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Post by todd on Jul 16, 2018 12:43:55 GMT
Now she's got to deal with some new merged creature who is also a crazy god, but not one she knows how to deal with, and all her protectors are gone. That was *so* not the plan. And without even anticipating that (I'm not sure we had, either). Since Annie's fifteen at most, the "whoever-it-is" calling her that is decidedly unsettling. (I wonder if this is more of the policy I speculated on with Friday's page, of keeping Annie too distracted and off-balance to speak with him about the Court's peril and urge him to make peace with it. If Annie does manage to bring that up by Friday's page, I'll be impressed.) |
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Post by madjack on Jul 16, 2018 13:00:53 GMT
Whatever the merged thing has become, it extracted both Coyote and Ysengrin souls from itself and became its own being Or is making it look that way to further deceive Annie. The Ysengrin statue being carved as sad as it is suggests it's being used to manipulate her. |
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Post by agasa on Jul 16, 2018 13:01:12 GMT
Please, please, please make it so that Mr. Notcoyote has no romantic feelings for Annie.
Affection, friendship and romanticism are so close, yet so distant - but in a mind as warped as his, they could've easily crossed over.
And this is terrifying. It's probably the first page of Gunnerkrigg I truly find terrifying for the implications this could have in the, ahem, paws of a crazed, out of control god with limitless power.
I want Coyote back. I so want, Coyote, back. Annie can't even try to run if something seriously bad happens.
This is a comic with children in it, so I doubt it will but it STILL is terrifying.
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Post by agasa on Jul 16, 2018 13:02:13 GMT
I seldom found my avatar AKA Sad ChibYsengrin so topical.
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Post by ctso74 on Jul 16, 2018 13:44:53 GMT
a) The forest feels so... dead. I hope the inhabitants are just hiding, and not "reengineered", or something. b) Second half of today's page is the ether. Compared to this Coyote/Ys/whoever-he-is-now looks like an effing clown. But what kind of clown: a "Haha!" or an "AhAh!" "My pl-" "Neither!" (Maybe "my love" is just one of those things with no lewd connotations in the Englands.) It's the eyes. In the next few pages, he may very well pull it back and act more "normal" or nonchalant. I really hope so. Plus, Pupyote... Neither-Puppy... could merely be more hyper and impulsive, which when considering Coyote is saying something. Still though, those eyes calling someone "My love". Yikes |
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Post by todd on Jul 16, 2018 14:01:18 GMT
This is a comic with children in it, so I doubt it will but it STILL is terrifying. Having child leads (and Annie's a teenager by now, 14 or 15) doesn't necessarily mean "meant for children". |
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Post by Trillium on Jul 16, 2018 14:09:24 GMT
Yeah, hoping he's implying it in more of a jovial way. Really though, it's likely Coyote's influence here that's making Ys speak this way. Didn't Jones once say that Ysengrin was on the edge of insanity? Well, seems he's over the edge now. That's a seriously scary look Well, she thought she was meeting with her friend Ysengrin. He may have been a crazy god, but at least he was a known quantity. She knew what to expect from Ysengrin, the good and the bad. Coyote was also a crazy god, but he'd promised her protection. Whatever else he might plot, she knew he wouldn't hurt her. Now she's got to deal with some new merged creature who is also a crazy god, but not one she knows how to deal with, and all her protectors are gone. That was *so* not the plan. Maybe this is the result of a warped love for Antimony from Ysengrin? Either way, get your pepper spray, Annie. Mmph, if anything that sounds more like Coyote. The guy put his nose under Annie's skirt when she was... what? Eleven? And this "Antimony, my love" looks more like a way to unsettle her than a genuine expression of sentiment. Hmm. Some combination of Ysengrin's high regard for Annie and Coyote's irreverence? I was thinking more along the lines of a more "family" love than an actual love. And then it being warped by Coyote's influence and Ysengrin's own decent into madness.
It's the craziness of Coyote, mixed with the twisted love and powerhunger of Ysengrin! Nothing bad could happen with that! Do the two totems mean Ysengrin managed to pull his own "souls" out of the material realm and purely into the ether? That WAS a trick only Coyote knew... This "my love" business is more Coyote than Ys, but isn't quite. There's a suspicion that Coyote was well aware of the likely outcome of his latest trick. I wonder if the old dog threw in a few false, romantic, memories in to the mix for a bit of fun? a) The forest feels so... dead. I hope the inhabitants are just hiding, and not "reengineered", or something. b) Second half of today's page is the ether. Compared to this Coyote/Ys/whoever-he-is-now looks like an effing clown. Now you're collectively forgetting this chapter's name! Seriously, look at this cover, then at this third panel and this first panel, does it ring any bells? PS: Whatever the merged thing has become, it extracted both Coyote and Ysengrin souls from itself and became its own being And I believe whoever it is can solemnly swear that he's up to no good. |
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Post by ohthatone on Jul 16, 2018 14:32:12 GMT
pretty sure the "my love" thing is just being playful. no romance hidden or otherwise intended. still hella creepy.
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Post by davidm on Jul 16, 2018 14:39:36 GMT
Like Superman and Lois Lane,
Or Wonder Woman and Steve Tyler.
Hehe!
"Dad, I solved the forest problem"
"Annie, I am so proud of you"
"CoyoteYsengrin and I are getting married. And he says I am pregnant with 6 puppies already but I won't die when they grow up."
"!?!?!?!?!"
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Post by Eversist on Jul 16, 2018 14:49:18 GMT
Yeah, hoping he's implying it in more of a jovial way. Really though, it's likely Coyote's influence here that's making Ys speak this way. Now you're collectively forgetting this chapter's name! Seriously, look at this cover, then at this third panel and this first panel, does it ring any bells? PS: Whatever the merged thing has become, it extracted both Coyote and Ysengrin souls from itself and became its own being  Speaking abstractly, I think we're all talking about the combination of the two here. "C's influence on Y" means... what it means, but in their combined form. Ys has this (what I hope is paternal) affection for Annie, Coyote has the personality to speak about it this way. |
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Post by jda on Jul 16, 2018 15:01:25 GMT
Well, Coysengrin's Fps are lagging a bit.
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Post by jda on Jul 16, 2018 15:04:33 GMT
The "My love" should not worry anyone. I t's just the playful thing you would say a puppy. A weak puppy that you could pet, kick or eviscerate at the least provocation...
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Post by Igniz on Jul 16, 2018 15:28:18 GMT
The moment I saw The Fusion's eyes, it reminded me of cartoons like this:  "The canine is craaaazy" By the way, I also think the "Antimony, my love!" should not be taken too literally. Tricksters (gods, mythological and folklore beings, and characters likte those from Woody Woodpecker, The Looney Tunes, Tiny Toons or Animaniacs) are well known to usually recur to this and similar phrases and antics to either annoy, bother, harass, disturb, irritate or embarrass their intended targets/victims. In my opinion, The Fusion is just pestering Annie, both for self-amusement as well as to intimidate, disarm and manipulate her to further his own ends and goals - all the while trying to establish a hierarchy ("I'm the boss here, and you're only a toy"). His attitude - a clear reflection-extension of Coyote's interest in Annie's powers and abilities and the role he has planned for them from the very start - will turn out to be either a nuisance at least (Ã la Coyote), or an obnoxious goal-driven obsession at most (angry Ysengrin style). Or is making it look that way to further deceive Annie. The Ysengrin statue being carved as sad as it is suggests it's being used to manipulate her. The "My love" should not worry anyone. I t's just the playful thing you would say a puppy. A weak puppy that you could pet, kick or eviscerate at the least provocation... +1 |
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Post by davidm on Jul 16, 2018 15:36:12 GMT
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Post by faiiry on Jul 16, 2018 16:41:28 GMT
"My pl-" "Neither!" (Maybe "my love" is just one of those things with no lewd connotations in the Englands.) Wait... "my love" has lewd connections?? I'm not English and had no idea of this. |
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Post by davidm on Jul 16, 2018 16:58:37 GMT
"My pl-" "Neither!" (Maybe "my love" is just one of those things with no lewd connotations in the Englands.) Wait... "my love" has lewd connections?? I'm not English and had no idea of this. My love most commonly is used as expression of affection for girlfriend or boyfriend, husband or wife. But is also commonly used playfully with all sorts of others. Some may feel Annie dating a much older "man" is lewd. (Diego long ago felt Jeanne dating an elf boy was lewd) ;P |
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Post by saardvark on Jul 16, 2018 17:41:54 GMT
Well, Coysengrin's Fps are lagging a bit. Fps = fangs per second? His teeth do seem to be lagging his jaw... edit: (power of google) ah, frames per second! amounts to the same thing, perhaps... |
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Post by fia on Jul 16, 2018 19:27:43 GMT
I'm not going to take Ysenyote/Coywolf saying 'my love' lightly, just for now. Mostly because there's all sorts of possible plot support for this development - and also the fact that Tom gave a whole speech on the Ysengrim/Antimony relationship, which at the time I found sort of curious. It was clear he found it very important to the plot, if he talked about that, out of all the possible relationships he could have mentioned in Gunnerverse.
There's also the fact that one could describe Ysenyote as being "mad as a March hare", a phrase which refers to mating season for said mammals. Notably, Sir Thomas More, resistor against the Protestant Reformation and Martin Luther, refers to both March hares and mad dogs in his Supplication of Souls, a defense of the Catholic clergy (and the concept of Purgatory) against detractors. I find this interesting only because Ysengrim is often historically depicted as a member of the clergy himself, in a form of parody.
One last note: Ysengrim in many versions of the Ysengrim/Renart stories has a wife. In one of them she is named as Hersent. Strikingly, in many of the stories she ends up having sexual relations with the fox, either willingly or (sadly) unwillingly. That is to say, one of the ways in which Renard tricks Ysengrim is by stealing his wife. It wouldn't be that odd for Tom to sort of gesture at that storyline, in a more digestible form, by having Ysengrim and Reynard be interested in the same woman (so to speak --- noting of course that Annie and Surma are not the same woman).
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Post by blazingstar on Jul 16, 2018 19:35:51 GMT
...and she's wary enough for her hair bun to go "flame on" as a reflexive response. Probably wise. Might provoke a quick withdrawal of "crazed face" and a faux-hurt "aaww, did I scare you? Little ol' me? '. The ends of Annie's hair isn't going flamey as a defense mechanism. That's how her hair appears in the ether when she's using her abilities, I think. It's been happening more often as she's regained her strength since the haircut. |
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Post by csj on Jul 16, 2018 20:56:13 GMT
His teeth seem a little adrift. His mind seems a little adrift, too. A few totems short of a pole. |
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Post by Eversist on Jul 16, 2018 21:19:11 GMT
The ends of Annie's hair isn't going flamey as a defense mechanism. That's how her hair appears in the ether when she's using her abilities, I think. It's been happening more often as she's...  |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 16, 2018 21:47:20 GMT
The "My love" should not worry anyone. I t's just the playful thing you would say a puppy. A weak puppy that you could pet, kick or eviscerate at the least provocation... Even if Ysengoyote isn't romantically attracted to Antimony she remains etherically attractive in general plus she's not entirely human so she can be both better than human and a substitute for humans you'd want to dominate, depending on your mood. He's sort of a lonely guy with few/ no friends; he's spent time with her and though he might not have considered her a friend before ch. 66 that can inspire desires for control by itself... even without a sudden influx of god-like power. |
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Post by laaaa on Jul 16, 2018 22:08:39 GMT
Creepiness aside, I am sure this is all Coyote's plan.
Remember that other chapter where he fooled even himself that he was a dead goose? Who's to say that he didn't fool Y into thinking he died?
Plus the stuff he gave to Parley and Andrew beforehand. I bet if you mix them up Coyote'll be restored.
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Post by csj on Jul 16, 2018 23:09:53 GMT
(Maybe "my love" is just one of those things with no lewd connotations in the Englands.) It's context sensitive. If someone you're acquainted with calls you 'lovely', it's generally intended as an endearment, like calling you their buddy, or pal. (There's a brit expat shoemaker in my town that LOVES doing this) If it's someone that's called you beautiful and happens to be a kinda creepy old wolf with a compromised degree of self-control/sanity, then I would probably be a lot more suspicious. |
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Post by csj on Jul 16, 2018 23:11:29 GMT
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Post by todd on Jul 17, 2018 1:03:56 GMT
Creepiness aside, I am sure this is all Coyote's plan. I've been wondering about that. It struck me that we've got Annie - now isolated and vulnerable - with "whoever-this-is" in the Forest. She came to reason with Ysengrin, not suspecting the mental changes and identity question that the wolf's undergone, thanks to his attack on the Court. In her present state, "whoever-this-is" could probably easily manipulate and maneuver her into agreeing to stay in Gilltie Wood - and Coyote's held that the whole reason why Reynardine insists on staying at the Court is because Annie's there, so that if Annie settles in Gilltie Wood permanently, Reynardine will probably come back. That could be the real goal all along - the attack on the Court being just a diversion to get Annie to do what he wanted her to. It's even possible that, while the Court isn't keen on losing control of Reynardine, it might change its mind if it became convinced that this is what the assault on the Court is really about, and that Gilltie will leave them alone if Reynardine goes back, that allowing him to return will end this nonsense and let them return to "business as normal", and that it's more trouble keeping him there than letting him leave. |
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Post by warrl on Jul 17, 2018 2:50:43 GMT
(Maybe "my love" is just one of those things with no lewd connotations in the Englands.) In certain parts of England, "my love" is a fairly common casual greeting. For that matter it isn't even the first time Annie has been addressed as my love. I'm pretty sure there was no lewdness intended or perceived in that instance. |
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Post by laaaa on Jul 17, 2018 5:15:00 GMT
I don't know... Reynardine stays from his own free will in the court. Tricking Annie to stay in the forest probably won't solve Reynardine's absence permanantly. They'd both probably return first chance they got, whenever the trickery is revealed or whenever she gets the upper hand again. (Even if Y tells Annie of all the horrible things the Court has done, it won't change the fact that Annie's only friends and family are in there.) I'm thinking more along the lines of all this somehow healing Y's mind (although can't see how) or permanantly stopping the Court's experiments... |
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Post by Igniz on Jul 17, 2018 5:31:07 GMT
 Now that you mention it...It's context sensitive. If someone you're acquainted with calls you 'lovely', it's generally intended as an endearment, like calling you their buddy, or pal. (There's a brit expat shoemaker in my town that LOVES doing this) If it's someone that's called you beautiful and happens to be a kinda creepy old wolf with a compromised degree of self-control/sanity, then I would probably be a lot more suspicious. Agreed. In this case, I think it's more on the lines of this. |
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Post by arf on Jul 17, 2018 6:55:11 GMT
This is a comic with children in it, so I doubt it will but it STILL is terrifying. You haven't encountered any of Neil Gaiman's graphic novels, have you? Also, the first part of "Spirited Away" is all about the terror of a young girl being thrust into an unexpected situation. It works. |
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Speaking abstractly, I think we're all talking about the combination of the two here. "C's influence on Y" means... what it means, but in their combined form. Ys has this (what I hope is paternal) affection for Annie, Coyote has the personality to speak about it this way.
