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Post by pyradonis on May 27, 2020 15:38:16 GMT
Hm. Did anyone guess that all Tic-tocs were just one? I think not... So Kat's discovery is that she made the Tic-tocs of the past? But since she had never seen one, she must have found a way to browse through timelines and seen Annie's original fate. Did she already send this one to the past? (I understand it as no, not yet.) My guess is that the "original" Annie fell from the bridge and died. Since chapter 8 Annie we know is actually Annie from the alternate timeline. More like, we have been following the alternate timeline since chapter 8. Interestingly, Tom changed that line in the print edition. Instead, Kat says "They were right! They said you'd be okay!" As I recall, he said that the change was made because he realized that if Annie had died, her contract of ownership over Renard would have ended, and Anja would have been able to sense that, as he had established in Chapter 7. So Anja would have known that Annie was still alive. That makes it even stranger no one went to look for Annie, if they knew she wasn't dead. The more I think about it, the more I become convinced that Anja and Donald know more than they let on. For example like suggested here. So does this have implications for Jones as well? Or because she isn't a robot she probably won't be involved in Kat's time travel shenanigans? I do not think it will have any more implications than for any other mythical being not directly connected to this particular storyline. Or she probably already did it and has to bear the guilt of seeing Annie die 5 times before she got to loop the bird enough times to get the necessary lift to save her (she needed 6 birds). Actually, only two birds are carrying Annie. Also, it would not really make sense if Kat, who can transfer matter and mass-produce human-sized bodies, were not able to construct one single robot able to held an eleven-year-old girl aloft, or would need to loop it in time because she could not build more than one. What I could imagine would be the time travel using up so much energy that Kat could only send one single robot back, which then has to replicate itself in the past. No, like Annie herself concluded, Muut's (a North American psychopomp) business must have been retrieving the glass-eyed man's (a being created by the North American god, Coyote) soul. If Annie died without passing on her fire, a British or fire-related psychopomp would come for her. |
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Post by netherdan on May 27, 2020 16:11:20 GMT
Also, it would not really make sense if Kat, who can transfer matter and mass-produce human-sized bodies bodies, were not able to construct one single robot able to held an eleven-year-old girl aloft, or would need to loop it in time because she could not build more than one. What I could imagine would be the time travel using up so much energy that Kat could only send one single robot back, which then has to replicate itself in the past. With that little wingspan they would have to be flapping like a hummingbird in order to produce that much lift. Not saying that's impossible but then why did it need 6 if only 2 could do the job just fine? I'm fairly certain the last one served to cushion a critical body part and it resulted in its destruction, while the others in the last panel might have been still racing to aid those who had already grabbed her arms. Looking at that scene again made me interpret it differently though, there might have been only 5 birds: 4 for the limbs and 1 to cushion her head when they hit the ground and the leftmost one's head in the last panel could be the 5th one from Annie's point of view, right before she head-smashed it! Edit: I know their wingspan are fairly big but not enough for her size and they arguably didn't need to be enough to lift her, just delay the fall. But then again, why were the other birds needed and why do they look like they're chasing to catch up with Annie? |
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Post by wies on May 27, 2020 16:34:29 GMT
Just another thought I had: this gives a new meaning to all those people thinking of the recently deceased Surma when they see Annie.
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Post by AluK on May 27, 2020 17:16:11 GMT
Damn, to think we've been speculating this very thing, that Kat had created the Tic Tocs and sent them back in time (or retroactively caused them to exist) eight years ago... nuts.
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Post by Gemini Jim on May 27, 2020 17:18:53 GMT
Well, giant cookies to the people who foresaw this.
I'm still a bit confused about some stuff.
"I've never seen one," she says.... presumably except for when she must have built the cursed thing, and sent it back in time - multiple times possibly, so the same one can keep reappearing multiple times. But that's a minor quibble. If the birds can reproduce themselves, that's OK too.
So when did she realize or discover what these birds were? Or when did she realize that she saved Annie at the cliff? Or that she has to have been the one to build it? How did she figure it out?
It must have been fairly recently, after "neither one of you should be here."
So the actual time-travel thing might still be something she knows she is going to have to do, but hasn't actually done yet.
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Post by saardvark on May 27, 2020 17:27:17 GMT
Kat's been pushing through the pain, Peloton style, and one day that's going to push her straight through to robot godhood. From not being able to do enough to
being able to do damn near anything she chooses
... Now, every story is not a trope, but usually apotheosis is a crucible or at the very least a trade that starts with someone not being enough. Apotheosis thoroughly activated. Also, if an illustration could cough loudly, this one would be positively pertussal. with Kat welding the glowing hammer of Seed Bismuth like Thor.... |
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Post by Per on May 27, 2020 17:39:59 GMT
I count 6 of them in the panel 6 cutback. Given she specifically said 'they are all this same robot' would that mean there are at least 5 alternate timelines open? Or just one looping back on itself. Bird A calls the alarm and B-F appear. When Annie is safe, A-E go back in time to become B-F, and F dies. Apparently they blink out somewhere in between the ticking and a tocking as they drop her in the river. |
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Post by saardvark on May 27, 2020 17:40:28 GMT
Also, it would not really make sense if Kat, who can transfer matter and mass-produce human-sized bodies bodies, were not able to construct one single robot able to held an eleven-year-old girl aloft, or would need to loop it in time because she could not build more than one. What I could imagine would be the time travel using up so much energy that Kat could only send one single robot back, which then has to replicate itself in the past. With that little wingspan they would have to be flapping like a hummingbird in order to produce that much lift. Not saying that's impossible but then why did it need 6 if only 2 could do the job just fine? I'm fairly certain the last one served to cushion a critical body part and it resulted in its destruction, while the others in the last panel might have been still racing to aid those who had already grabbed her arms. Looking at that scene again made me interpret it differently though, there might have been only 5 birds: 4 for the limbs and 1 to cushion her head when they hit the ground and the leftmost one's head in the last panel could be the 5th one from Annie's point of view, right before she head-smashed it! except that Annie lands in the water - - no need for a head cushion on ground impact. This leaves unresolved why/how a Tic-Toc was damaged though... |
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Post by mu695 on May 27, 2020 18:43:19 GMT
Is it just me or did Annie's "When did you see one?" line come out of nowhere? It's as if she remembers that, like 4 years ago, Kat said that she's never seen one.
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Post by netherdan on May 27, 2020 18:57:51 GMT
except that Annie lands in the water - - no need for a head cushion on ground impact. This leaves unresolved why/how a Tic-Toc was damaged though... Verbal note to do a mini archive binge before thinking up convoluted explanations for events I don't fully recall PS: I think it would be polite for us to refer to it simply as Tic-Toc now that we know that it's not "a Tic-Toc" but " the Tic-Toc" PPS: Did the robots knew it was unique? We don't normally refer to our known species as if it was their own name. Most humans don't call their dogs "Dog" and their cats "Cat"! |
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Post by Star Kindler on May 27, 2020 19:04:17 GMT
Okay, my theory so far on time travel shenanigans:
As others have theorized above, I also think the Tic-tocs are self-replicating. The way the Tic-toc eats into the cliff face after Ys buries it seems to indicate this is not an absurd proposition. But I don't think we have been following an alternate timeline. We know that neither Annie belongs in this timeline. That is because when Kat created the alternate timeline where Annie survives, she somehow pulled the Annie out of that timeline and deposited her into hers. In the alternate timeline, Annie just poofs after getting pushed off the bridge. In our original timeline, Annie does indeed die when falling off the bridge (explaining Muut's nearby business) but her alternate arrives and survives.
I'm thinking saving Annie from her fall wasn't her original intention. She probably programmed the Tic-toc with original instructions something along the lines of "Go back to where the timeline originally splits and observe and send back info to me" and then, to her surprise and horror, it doesn't go back to Loup in the forest, but Annie falling from the bridge. So she does something and the rest is history. And now she is eaten up with guilt, because she knows how she felt when she thought Annie was dead, and she created a timeline where that feeling was permanent for another Kat.
Although, if the Tic-toc is not self-replicating, and we take the nickname that Gamma reveals "The Thousand Eyes" to be taken seriously, that's... that's a lot of timelines. But if that was true, you'd think Temporal Affairs would've gotten involved at that point? Unless most of the timelines collapse back together because they are so similar and they don't care about one or two extra?
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Post by AluK on May 27, 2020 19:17:28 GMT
Maybe the issue with the Tic Tocs as Thousand Eyes is one of recursion: if Zimmy looking into their future sends her into the past, then into that past's future, into that past's future past, etc. Their temporal existence is basically a closed loop, two mirrors facing each other.
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Post by saardvark on May 27, 2020 19:23:57 GMT
Maybe the issue with the Tic Tocs as Thousand Eyes is one of recursion: if Zimmy looking into their future sends her into the past, then into that past's future, into that past's future past, etc. Their temporal existence is basically a closed loop, two mirrors facing each other. the image of how Zimms views the Tic-Tocs definitely hints at recursion! www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=194 |
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Post by netherdan on May 27, 2020 19:26:13 GMT
Okay, my theory so far on time travel shenanigans: As others have theorized above, I also think the Tic-tocs are self-replicating. The way the Tic-toc eats into the cliff face after Ys buries it seems to indicate this is not an absurd proposition. But I don't think we have been following an alternate timeline. We know that neither Annie belongs in this timeline. That is because when Kat created the alternate timeline where Annie survives, she somehow pulled the Annie out of that timeline and deposited her into hers. In the alternate timeline, Annie just poofs after getting pushed off the bridge. In our original timeline, Annie does indeed die when falling off the bridge (explaining Muut's nearby business) but her alternate arrives and survives. I'm thinking saving Annie from her fall wasn't her original intention. She probably programmed the Tic-toc with original instructions something along the lines of "Go back to where the timeline originally splits and observe and send back info to me" and then, to her surprise and horror, it doesn't go back to Loup in the forest, but Annie falling from the bridge. So she does something and the rest is history. And now she is eaten up with guilt, because she knows how she felt when she thought Annie was dead, and she created a timeline where that feeling was permanent for another Kat. Although, if the Tic-toc is not self-replicating, and we take the nickname that Gamma reveals "The Thousand Eyes" to be taken seriously, that's... that's a lot of timelines. But if that was true, you'd think Temporal Affairs would've gotten involved at that point? Unless most of the timelines collapse back together because they are so similar and they don't care about one or two extra? It was already explained that Muut isn't Annie's psychopomp. If they were self-replicating and only traveled back in time once (when Kat sent it) then she must have sent it to the very foundation of the Court, since they're around for that long, but also we would likely be spotting it a lot more since there should be hundreds of them (Gamma called them the Thousand Eyes for a reason). My running theory is that they were not sent back in time through a time machine, they ARE the time machine. And so they would be replicating not by mechanical or biological means but by creating stable time loops (the ones that doesn't branch into different timelines). That would explain why that one (the only one) being destroyed would result in the diminishing of its appearance until it halted completely. Saving Annie is the last mission of the Tic-Toc, but first Kat will use it to eavesdrop a frigging LOT of the Court's history, follow Zimmy around for some reason, look for the seed bismuth, and only then will she save Annie. The moment she turn it on and send it back she will likely get a visit from Temporal Affairs, and she will likely convince them that everything already happened in this current timeline so if they don't let her do whatever she wants this prohibition will create YET ANOTHER timeline for them to deal with! The bird probably has a trans-temporal computer in it with logs about everything it did/will do and that's why Kat isn't even a bit surprised that she is the creator of the Tic-Toc this whole time. One last bit of thought for this theory: the way it grows into the cliff side probably implies that either the bird also IS the Seed Bismuth, that it emerged from said seed (its egg), or that Kat also created the seed and sent it to create the Court and if that's true this whole comic is a Bootstrap Paradox |
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Post by puntino on May 27, 2020 19:31:41 GMT
Quick addition to the discussion: As we only see things in very long frames, it could be entirely possible that 5, 6 "birds" were grappling her around while attempting to slow her fall. As I see it, it sorta happened in this fashion (time travelling shenanigans is very confusing!): - Bird A sees Annie falling and thinks "I was born for this moment"; - Bird A grabs Annie and notices it won't be able to slow her enough; - Birb A keeps grabbing her until it tires out, at this point there are other birds helping it; And then we go a little back in time: - Bird A goes back in time and becomes Bird B, which aids itself into lifting her; - It still notices it won't be able to keep slowing her fall even with help, so it lets go of her and further jumps back in time; - This keeps happening until there are 5-6 versions of the same bird attempting to slow her fall by grabbing her, two or more at a time; - They begin disappearing back in time as she approaches the ground; - The original bird, now version F and exhausted from so much lifting and blinking, passes out and crashes to the floor, while Annie reaches the river. This is how I picture it happening. Edit: Quick mention that, while the bird is powered by batteries, it should still be composed of the pseudo-flesh thing Kat was working on the very beginning of this arc of hers (reminder that it was a wing prototype she was growing). So it could be either that the batteries finally ran out or that the musculature of the bird failed after so much struggle. Also, feel free to point out inconsistencies in all this imagery of mine. Discussing time stuff if fun!  |
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Post by saardvark on May 27, 2020 19:35:53 GMT
except that Annie lands in the water - - no need for a head cushion on ground impact. This leaves unresolved why/how a Tic-Toc was damaged though... Verbal note to do a mini archive binge before thinking up convoluted explanations for events I don't fully recall PS: I think it would be polite for us to refer to it simply as Tic-Toc now that we know that it's not "a Tic-Toc" but " the Tic-Toc" PPS: Did the robots knew it was unique? We don't normally refer to our known species as if it was their own name. Most humans don't call their dogs "Dog" and their cats "Cat"! Its horrible complicated though... the Tic-Toc from one timeline was smashed by the Annan, but the others continue...* You might be right about the robots.. they describe Tic_Toc in the singular case: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=646"It is *the* Tic-toc, a mythical ornithonic, said to be older than the Court itself. *It* was created...." *EDIT: That is - How do you refer to them in the singular when they. have different fates? |
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Post by 0th on May 27, 2020 22:01:39 GMT
I don't know if this theory has been proposed already, but here's my guess: there's actually two sorts of time travel going on here.
First, Kat sends the bird back several years to save Annie. She can only do this once, for some reason or another, possibly related to Temporal Affairs. (It has to be a limited-use thing, or she'd solve every problem before it occurs, eliminating all dramatic tension.) She likely also has very poor control over when exactly it "lands" in the past, since it seems to have first appeared long before it was needed.
Second, the Tic-Toc itself also has its own, more limited form of time travel. It can make short hops into the past to overlap its own timeline, allowing it to cooperate with itself to achieve goals. This can only be done over a very short period of time, say a few minutes to an hour or so, but it can do it as often as it wants.
Both forms of time travel are one-way: it can only travel to the future the long way. This explains why it was hanging around watching stuff for so long, and why it immediately stopped showing up after it got smashed.
As an aside, I'd like to highlight the Tic-Toc's dedication to saving Annie. Not only did it wait for who-knows-how-long, it also saw its own death happen in the process of rescuing her, and kept looping anyway to save her. I know it's probably not sentient, but I still feel the poor bird deserves some praise.
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Post by ellies on May 27, 2020 22:09:06 GMT
I'm thinking saving Annie from her fall wasn't her original intention. She probably programmed the Tic-toc with original instructions something along the lines of "Go back to where the timeline originally splits and observe and send back info to me" and then, to her surprise and horror, it doesn't go back to Loup in the forest, but Annie falling from the bridge. So she does something and the rest is history. And now she is eaten up with guilt, because she knows how she felt when she thought Annie was dead, and she created a timeline where that feeling was permanent for another Kat. Although, if the Tic-toc is not self-replicating, and we take the nickname that Gamma reveals "The Thousand Eyes" to be taken seriously, that's... that's a lot of timelines. But if that was true, you'd think Temporal Affairs would've gotten involved at that point? Unless most of the timelines collapse back together because they are so similar and they don't care about one or two extra? I think the idea that she wasn't trying to save Annie from the fall is quite plausible. It's quite possible that Kat made a Tic-toc intending to study time travel, rather than accomplish anything specific. But when she realizes that the first split was from the fall, the pieces start falling into place. Kat sends them to the beginning of the Court because she realizes she has to, because she already did. It reminds me of the Time-turner in HP. I personally am leaning towards the tic-tocs being copies that grow exponentially with each new timeline that's created. So say there's a bunch of timelines with Annies who live and die, all due to the number of Tic-tocs, and they all sort of exist at once in separate timelines. There would most likely be an Annie that died in the fall who is from the very first timeline. So there's Dead Annie, Annie Prime (the one we've been following), and a number of other Annies from all the tic-toc timelines.
Annie goes into the forest, and in order to send one Annie back and keep the other, Loup causes these pre-existing timelines to converge so there's multiple Annies in one timeline. Forest Annie is AP, and Court Annie is created by collapsing all the timelines into one. So Loup doesn't create timelines, he destroys them. This would explain why Tony is fine with FA but not CA, because CA is an amalgamation of all the other timelines. There's really so many possibilities with time travel, timelines, and paradoxes. I'm excited to see where Tom goes with this. Even if everything I said turns out to be wrong, maybe I'm right in another timeline ',:^y
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Post by bicarbonat on May 27, 2020 23:01:27 GMT
Just another thought I had: this gives a new meaning to all those people thinking of the recently deceased Surma when they see Annie. Our good dude full-on screaming the wrong name, as one in the throes of a traumatic episode, certainly gives credence to that thought. |
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Post by DonDueed on May 27, 2020 23:02:40 GMT
I don't know if this theory has been proposed already, but here's my guess: there's actually two sorts of time travel going on here. First, Kat sends the bird back several years to save Annie. She can only do this once, for some reason or another, possibly related to Temporal Affairs. (It has to be a limited-use thing, or she'd solve every problem before it occurs, eliminating all dramatic tension.) She likely also has very poor control over when exactly it "lands" in the past, since it seems to have first appeared long before it was needed. Second, the Tic-Toc itself also has its own, more limited form of time travel. It can make short hops into the past to overlap its own timeline, allowing it to cooperate with itself to achieve goals. This can only be done over a very short period of time, say a few minutes to an hour or so, but it can do it as often as it wants. Both forms of time travel are one-way: it can only travel to the future the long way. This explains why it was hanging around watching stuff for so long, and why it immediately stopped showing up after it got smashed. As an aside, I'd like to highlight the Tic-Toc's dedication to saving Annie. Not only did it wait for who-knows-how-long, it also saw its own death happen in the process of rescuing her, and kept looping anyway to save her. I know it's probably not sentient, but I still feel the poor bird deserves some praise. Welcome to the forum, 0th!
You may have something here. It would explain why the Tic-Tocs disappear after just one is destroyed. Otherwise they would all have to survive until "now" so that Annie could send them back to the critical moment (assuming she only now figured out how to warp timelines).
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Post by AluK on May 27, 2020 23:28:45 GMT
Just realized Tom pretty much spelled it all out way back then:  Kat dab smack in the middle of the frame. Right there, under our noses. Well played, Tom, you magnificent bastard you. |
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Post by pyradonis on May 28, 2020 0:05:17 GMT
except that Annie lands in the water - - no need for a head cushion on ground impact. This leaves unresolved why/how a Tic-Toc was damaged though... Verbal note to do a mini archive binge before thinking up convoluted explanations for events I don't fully recall PS: I think it would be polite for us to refer to it simply as Tic-Toc now that we know that it's not "a Tic-Toc" but " the Tic-Toc" PPS: Did the robots knew it was unique? We don't normally refer to our known species as if it was their own name. Most humans don't call their dogs "Dog" and their cats "Cat"! Furthermore, not only do the robots call it "the Tic-toc", Gamma also says "That bird is the Thousand Eyes." Not these birds, only that bird. As for the question why six birds were coming to Annie's rescue, but only two carried her, I am going simply with redundancy now. Claiming their wings are too small does not count, by the way. You also can't build an antigravity unit out of coat hangers, yet Kat did anyway. |
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Post by dotdotdot on May 28, 2020 1:20:28 GMT
*Frantically scrambles to see if Eisner nominations are still open*
Though it really shouldn't have taken this page to put it over the top, LAUGHING ON LINE.
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Post by warrl on May 28, 2020 1:31:30 GMT
No, like Annie herself concluded, Muut's (a North American psychopomp) business must have been retrieving the glass-eyed man's (a being created by the North American god, Coyote) soul. If Annie died without passing on her fire, a British or fire-related psychopomp would come for her. But Muut claimed that when Surma died, there was nothing left for the psychopomps to escort. And yet Annie escorted something, so Muut was wrong. Would the psychopomps think the was anything left when Annie died? (Cannot dismiss the possibility that Muut was lying about why none of them came for Surma.) |
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Post by bicarbonat on May 28, 2020 2:05:47 GMT
Just realized Tom pretty much spelled it all out way back then: Kat dab smack in the middle of the frame. Right there, under our noses. Well played, Tom, you magnificent bastard you. I like how the door in the background almost, almost looks like Kat's symbol - and she seems to take the place of that visual figure in the next frame, as the discussion of the god happens.  |
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Post by neonmoon on May 28, 2020 2:48:05 GMT
except that Annie lands in the water - - no need for a head cushion on ground impact. This leaves unresolved why/how a Tic-Toc was damaged though... Verbal note to do a mini archive binge before thinking up convoluted explanations for events I don't fully recall PS: I think it would be polite for us to refer to it simply as Tic-Toc now that we know that it's not "a Tic-Toc" but " the Tic-Toc" PPS: Did the robots knew it was unique? We don't normally refer to our known species as if it was their own name. Most humans don't call their dogs "Dog" and their cats "Cat"! This page where it's established as "the Tic-Toc" is the prelude to Kat seeing the log of Diego's deathbead "She died and I did nothing", this was so well done it's going to read like a novel written as a continuous work to people who consume it all at once instead of serially over the span of 15+ years, I'm in awe |
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Post by netherdan on May 28, 2020 2:52:23 GMT
Its horrible complicated though... the Tic-Toc from one timeline was smashed by the Annan, but the others continue... I'm counting on the possibility of multiple kinds of time travel. The one Loup creates branches off another timeline and a secondary godly power allows for a timeline "shifting" of an Annie. But the one from the Tic-Toc creates a stable, self-correcting, time loop in which everything that the traveler do has already happened (akin to Harry Potter's Time Turner) so the one Tic-Toc that dies is the only existing one and every appearance of it "after" the events in the ravine is merely in the past from the perspective of the bird shaped time machine (Never Run Outta Birds™). This should also "kind of" explain the reason for it to stop showing up in the recent past. Apparently spying on the Court's founders, younger parents' and teachers' shenanigans, copying Diego's originals and messing with Zimmy is way more interesting than re-watching the events you might have already experienced first hand. At least for Kat, I mean! And if there were multiple birds in the same timeline you should expect someone to have seen them recently (which might have happened off page and we're not aware of, actually). PS: It's also possible that Kat has the option to completely destabilize the time loop by destroying one of its instances prior to Annie's fall, or even the first one she has in her desk at the moment. Then she creates a paradox, possibly causing Temporal Affairs to show up or even branch the timelines again! But that's probably too risky as it could either actually branch or erase the current Annies from existence and rewrite the whole comic's history (buying Tom a whole other decade to finish it), unless Kat had already done her sciencing and is 100% sure of the outcome! This page where it's established as "the Tic-Toc" is the prelude to Kat seeing the log of Diego's deathbead "She died and I did nothing", this was so well done it's going to read like a novel written as a continuous work to people who consume it all at once instead of serially over the span of 15+ years, I'm in awe As someone else already fan-quoted: "You died, Annie. And I did something!" As for the question why six birds were coming to Annie's rescue, but only two carried her, I am going simply with redundancy now. Redundancy is unnecessary when you witness the outcome. Either it would notice it was enough in the 2nd loop and stop there (in case of a stable time loop with a single timeline in which the traveler witness his future self's actions) or it would fail 5 times and be lucky enough to have it work on the 6th despite it's resulting destruction which would deny more tries (and in this case, each time it travels would branch to a slightly different timeline). It all depends on how it works. There's also the possibility of it actually not being THE time machine, but just a self replicating robo-bird sent back by the actual time machine, but I'll politely shut up anyone who tries to convince me of that. Claiming their wings are too small does not count, by the way. You also can't build an antigravity unit out of coat hangers, yet Kat did anyway. Granted. For all we know the bird could be a combo of time machine, anti gravity device and self growing apartment building |
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Post by Tacdud2 on May 28, 2020 4:04:47 GMT
huh. I guess seeing that the tictoc grew into some machines might have also been a hint. Damn what a time to come back to this.
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Post by wies on May 28, 2020 5:07:48 GMT
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Post by wombat on May 28, 2020 5:09:54 GMT
I love this. I have nothing new or insightful to add; I just love this. It's such an exciting and rewarding development, and it makes me more excited for future comics than I have been in a while.
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My guess is that the "original" Annie fell from the bridge and died. Since chapter 8 Annie we know is actually Annie from the alternate timeline.
So does this have implications for Jones as well? Or because she isn't a robot she probably won't be involved in Kat's time travel shenanigans?I do not think it will have any more implications than for any other mythical being not directly connected to this particular storyline.
Or she probably already did it and has to bear the guilt of seeing Annie die 5 times before she got to loop the bird enough times to get the necessary lift to save her (she needed 6 birds).Actually, only two birds are carrying Annie.
