what shadow-enthralled Robot did?
But I don't believe it.
|
|
|
|
Post by jda on Sept 25, 2020 7:21:34 GMT
Those who voted "Coyote's role revealed" get a cookie. Don't take too many, though, because there's still time for Annie to exclaim "That's not what happened!" Coyote messing with could have had happened from a mind implant on Fannie's is classic Coyote. In fact consider this. Coyote has already on story broken the 4th wall. What if he beaks the 5th, surging thru TimePool(TM) and claiming control of it? Since Ether == power and Ether == what has been believed tru time, I feel Coyote could go then to before mankind and effectively put the stars on their place, etc |
|
|
|
Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 25, 2020 7:46:26 GMT
At least we can infer from the dialogue in ch. 14 that Coyote doesn't jump into a 'Toc and swim through time to greet the Norns, current Kat, and current Antimonies. He could do that, you know. |
|
|
|
Post by bicarbonat on Sept 25, 2020 8:15:39 GMT
If Coyote locks eyes with the "lens" as the Tic-Toc falls and/or says "Hello" to one of the girls, it's time (no pun intended) to pack your bags and move away.
|
|
|
|
Post by guntherkrieg on Sept 25, 2020 8:22:30 GMT
That last panel is one of the best Tom's come up with so far. Perfect composition, illusion of movement and colouring. Nothing wasted. A visual master at the top of his game.
|
|
|
|
Post by guntherkrieg on Sept 25, 2020 8:45:35 GMT
At least we can infer from the dialogue in ch. 14 that Coyote doesn't jump into a 'Toc and swim through time to greet the Norns, current Kat, and current Antimonies. He could do that, you know. Good thing Coyote never engages in deception! |
|
|
|
Post by blahzor on Sept 25, 2020 9:11:29 GMT
Called it!
|
|
|
|
Post by blahzor on Sept 25, 2020 9:14:34 GMT
Those who voted "Coyote's role revealed" get a cookie. Don't take too many, though, because there's still time for Annie to exclaim "That's not what happened!" Coyote messing with could have had happened from a mind implant on Fannie's is classic Coyote. In fact consider this. Coyote has already on story broken the 4th wall. What if he beaks the 5th, surging thru TimePool(TM) and claiming control of it? Since Ether == power and Ether == what has been believed tru time, I feel Coyote could go then to before mankind and effectively put the stars on their place, etc Coyote already had time manipulation from out pov The real question is does he finally see Kat through this use of the timepool to put or retrieve a/the tic toc and the Norns only are helping to stop Coyote's manipulations causing them issues |
|
|
|
Post by wies on Sept 25, 2020 9:16:01 GMT
So that is what broke the Tic Toc!
Huh, I realize now how I missed the trickster dog.
|
|
|
|
Post by blahzor on Sept 25, 2020 9:31:00 GMT
So Coyote seeing this event in full means
He sees this random fire elemental walking on the bridge and fall
See's birds appear out of nowhere in time to save said fire elemental
Uses this as a excuse to go to court for visit later via triggering Y's
Maybe look around to see if the Court is messing with time and he hates competition
|
|
|
|
Post by Eily on Sept 25, 2020 9:35:37 GMT
So that is what broke the Tic Toc! Huh, I realize now how I missed the trickster dog. My reaction was more along the lines of "Go away Coyote, I want Ysengrin back!". |
|
|
|
Post by wies on Sept 25, 2020 9:50:36 GMT
So that is what broke the Tic Toc! Huh, I realize now how I missed the trickster dog. My reaction was more along the lines of "Go away Coyote, I want Ysengrin back!". There is a chance you might get to see him when he will/has bury(ied) the Tic Toc. |
|
|
|
Post by Eily on Sept 25, 2020 9:57:15 GMT
My reaction was more along the lines of "Go away Coyote, I want Ysengrin back!". There is a chance you might get to see him when he will/has bury(ied) the Tic Toc. I wonder if the girls could still see through the broken Tic Toc. |
|
|
|
Post by Jelly Jellybean on Sept 25, 2020 11:27:39 GMT
So Coyote seeing this event in full means He sees this random fire elemental walking on the bridge and fall See's birds appear out of nowhere in time to save said fire elemental Uses this as a excuse to go to court for visit later via triggering Y's Maybe look around to see if the Court is messing with time and he hates competition Or Coyote loves watching the Court finally doing something interesting. He seems very happy in panel 3. |
|
|
|
Post by novia on Sept 25, 2020 12:27:58 GMT
Time flick???
|
|
|
|
Post by blahzor on Sept 25, 2020 12:30:35 GMT
i was off by 1 page in Wild Spec 2 pages from now it shows Coyote notice the bird time manipulation thing and plans |
|
|
|
Post by philman on Sept 25, 2020 13:23:45 GMT
So that is what broke the Tic Toc! Huh, I realize now how I missed the trickster dog. I know what you mean. I always disliked Coyote (In the way that we're supposed to, he was always a great character) and never trusted him, but seeing him again like this makes me realise how much his presence is missing. Seeing him here, it was obviously now Coyote who sent Ysengrin down to the water to investigate and bury the bird and instigated relations between the court and forest again. Does he realise what the birds are? Has Coyote ever seen Kat? Does he see here here and his search for her, thinking she is the Court's great weapon, the reason he instigated relations again? |
|
|
|
Post by wies on Sept 25, 2020 13:28:29 GMT
So that is what broke the Tic Toc! Huh, I realize now how I missed the trickster dog. I know what you mean. I always disliked Coyote (In the way that we're supposed to, he was always a great character) and never trusted him, but seeing him again like this makes me realise how much his presence is missing. Agreed on all counts! It was fascinating to realize how much I missed a character that manipulated so many characters (and especially Ysengrin). Guess that is the character's charisma, or just the love for a well-done antagonist. |
|
|
|
Post by ctso74 on Sept 25, 2020 13:32:58 GMT
So Coyote seeing this event in full means He sees this random fire elemental walking on the bridge and fall See's birds appear out of nowhere in time to save said fire elemental Uses this as a excuse to go to court for visit later via triggering Y's Maybe look around to see if the Court is messing with time and he hates competition Or Coyote put the "bad?" shadow in Robot, and told it to walk across the bridge, to start the whole chain. It'll be interesting to see what Kat's TimeApp sees next. There's Annie's Tic-Toc dissection and Red/Blue conversation. Or it could just skip to a communique with Coyote. The post-"Flick!" Tic-Toc growth doesn't seem like Coyote's work, but maybe he just used what he had, in order to send a message. |
|
|
|
Post by netherdan on Sept 25, 2020 13:55:16 GMT
Those who voted "Coyote's role revealed" get a cookie. Don't take too many, though, because there's still time for Annie to exclaim "That's not what happened!" She's too busy falling to notice a cartoonish dog way up the forest edge flicking a bird, but I guess you're referring to consequent events that might misalign with what she remembers PS: assuming there were no loopbacks and swaps since the original Tic-Toc stayed up there and was the one to get flicked, never getting a chance to dive, grab Annie, and then loopback/swap, it seems that Kat really time-shifted them birds (that is, she de-synchronized them and made them autonomous beings instead of part of a continuous progression of time loops) PPS: unless the original was one of the five who dived and the last one of said loops was the one who stayed up top to get flicked, it's not clear in that page's panel 5 if the one up there is the earliest or latest |
|
|
|
Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 25, 2020 17:06:52 GMT
This all happened back when Coyote was still interested in getting Renard back, probably. He may have flicked the 'Toc in an effort to frustrate the effort to save Antimony because he thought Antimony was Surma, thinking that if Surma was dead then Renard wouldn't have any reason to stay in the Court and then his adventure-tourism death plan could therefore proceed. Could also have been because it was too close to the Wood, I guess, or maybe both are true and the latter would make a convenient excuse for the former. I figure next page we'll see the 'Tocs disappear since one's busted but they've already broken Antimony's fall enough for her to survive. [edit]Should mention that Eggers actually yelled "Surma" back on page #119[/edit] |
|
|
|
Post by bedinsis on Sept 25, 2020 17:22:05 GMT
Please let it not turn out to be a case of Coyote having orchestrating every single thing behind the scenes. That would be disappointing.
Anyway: so Coyote was there when Annie fell. This was before ha had even been introduced in the comic and knew Annie. What could the motivation of his actions be?
I very much doubt that he just so happened to be by the river at this time, so I suspect his influence was either instrumental in getting the shadowman to possess Robot or that once Robot was heading across the bridge he made sure to stalk it out to see what would happen. Don't get why he would harm the Tic-toc.
|
|
|
|
Post by blahzor on Sept 25, 2020 17:47:01 GMT
I know what you mean. I always disliked Coyote (In the way that we're supposed to, he was always a great character) and never trusted him, but seeing him again like this makes me realise how much his presence is missing. Agreed on all counts! It was fascinating to realize how much I missed a character that manipulated so many characters (and especially Ysengrin). Guess that is the character's charisma, or just the love for a well-done antagonist. the closest Coyote's seen Kat is through Loup seeing the bright blinding light when looking at Rey next to Kat. as far shown in the comic on page |
|
|
|
Post by mturtle7 on Sept 25, 2020 20:16:50 GMT
Anyway: so Coyote was there when Annie fell. This was before ha had even been introduced in the comic and knew Annie. What could the motivation of his actions be? I very much doubt that he just so happened to be by the river at this time, so I suspect his influence was either instrumental in getting the shadowman to possess Robot or that once Robot was heading across the bridge he made sure to stalk it out to see what would happen. Don't get why he would harm the Tic-toc. I think it was made pretty clear a long time ago that Coyote was behind Robot's possession; as Renard pointed out, there's not really anyone else who would try to steal away Renard specifically. Sure he didn't do it himself, but both Ysengrim (who made the arm) and the Shadow Men (who he created) are pretty firmly under Coyote's thumb.
Here's my take on Coyote's perspective, in full: Oh hey, it's one of the Court's robots? Ugh, rude. They should know they're not supposed to send me their junk. I could just send it back...OR I could use it for a TRICK to get back my beloved Renardine! I mean, not ME, of course, because obviously I'm not allowed to interfere, hehehe. I'll just get stupid Ysengrin to plant some wood in it, and then one of my Glass-eyed Men can just walk it across the bridge, find Renard, and bring him back! Easy-peasy.
[Later] Ooh, how convenient! Renard's already there, so my little pet won't even have to bother infiltrating! He can just...nope, never mind, James is stopping it. Boooooring. Another rescue plan down the drain. Hey, a time-traveling robot bird! *Flick* Now I'm bored again. Maybe I should see what was up with that bird...eh, some other time.
|
|
|
|
Post by warrl on Sept 25, 2020 20:27:26 GMT
I'm gonna take a wild guess that Coyote gave that Tik Tok a flick through time, so it's why the robots think the birds predate the court.
|
|
|
|
Post by Gemminie on Sept 25, 2020 20:57:13 GMT
There is a chance you might get to see him when he will/has bury(ied) the Tic Toc. I wonder if the girls could still see through the broken Tic Toc. Considering that the reason they can see the Tic-Toc is because of the Norns' timestream pool, and Coyote hasn't done anything to that, I think they probably can continue to see events, even if the Tic-Toc has become uncontrollable/defunct. |
|
|
|
Post by Gemminie on Sept 25, 2020 21:06:52 GMT
So Coyote seeing this event in full means He sees this random fire elemental walking on the bridge and fall See's birds appear out of nowhere in time to save said fire elemental Uses this as a excuse to go to court for visit later via triggering Y's Maybe look around to see if the Court is messing with time and he hates competition Or Coyote put the "bad?" shadow in Robot, and told it to walk across the bridge, to start the whole chain. It'll be interesting to see what Kat's TimeApp sees next. There's Annie's Tic-Toc dissection and Red/Blue conversation. Or it could just skip to a communique with Coyote. The post-"Flick!" Tic-Toc growth doesn't seem like Coyote's work, but maybe he just used what he had, in order to send a message. Or machines planted in Forest soil just grow, because of the nature of the Forest itself. Have we seen any other Court technology planted in the Forest's soil? I don't think we have. |
|
