|
|
Post by Timberwere on Aug 17, 2020 7:02:11 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by arf on Aug 17, 2020 7:03:18 GMT
...perhaps.
|
|
|
|
Post by madjack on Aug 17, 2020 7:03:35 GMT
Paz forever unlucky.
|
|
|
|
Post by arf on Aug 17, 2020 7:07:29 GMT
Ooh! Move over Annies. Panel 2 suggests we might be getting multiple Kats shortly.
|
|
|
|
Post by wies on Aug 17, 2020 7:08:24 GMT
"For us, time is not important. Just the events."
This might be the sanity mantra of any reader who tries to unravel time travel stories.
I like the norns being so suprisingly human. I saw them mostly depicted cold and distant, so this is a nice change.
|
|
|
|
Post by bicarbonat on Aug 17, 2020 7:10:56 GMT
I can't help but feel that there's some cost or risky fine detail waiting around the corner from the Norn's help. Not that they're playing Coyote or anything - just that executing time travel is a tricky thing in and of itself.
Kat's careful, especially given what she knows is at risk - but there's always something, isn't there? I feel like she'll succeed in her objective, but there will be something either caused by or exacerbated by her temporal interpolation.
|
|
|
|
Post by philman on Aug 17, 2020 8:09:13 GMT
Hmm, that was a suitably vague answer. We all assume the norns mean Annie, but not necessarily.
|
|
|
|
Post by madjack on Aug 17, 2020 8:25:53 GMT
Hmm, that was a suitably vague answer. We all assume the norns mean Annie, but not necessarily. Kat certainly interpreted it to mean Annie, so that's probably what counts. |
|
|
|
Post by Eily on Aug 17, 2020 8:46:36 GMT
Ooh! Move over Annies. Panel 2 suggests we might be getting multiple Kats shortly. And they seem to be even better at color coding than the Annies. Katter Rangers. Hmm, that was a suitably vague answer. We all assume the norns mean Annie, but not necessarily. Skuld and Verðandi are looking at the Annies when Urðr mentions Kat's most dear. And Urðr clearly sees that Kat is interpreting the phrase to mean Annie, so unless she states otherwise, she's confirming Kat's interpretation. |
|
|
|
Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 17, 2020 8:51:29 GMT
So... The Norns experience meeting Kat at a multitude of points in time and are aware of (remember?) meeting her in what is to Kat the future but apparently the need to save Antimony is the linchpin here instead of the specific paradoxes. Kat meeting the Norns in the past suggests that she could have traveled in time (or at least monkeyed with time enough to create problems) when she was younger in a timeline where Antimony wasn't saved. At first blush that would appear to confirm the timeline-fragmentation model except that in this timeline Antimony still hasn't been saved. It would however make any alternate Kats that we might see as real as the Antimonies that are currently present.
|
|
jocobo
Junior Member
Posts: 78 
|
Post by jocobo on Aug 17, 2020 9:05:18 GMT
Hmm, that was a suitably vague answer. We all assume the norns mean Annie, but not necessarily. One of the Norns is also looking at Annie with that same look that Kat has, so it seems she does indeed mean Annie.
Honestly what I find ominous is that in Panel 4, Courtnie isn't present. "You need to rescue someone dear to you" and yet they only show Forest Annie in that panel. They are standing right next to each other but we don't even see her shoulder or anything. Like the panel was explicitly and purposefully only showing one Annie.
Then combined with the next panel, emphasizing "most" dear and showing both Court Annie and Forest Annie. But two people cannot both be the "most" dear.
To me at least it feels like the panel is implying very soon Kat will have to pick an Annie. Maybe she only gets to save them in one timeline or something. Or fixing whatever Loup did means (because we know Kat isn't going to let that go and having time travel means she can now actually do something about it) means only one Annie gets to stay.
Or maybe it's really early in the morning and I'm still a bit tipsy, and reading too much into a panel. Who knows. But it definitely gave me that "hairs on the back of the neck standing up" foreshadowing feeling.
|
|
|
|
Post by arf on Aug 17, 2020 9:29:55 GMT
Hmm, that was a suitably vague answer. We all assume the norns mean Annie, but not necessarily. Kat certainly interpreted it to mean Annie, so that's probably what counts. Paz has problems, but not of the sort that needs assistance by fate goddesses. ... although, if they can untangle the Annie thing, Kat will be less stressed, so that should help Paz. |
|
|
|
Post by Fishy on Aug 17, 2020 10:01:31 GMT
One day I may give up on this ship, but it will not be today.
I am worried though with how the Norns are talking. Seems more cryptic guidance, and less useful instructions. I could see Kat leaving with more determination but no more knowledge of what to do.
|
|
|
|
Post by rafk on Aug 17, 2020 10:53:34 GMT
Unless it turns out it IS Paz (or Alastair, it won't be Alastair but for comedy...) and this Kat is either an exception or has reached the right place for the wrong reason... However, Paz has never really struck me as Kat's long term great love, so even if there was someone other than Annie who ends up being dearer to Kat, I can't see it being Paz in truth. |
|
|
|
Post by Eily on Aug 17, 2020 11:11:57 GMT
Then combined with the next panel, emphasizing "most" dear and showing both Court Annie and Forest Annie. But two people cannot both be the "most" dear.
To me at least it feels like the panel is implying very soon Kat will have to pick an Annie. Maybe she only gets to save them in one timeline or something. Or fixing whatever Loup did means (because we know Kat isn't going to let that go and having time travel means she can now actually do something about it) means only one Annie gets to stay.
The Norns seem to be pretty benevolant and are smiling while Urðr is saying this. This doesn't feel like the attitude of someone who is giving hidden prophetic advice. I'm not sure the Norns would even do such things, giving cryptic information would be trying to influence the future, which doesn't seem like their role. Here they're just doing what must be done because it has been done already, they're not actually changing events, as far as I understand. |
|
|
|
Post by netherdan on Aug 17, 2020 12:10:42 GMT
Wait, so this means Kat will be physically IN the past? If in this visit Kat is "younger than usual" that means they must have deducted this is the first visit (also, Kat being clueless helped them a lot), but saying that there'll be visits in the past AND future means Kat will make the "time travel" bit but not exactly the "saving Annie" part for a few time hops.
Or maybe they're talking about Urd's past and Skuld's future (which is actually right now)? But then that doesn't explain the "younger than usual", there was multiple visits so there will be!
|
|
|
|
Post by blahzor on Aug 17, 2020 12:17:40 GMT
i'm starting to think this comic is about Annie and Kat
|
|
|
|
Post by philman on Aug 17, 2020 12:32:08 GMT
i'm starting to think this comic is about Annie and Kat Nuh Uh, we all know it's about girls getting their hair cut. Given future-Kat Norn's new style I'm looking forward to that action packed chapter already. |
|
|
|
Post by blahzor on Aug 17, 2020 12:43:03 GMT
i'm starting to think this comic is about Annie and Kat Nuh Uh, we all know it's about girls getting their hair cut. Given future-Kat Norn's new style I'm looking forward to that action packed chapter already. Gunnerkrigg is just Dutch for "The Adventures of Botbox" |
|
|
|
Post by blahzor on Aug 17, 2020 12:46:00 GMT
I can't help but feel that there's some cost or risky fine detail waiting around the corner from the Norn's help. Not that they're playing Coyote or anything - just that executing time travel is a tricky thing in and of itself. Kat's careful, especially given what she knows is at risk - but there's always something, isn't there? I feel like she'll succeed in her objective, but there will be something[/] either caused by or exacerbated by her temporal interpolation.probably Coyotes real plan. hot take is to put so much attention on Annie this entire time b/c of Kat and hijack one of Kat's visits to the Norns and he copies their powers like he did all the previous deities he visited. Being as powerful as he is he would probably notice the timelines but not know who's doing it at first. He's still never met Kat in this timeline. and Loup only saw blinding light ala Annie trying to look into the ether near Coyote before he taught her how |
|
|
|
Post by Gemminie on Aug 17, 2020 13:21:15 GMT
So ... now there's more evidence that the Norns' seeing Kat many times refers to seeing her at multiple points in one timeline, rather than in multiple timelines.
|
|
|
|
Post by Gemminie on Aug 17, 2020 13:26:26 GMT
Then combined with the next panel, emphasizing "most" dear and showing both Court Annie and Forest Annie. But two people cannot both be the "most" dear. Well, at the time the Tic-Toc(s) save(s) Annie, there's only one of her. |
|
|
|
Post by ctso74 on Aug 17, 2020 13:43:04 GMT
Mort, clearly. I can't help but feel that there's some cost or risky fine detail waiting around the corner from the Norn's help. Urd:"But before getting our help, you must kill this kitten." Kitten: "Meowww...." Kat: "What?!" Skuld: "With thith over-thithed dull mallet." Verdandi, cheerfully: "It's tradition. Well, it's that or you Blood Eagle the little thing. I'd go with the dull mallet, if I were you." |
|
|
|
Post by wies on Aug 17, 2020 14:12:27 GMT
So ... now there's more evidence that the Norns' seeing Kat many times refers to seeing her at multiple points in one timeline, rather than in multiple timelines. Why? I thought they were speaking of Kat's visits in multiple timelines too. I think they are aware of the time loops, being divine. |
|
|
|
Post by Eily on Aug 17, 2020 14:20:13 GMT
So ... now there's more evidence that the Norns' seeing Kat many times refers to seeing her at multiple points in one timeline, rather than in multiple timelines. I don't really see what makes you reach that conclusion. On the contrary, with the affirmation that this has already happened, I don't understand that the Norns are actually talking about several visits (with different reasons), but the same visit happening at various times in Kat's life. |
|
|
|
Post by Gemini Jim on Aug 17, 2020 16:51:06 GMT
I like the "Kat visits the Norns several times in one lifetime" theory, but then that's troublesome as well.
Because it means that Kat will NEED to visit the Norns several times. I get the feeling you don't just visit Norns for tea. (Although they might like that. And some scones.)
The Annie-Kat team might run into temporal paradoxes a bunch of times or break continuity a bunch of times or something along those lines. Which might mean summoning Brinnie several times. I don't know if you can summon the Norns without her help.
I can just imagine Brinnie saying "what have you girls done THIS TIME?" after three or four visits if that's the case.
|
|
|
|
Post by bedinsis on Aug 17, 2020 17:16:32 GMT
I imagine that in each subsequent visit Kat is going to explain her situation and get generalized advice of what to do in certain scenarios, advice that goes no matter when in the timeline she arrived. This because the Norns are sorta outside of time (hence why they was not surprised to see Kat since she will do it many times again, which already has happened from their point of view) and thus they'll be unable to keep track of what has transpired from Kat's point of view, therefore keeping their advice generalized.
|
|
|
|
Post by Gemminie on Aug 17, 2020 17:33:18 GMT
Why? I thought they were speaking of Kat's visits in multiple timelines too. I think they are aware of the time loops, being divine. I don't really see what makes you reach that conclusion. On the contrary, with the affirmation that this has already happened, I don't understand that the Norns are actually talking about several visits (with different reasons), but the same visit happening at various times in Kat's life. Well, I haven't really reached a conclusion; I just am not sure whether "... you've come to us many times" refers to multiple timelines, multiple times in one timeline, or some combination of those two basic ideas. Here they say "All the times you have come to us, in the past, the future, and right now, the present." This seems on one hand to be evidence for multiple visits in one timeline – talking about the past, present and future seems to suggest a single continuity. But what would "the past" mean here, considering that as far as we know, Kat hasn't met the Norns before in this timeline? Unless she will meet them again in her (personal) future while time-traveling into the (timeline's) past at some point. On the other hand, though, this could mean alternate-timeline versions of Kat whom they've already met with, and those whom they've yet to meet with. But they go right on to say, "For us, the time is not important." How could there be alternate versions of Kat whom they have not yet met, if time is all one to them? And yet, that "Younger than usual this time" seems to say that they're talking about alternate-timeline versions of Kat. So both points of view seem to be problematic. This makes me suspect that both happen – that Kat meets the Norns in multiple timelines, and that in some of those timelines she meets them more than once. Whether this is true I can't say. |
|
|
|
Post by wies on Aug 17, 2020 18:15:43 GMT
Yeah, it is not wholly clear yet what they mean with Kat's visits.
|
|
|
|
Post by mturtle7 on Aug 17, 2020 22:45:32 GMT
Ahahaha...that last panel put me in the uncomfortable position of squeeing from joy and wincing in pain at the same time, because while Kat and Annie's friendship might be the cutest damn thing ever, there's also this unpleasant reminder that it really is more precious to Kat than her relationship with Paz...which might not be such an issue, if poor Paz wasn't so clearly unhappy about that.
And I'm not just talking about that now-infamous confrontation scene, either! The more I think about it, the more I can see the roots of this problem stretching really far back. Long before the whole business with Loup & Annie's timelines getting split, Paz was trying to get Kat to stop worrying about Annie so much and give her some space instead, which, sure, seemed like a positive thing at the time, but knowing what we know now (about both Paz and Kat) it has some rather unpleasant subtext. Heck, the very first time she asked Kat out, Paz mentioned how she only really understood her feelings for Kat when she noticed herself feeling really jealous of Annie. You might think that that jealousy went away when she got herself to understand that Kat & Annie were just friends, but...maybe it didn't. Something to think about, anyway.
|
|
