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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 17, 2018 6:57:27 GMT
Welcome to the forum! Creepiness aside, I am sure this is all Coyote's plan. Remember that other chapter where he fooled even himself that he was a dead goose? Who's to say that he didn't fool Y into thinking he died? Plus the stuff he gave to Parley and Andrew beforehand. I bet if you mix them up Coyote'll be restored. I agree that all of this is Coyote's plan though I'm not sure he's got a particular endgame in mind. I suspect he's been winding Ysengrin up all this time with the intent to let him loose (with Coyote's power) as soon as there was a strong factor that would place Ys in a quandary about what he always intended to do... and ruin his complete enjoyment of it if he went through with it anyway. He probably has three or four goals, though. He is including himself in the ongoing stories therefore perpetuating his own existence, he's going to leave a memorable impression of how powerful he is (even when dead and not wielding his own power) which in the Gunnerverse may actually increase his power, he's going to outsmart everyone while pretending to be silly, and he's going to entertain himself while doing so, which isn't an easy task for an immortal. Dying isn't a big deal to Coyote; I think he's okay with dying in the process of setting up a really good joke. I also think he'd eventually be back even if they never do anything with the lake water and Tooth... but if they bring him back on purpose he'd be back faster. And since he got killed Coyote is arguably the biggest victim here so far. |
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Post by rinabean on Jul 17, 2018 11:48:47 GMT
(Maybe "my love" is just one of those things with no lewd connotations in the Englands.) It's context sensitive. If someone you're acquainted with calls you 'lovely', it's generally intended as an endearment, like calling you their buddy, or pal. (There's a brit expat shoemaker in my town that LOVES doing this) If it's someone that's called you beautiful and happens to be a kinda creepy old wolf with a compromised degree of self-control/sanity, then I would probably be a lot more suspicious. There's nothing weird about him calling her beautiful there. He's talking about her power as a magical creature. Remember how shattered he was when she cut the fire away? Ysengrin's relationship with Annie has always been father/daughter. It's Coyote that's been inappropriate with her, not him. And it's Coyote that's behind all this, and who has already deliberately used Ysengrin to try to hurt both Annie and the wider court. (Also I don't think my love/lovely/my lovely/my lover are even acquaintance specific to the people who use them as generic terms of endearment. "My duck" is most common round my way and I don't have to know someone to call them that. But I don't think we've seen either Ysengrin or Coyote alone refer to anyone as "my love" before, so who knows?) |
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Post by blazingstar on Jul 17, 2018 13:28:46 GMT
(Maybe "my love" is just one of those things with no lewd connotations in the Englands.) In certain parts of England, "my love" is a fairly common casual greeting. For that matter it isn't even the first time Annie has been addressed as my love. I'm pretty sure there was no lewdness intended or perceived in that instance. All true, but the reason it's creeping me out is because neither Coyote or Ysengrin have used it before, and neither Coyote nor Ysengrin are BRITISH. Edit: on second thought, Ysengrin may be native to the British Isles, as he's from the same fables as Reynard. But still. |
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Post by ST13R on Jul 17, 2018 14:51:52 GMT
Edit: on second thought, Ysengrin may be native to the British Isles, as he's from the same fables as Reynard. But still. If I recall correctly, Tom once said Ysengrin and Reynard were from France, though you're correct that their fables are known in the UK as well (just as in the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany).
This page shows they tagged along to the court.
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Post by sleepcircle on Jul 17, 2018 14:56:21 GMT
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Post by Eversist on Jul 17, 2018 16:47:17 GMT
We're all just really talking in circles until tomorrow's update.  I think we've been given reason it could go either way, but I hope for (and am leaning towards) the jovial interpretation.  |
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Post by netherdan on Jul 17, 2018 18:20:07 GMT
Welcome to the forum! Creepiness aside, I am sure this is all Coyote's plan. Remember that other chapter where he fooled even himself that he was a dead goose? Who's to say that he didn't fool Y into thinking he died? Plus the stuff he gave to Parley and Andrew beforehand. I bet if you mix them up Coyote'll be restored. I agree that all of this is Coyote's plan though I'm not sure he's got a particular endgame in mind. I suspect he's been winding Ysengrin up all this time with the intent to let him loose (with Coyote's power) as soon as there was a strong factor that would place Ys in a quandary about what he always intended to do... and ruin his complete enjoyment of it if he went through with it anyway. He probably has three or four goals, though. He is including himself in the ongoing stories therefore perpetuating his own existence, he's going to leave a memorable impression of how powerful he is (even when dead and not wielding his own power) which in the Gunnerverse may actually increase his power, he's going to outsmart everyone while pretending to be silly, and he's going to entertain himself while doing so, which isn't an easy task for an immortal. Dying isn't a big deal to Coyote; I think he's okay with dying in the process of setting up a really good joke. I also think he'd eventually be back even if they never do anything with the lake water and Tooth... but if they bring him back on purpose he'd be back faster. And since he got killed Coyote is arguably the biggest victim here so far. This could go really wrong if someone makes it public knowledge that Coyote is dead and Coywolf kills a lot of people after that. He might not be able to "be back" on his own. Maybe that's why he set up fallback plans for him to return (soul toten, bones, blood and keenness) Maybe he didn't plan for the soul totens but the rest were deliberately placed by himself and he made specific effort to hide from Ysengrin the fact that he gave away his Keenness (the giggling blade), maybe that's the one thing that can counter his Strength (remember the sharper the cutting tool the less strength is needed to cut and the keenest of all blades can cut anything regardless of the employed strength) PS: There's a Coyote and an Ysengrin soul toten. There's a possibility of both getting human bodies. Where are the fanarts? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 18:40:30 GMT
If anyone cares, I'm taking this apostrophe (divine beings usually talk to us, right, this comic is just a thrice-a-week side job) to mean that Don Ysote has indeed snapped and is exhibiting the primary symptom of insanity: ambiguous self-irony.
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Post by jda on Jul 17, 2018 19:10:29 GMT
Some one said that a legend says that Coyote could be restored only by brother Fox, soooo...
My bet is Coyotes plan is to let them no.other choice but freeing Renard to Restore Coyote and Stop Bad Ys.
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Post by todd on Jul 17, 2018 23:47:37 GMT
a) The forest feels so... dead. I hope the inhabitants are just hiding, and not "reengineered", or something. Maybe they fled to the other side of the Annan Waters to escape the mad canid; that would tie in with the reports of forest-folk in the Court. |
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Post by aline on Jul 18, 2018 7:26:21 GMT
By The Way: Reality is subjective in the Gunnerverse but even In Real Life some people's reality is more subjective than others. For example... Ever been the last person to know you were dating someone? Spent some time hanging out with them, maybe had some good conversations and some fun platonic times, then they get the wrong idea and start telling people that the two of you are a couple?  What?! No. I'm sorry, what? Either that person has some mental health issues, making them unable to work out the conventions of a romantic relationship, or even delusional Or that person was so sheltered that they have absolutely no concept of how romantic relationships work Or they are being manipulative on purpose Anyway this is completely bonkers, and I have a hard time believing it happens often. Even twelve years old wait at least after a kiss before they brag to their friends. |
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Post by speedwell on Jul 18, 2018 8:39:07 GMT
By The Way: Reality is subjective in the Gunnerverse but even In Real Life some people's reality is more subjective than others. For example... Ever been the last person to know you were dating someone? Spent some time hanging out with them, maybe had some good conversations and some fun platonic times, then they get the wrong idea and start telling people that the two of you are a couple? What?! No. I'm sorry, what? Either that person has some mental health issues, making them unable to work out the conventions of a romantic relationship, or even delusional Or that person was so sheltered that they have absolutely no concept of how romantic relationships work Or they are being manipulative on purpose Anyway this is completely bonkers, and I have a hard time believing it happens often. Even twelve years old wait at least after a kiss before they brag to their friends. Pfff, when I started dating my second husband, back in college, his best friend's 19-year-old sister, who had a crush on him, went round the bend with creepy jealousy and started referring to herself as his "ex". Even her brother thought she was a lunatic. It wasn't a case of a teenage fling being misread, either... at the risk of TMI, my guy was religious and a virgin when he met me (he really was completely clueless). When we visited my guy's friend, the little sister would do things like take a cup of coffee literally out of my hand so she could give it to him herself. I made a serious talk with the chick a condition of us getting engaged. |
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Post by csj on Aug 3, 2018 15:32:57 GMT
heh
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Post by avurai on Aug 3, 2018 17:37:05 GMT
By The Way: Reality is subjective in the Gunnerverse but even In Real Life some people's reality is more subjective than others. For example... Ever been the last person to know you were dating someone? Spent some time hanging out with them, maybe had some good conversations and some fun platonic times, then they get the wrong idea and start telling people that the two of you are a couple? What?! No. I'm sorry, what? Either that person has some mental health issues, making them unable to work out the conventions of a romantic relationship, or even delusional Or that person was so sheltered that they have absolutely no concept of how romantic relationships work Or they are being manipulative on purpose Anyway this is completely bonkers, and I have a hard time believing it happens often. Even twelve years old wait at least after a kiss before they brag to their friends. Tragically, your experiences are not universal. Also... mental health issues... Yes??? Lots of people have them??? |
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Post by aline on Aug 24, 2018 11:35:48 GMT
Tragically, your experiences are not universal. A good thing for the rest of humanity, too. My point has nothing to do with my experiences, and every thing to do with social rules. If OP had written "someone walked up to me and threw eggs at me", with the tone implying that being treated like that is something one should expect to happen when going out in the street, I would also have said "well no, it's not bloody acceptable to throw eggs at people in the street and it's not something you should accept as a normal part of walking out your door. And unless that person has a very good excuse i.e. the behavior was not controllable, that person is a shitty person who had no right to do that to you." Also... mental health issues... Yes??? Lots of people have them??? Including me??? And??? A couple of mental health issues can excuse the behavior OP talked about because they affect people's ability to, well, interpret what is really going on around them, for a variety of reasons. In which case, the other party was still harmed, but it's an unfortunate accident rather than shitty behavior of an entitled or manipulative asshole. Somehow you're angry with me for thinking it's not normal to walk over other people's right to consent. I'm not sure why. |
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Post by avurai on Aug 24, 2018 18:22:49 GMT
Tragically, your experiences are not universal. A good thing for the rest of humanity, too. My point has nothing to do with my experiences, and every thing to do with social rules. If OP had written "someone walked up to me and threw eggs at me", with the tone implying that being treated like that is something one should expect to happen when going out in the street, I would also have said "well no, it's not bloody acceptable to throw eggs at people in the street and it's not something you should accept as a normal part of walking out your door. And unless that person has a very good excuse i.e. the behavior was not controllable, that person is a shitty person who had no right to do that to you." Also... mental health issues... Yes??? Lots of people have them??? Including me??? And??? A couple of mental health issues can excuse the behavior OP talked about because they affect people's ability to, well, interpret what is really going on around them, for a variety of reasons. In which case, the other party was still harmed, but it's an unfortunate accident rather than shitty behavior of an entitled or manipulative asshole. Somehow you're angry with me for thinking it's not normal to walk over other people's right to consent. I'm not sure why. The immediate assumption that situations resulting from poor social skills are seemingly impossible to the point of being flabbergasted was just odd to me. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 24, 2018 22:21:46 GMT
Of the two cases where that happened to me one was the direct result of immaturity and lack of social skills, which she later went on to demonstrate as clearly as she could in other ways after I (politely as possible) corrected the misunderstanding. The other case was more like marking out territory in advance; she had decided that we were going to date and I just didn't know it yet therefore my consent or knowledge was irrelevant. Both involved me finding out that I had a new girlfriend by me walking up to a group of mutual acquaintances and noticing that they were all looking at me funny, followed by a long moment of silence, after which an elected representative would approach and ask, "So how long have you and [insert name here] been going out?"
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Creepiness aside, I am sure this is all Coyote's plan.
