|
|
Post by aaroncampbell on Sept 5, 2012 4:00:49 GMT
Good call; those explanations make perfect sense. I was thinking too hard. Coyote doesn't think hard enough -- unless he's trying to be tricksy, that is. And I think that bit just comes naturally, and he doesn't even think hard at that.
|
|
|
|
Post by wingedfoe on Sept 22, 2012 11:04:41 GMT
Here's a theory. If the ether is fed by the souls of the dead and Gunnerkrigg Court is man's endeavour to become God, then it stands to reason that once the Court has accomplished its goal and achieved immortality, the etheric world will cease "spinning." Not only will the new supply of ether be severed; it will be slowly drained away by the Court's ether power plants. Coyote's and all etheric beings' power will wane, until it becomes a world where animals are just animals. This explains why The Court and The Forest are so antithetical to each other. If The Court wishes to succeed in its goal of attaining immortality, then the ether must cease to exist. |
|
|
|
Post by agasa on Sept 22, 2012 14:20:08 GMT
I must come round these parts more often. The recent developments on Coyote and Ysengrin's relationship were surprising to say the least - and disgusting.
Wingedfoe's theory is...enormously interesting. It gives us a solid motive for Coyote's trickery to continue a court-forest conflict - preserving his own, and the whole of the forest's life. He may try different ways for a change, though...
|
|
|
|
Post by GK Sierra on Sept 22, 2012 18:58:05 GMT
Here's a theory. If the ether is fed by the souls of the dead and Gunnerkrigg Court is man's endeavour to become God, then it stands to reason that once the Court has accomplished its goal and achieved immortality, the etheric world will cease "spinning." Not only will the new supply of ether be severed; it will be slowly drained away by the Court's ether power plants. Coyote's and all etheric beings' power will wane, until it becomes a world where animals are just animals. This explains why The Court and The Forest are so antithetical to each other. If The Court wishes to succeed in its goal of attaining immortality, then the ether must cease to exist. Or at least, cease to exist outside of the control of the Court. I think they would find more than a few interesting projects to start with all that etheric energy. |
|
|
|
Post by Bob, Squirrel King on Sept 25, 2012 3:31:32 GMT
Ysengrin seems genuinely confused about why he attacked Annie. Could that be because Coyote implanted triggers in him, and asking about certain subjects that coyote doesn't want him talking/thinking about. Wouldn't want his favorite plaything to realize he's been editing his memory, would he?
|
|
|
|
Post by smjjames on Sept 25, 2012 16:06:45 GMT
Wouldn't Ysengrin eventually notice odd gaps or blackouts in his memory?
|
|
|
|
Post by GK Sierra on Sept 25, 2012 18:47:05 GMT
Ysengrin seems genuinely confused about why he attacked Annie. Could that be because Coyote implanted triggers in him, and asking about certain subjects that coyote doesn't want him talking/thinking about. Wouldn't want his favorite plaything to realize he's been editing his memory, would he? Ysrengrin is the Manchurian Candidate |
|
|
|
Post by tustin2121 on Oct 8, 2012 19:11:14 GMT
Here's a theory about Jones, or Wandering Eye: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=656The man in this page is Jones (or rather, whatever Wandering Eye is) before Jones moved into Jones's body! If the current chapter keeps going, we're sure to see Jones at a century before, and probably in a different-looking body! |
|
|
|
Post by zimmyzims on Oct 8, 2012 20:29:09 GMT
Here's a theory about Jones, or Wandering Eye: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=656The man in this page is Jones (or rather, whatever Wandering Eye is) before Jones moved into Jones's body! If the current chapter keeps going, we're sure to see Jones at a century before, and probably in a different-looking body! We don't see that person close enough to tell... maybe it is she, Jones wearing a rather masculine outfit? ;D I like your theory, although I doubt it a lot. |
|
lukaswhite
New Member
The World Continues to Spin
Posts: 15
|
Post by lukaswhite on Oct 25, 2012 0:26:55 GMT
*So TicTocs are some kind of robotic bird, obviously. Thus, they combine a natural creature with tech. Who'd be most likely to do something like that?
WHAT IF Coyote created TicTocs to spy on the Court, since they are robotic and thus allowed in the Court?!
*Also, if we are to believe that Jones has been in, like, all of the places, she must be important. And she's apparently super-dense (physically), so she may have some kind of earthly power. Who in mythology is earthly and powerful?
WHAT IF Jones is Gaia?!
...That's all I got. Also, Hello People I've Never Met!tm
|
|
|
|
Post by Georgie L on Oct 25, 2012 1:22:48 GMT
Coyote would be incredibly out of his element though trying to create robots.
My current pet theory for them is that they are part of the seed bismuth (whatever that is), it explains why not even the robots know what it is because they're older than them. Though I do think they may have some ether behind them, they are called 'the thousand eyes'.
|
|
|
|
Post by seaofalchemy on Oct 25, 2012 7:44:01 GMT
Yes, who/what is this "divine being" that created these Tic-toc birds? The fact that the robots said the "being" was "divine" made me about Kat, since the robots consider her an angel. It's almost messianic. And someone posted a theory that Kat actually figured out a way to go back in time and become (or create) Jones, but I think they were just playing around with the possibilities. It sure gave me a chuckle. xD Soooo... Jones is Kat's veeeeeery long plan to make sure that she has the hunky games teacher as a family friend when young... and in the end the hunk ends up boinking the robot instead. :P
But hey, we don't yet know what happens when Kat gets adult, things can change. [/size][/quote] Hehehehe, her parents know what happens!
www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=400
Behold, Anja giving Kat the keys to the room consisting of the golem bots that will teach Kat how to make Jones! (she is also very nervous)
And then...
www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=401
"no, let them figure it out" - she knows that Kat will learn how to make Jones and send her to the past.
Or she just wants to join her daughter in discovering the secret behind the g-bots, which her and Donny could not do.[/size][/quote] |
|
lukaswhite
New Member
The World Continues to Spin
Posts: 15
|
Post by lukaswhite on Oct 25, 2012 20:21:34 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by seaofalchemy on Oct 26, 2012 6:29:33 GMT
But... Tom already DOES have pictures of himself on the Internet... I remember the actual time I saw that photo of that man with the odd eyes, and I remember being totally freaked out. I was like, "Ooh, beautiful clouds. Awh, a cute puppy! Oh, the deck of a ship model—what the hell is that?!" And then I quickly scrolled down.  I had thought it was a man whose right side of his face is halfway shown on a mirror, and the left side we see is his reflection, which would explain the line down his face. But that was wrong since his reflections don't match. I think it's a dirty, worn-down, dummy or puppet of some sort. I don't know. But I'm sure it's not Tom. |
|
|
|
Post by GK Sierra on Oct 26, 2012 6:45:41 GMT
But... Tom already DOES have pictures of himself on the Internet... I remember the actual time I saw that photo of that man with the odd eyes, and I remember being totally freaked out. I was like, "Ooh, beautiful clouds. Awh, a cute puppy! Oh, the deck of a ship model—what the hell is that?!" And then I quickly scrolled down. I had thought it was a man whose right side of his face is halfway shown on a mirror, and the left side we see is his reflection, which would explain the line down his face. But that was wrong since his reflections don't match. I think it's a dirty, worn-down, dummy or puppet of some sort. I don't know. But I'm sure it's not Tom. Yes, there are plenty of pics of Tom. He has been doing conventions for a while. Pretty average looking bloke, and I mean that in an endearing way. |
|
lukaswhite
New Member
The World Continues to Spin
Posts: 15
|
Post by lukaswhite on Oct 26, 2012 11:10:17 GMT
Oh, well I haven't seen any, so never mind.  |
|
alexh
Full Member
Posts: 113
|
Post by alexh on Oct 26, 2012 11:40:51 GMT
Yes, who/what is this "divine being" that created these Tic-toc birds? The fact that the robots said the "being" was "divine" made me about Kat, since the robots consider her an angel. It's almost messianic. And someone posted a theory that Kat actually figured out a way to go back in time and become (or create) Jones, but I think they were just playing around with the possibilities. It sure gave me a chuckle. xD Haha! Yeah, I actually thought of this too! BASICALLY: No one can catch the birds. They follow some kind of strict self-preservation rule. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=279NO ONE. I mean, it's pretty unlikely that after all this time, super-fast Eglamore and/or Jones hasn't tried to grab one, yet. Except, yeah, the one that broke. IN AN ATTEMPT TO SAVE ANNIE. Why would it risk being caught? Because its creator, angel Kat, would never let Annie be harmed. So. The only explainable way these birds can avoid capture AND exist from before Kat's time is time travel. They are time traveling birds that can see the future or something, but that basically lets them prevent themselves from being caught. :D Edit: Oh, and Kat's got a thing for birds, so that works too. |
|
|
|
Post by seaofalchemy on Oct 27, 2012 10:46:00 GMT
Yes, who/what is this "divine being" that created these Tic-toc birds? The fact that the robots said the "being" was "divine" made me about Kat, since the robots consider her an angel. It's almost messianic. And someone posted a theory that Kat actually figured out a way to go back in time and become (or create) Jones, but I think they were just playing around with the possibilities. It sure gave me a chuckle. xD Haha! Yeah, I actually thought of this too! BASICALLY: No one can catch the birds. They follow some kind of strict self-preservation rule. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=279NO ONE. I mean, it's pretty unlikely that after all this time, super-fast Eglamore and/or Jones hasn't tried to grab one, yet. Except, yeah, the one that broke. IN AN ATTEMPT TO SAVE ANNIE. Why would it risk being caught? Because its creator, angel Kat, would never let Annie be harmed. So. The only explainable way these birds can avoid capture AND exist from before Kat's time is time travel. They are time traveling birds that can see the future or something, but that basically lets them prevent themselves from being caught. :D Edit: Oh, and Kat's got a thing for birds, so that works too. All right, alexh! You totally expanded the theory beautifully! It totally makes sense, in a humorous way (the part about Kat traveling back in time and becoming/creating Jones). It's also endearing (about the Tic-toc birds saving Annie). I love this theory. It's believable. And do you also remember when Kat found a wounded baby pigeon in Chapter 29: A Bad Start? She brought it to Paz to see if Paz can see what's wrong with it. And then THIS happened? It totally sparked an idea for Kat about the mechanisms of a bird's wing! She totally made those Tic-toc birds, man. Maybe, maybe not... but I am totally mind-blown! xD |
|
|
|
Post by dailenna on Oct 27, 2012 11:03:46 GMT
If Kat didn't make them, then at least she's going to get to explore one at some point. Because face it, she's the mechanical genius of the court - either some mentor figure gets introduced for her soon, or there's no-one better than her to do it if/when a Tic-Toc is captured.
|
|
alexh
Full Member
Posts: 113
|
Post by alexh on Oct 28, 2012 1:35:57 GMT
And do you also remember when Kat found a wounded baby pigeon in Chapter 29: A Bad Start? She brought it to Paz to see if Paz can see what's wrong with it. And then THIS happened? It totally sparked an idea for Kat about the mechanisms of a bird's wing! She totally made those Tic-toc birds, man. Maybe, maybe not... but I am totally mind-blown! xD Ah! Nice find! Kat and Paz, man. We have not seen the last of them (We haven't seen Kat come back to the animal-testing-thing with Annie yet. (from www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=758) It could just happen offscreen, of course). If this story has time travel, (which it will; every good story has time travel) it's going to at least be with those birds. The main issue with this theory is that there has been zero precedence set within the story for time travel. Kind of. Kat's dad and mom developed a portal system. Maybe that gets exploited? And as Dailenna said, if Kat didn't make them, I would be disappointed if she isn't the main instigator of their part in the plot. (I think that sentence makes sense? Sorry. :P) |
|
|
|
Post by warrl on Oct 28, 2012 4:10:13 GMT
And someone posted a theory that Kat actually figured out a way to go back in time She hopped over to another comic and talked to the squirrel girls. |
|
|
|
Post by seaofalchemy on Oct 28, 2012 6:51:49 GMT
If this story has time travel, (which it will; every good story has time travel) it's going to at least be with those birds. The main issue with this theory is that there has been zero precedence set within the story for time travel. Kind of. Kat's dad and mom developed a portal system. Maybe that gets exploited? (This is a long reply. Sorry if it's so verbose.) Exactly! You might have a point when you mentioned Donald's and Anja's “portal system!” Wait. Was it a portal system? Or just a system that keeps an eye on Reynardine? Anyway, this page and this page is where it's first explained. Anja explains that the information from her computer can be accessed and sent to her pendant. Her computer is “tucked away in a safe location.” So, maybe it is some sort of a portal or teleporting system of information? Or just some kind of WiFi (I say WiFi because Anja accesses data wirelessly) or some kind of computer file-transfer program in the Gunnerkrigg Court universe? Moving on. Here, Kat was amazed by Annie's ability to retrieve her blinker stone from Anja. Kat exclaims, “It's gotta be some kind of matter transferance!” And in a later chapter, Kat was puzzled by Parley's ability to teleport on this page. “Man, I wonder how that works.” Those little things she says kinda gives me a clue about her possible future obsession, fascination, and motivation to make a portal system by fiddling and enhancing her parents' computer system. It's rather foreshadowing. So, what's my point about your portal system suggestion? Have you ever read the book Timeline by Michael Crichton? It was also adapted into a film. In the novel, a couple of physicists were trying to create a teleporting system, but instead they accidentally created a time machine. This is where your portal system suggestion may be related to Kat's parents' “portal system.” Maybe, like you said, the system gets exploited; Kat studies and tinkers with her parents' “portal system” and eventually finds a way of time travel. I put “portal system” in quotations because we don't know if its use and function is like an actual portal's use and function. Also, I'm not saying that Kat's storyline of creating the Tic-toc birds, of her messing with her parents' portal system, and of accidentally discovering time-travel is solely going to be true just because it reminds me of Timeline. It's just something to get this theory going... xD I realize how crazy and lame this sounds, haha. |
|
alexh
Full Member
Posts: 113
|
Post by alexh on Oct 28, 2012 9:42:58 GMT
seaofalchemyAh, I made a mistake. I was referencing this: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1009It's just a hole-making-magic trick, nothing more. But as you said, teleportation works as time travel too! That is, assuming you are getting somewhere faster than the speed of light could.* Parley's not the only one who can teleport, by the way. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1015 and then Jimmy Jims learns it too! As for foreshadowing Kat's obsession with the art of teleportation, I'm going to play Devil's Advocate for a second. Look at this as a kind of character development theme and it's really just to show how different she is from Annie. And if anything, is just foreshadowing her eventual acceptance of the etheric arts or a finding that it is really all science. Or it foreshadows an eventual chasm that drifts her and Annie apart (further playing with the duality theme). Here is what I'm talking about: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=517www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=877 and 878 There is a conflict between Annie and Kat when it comes to understanding "magic." Kat believes everything is explainable / can be broken down into its most basic bits, whilst Annie looks at everything as a whole, "spreading her arms out like wings." Occam's Razor! Or we are right and this last panel is further foreshadowing: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=522 I haven't read Timeline, unfortunately, but I have heard of it and I do plan to. I have read "Prey" before, however and of course I've seen Twister and Jurassic Park! (Michael Crichton's works, for those that don't know) As for time travel books, I don't know if you or anyone is interested, but my favorite was "Time Travel in Einstein's Universe" by J. Richard Gott. It's a book that covers all kinds of time travel and then some. it's worth a read if you want to understand the theory behind it all (and it's entertaining, too! (in my opinion)). *This is theory. Scientists have yet to observe anything actually going faster than the speed of light. Also, it's theoretically definitely impossible to go that fast. But that makes for boring fiction!
|
|
|
|
Post by seaofalchemy on Oct 28, 2012 10:59:40 GMT
alexhOh yeah, that's right! Brinnie can teleport and, like you said, Eglamore can too. Hehehe. Note the same three triangle symbol when Brinnie teleported in the page you referred to previously. Thanks for reminding me.  On a side note: has there ever been an explanation of that three triangle symbol in the story? Maybe I just forgot about it or perhaps there's already a thread that I haven't found yet where some have discussed this. And you're right about Kat's character development, how she's skeptical yet trying to comprehend etheric science, “magic,” alchemy, etc. And you're also right that there are signs that she's trying to accept it in a way that she understands, which is all science. Yes! You must definitely read and watch Timeline. I've never read Prey, actually. But I did read and watch Jurassic Park and The Lost World. I also read and saw Sphere and Congo. After you read Timeline, you might also like Sphere. It's not even a horror novel, but it frightened me terribly. I think Kat might actually like it if she read it, hehehe.
|
|
|
|
Post by dailenna on Oct 28, 2012 12:44:13 GMT
Brinnie can teleport and, like you said, Eglamore can too. Hehehe. Note the same three triangle symbol when Brinnie teleported in the page you referred to previously. Thanks for reminding me. On a side note: has there ever been an explanation of that three triangle symbol in the story? Maybe I just forgot about it or perhaps there's already a thread that I haven't found yet where some have discussed this. >  Nope, no explanation of that symbol as far as I've seen. Either that's the universal symbol for teleportation (which Kat will obviously have to work with), or Brinnie created Eglamore's snappy stick for 'porting. That means she has the magic down and Kat will work on the tech side for the less magicky peeps ;D |
|
|
|
Post by Mezzaphor on Oct 28, 2012 20:32:05 GMT
That triangle symbol is the valknut. |
|
|
|
Post by seaofalchemy on Oct 28, 2012 21:23:35 GMT
That triangle symbol is the valknut. Thank you for the link, Mezzaphor!  Do you also happen have the link to an existing thread where the Valknut has been discussed? I assume it's been discussed in a thread(s) and I'd like to read other people's observations and theories about the relationship among the Valknut, teleportation, Eglamore, Brinnie, and all that. Thanks! I understand it might be time-consuming looking through old threads, so it's okay; you don't need to venture for it, hehe. > Nope, no explanation of that symbol as far as I've seen. Yeah, I thought so too. We haven't seen an explanation of the symbol within the Gunnerkrigg Court story/universe, but thanks to Mezzaphor, he posted a link of what it really is. |
|
|
|
Post by Per on Oct 28, 2012 22:04:49 GMT
Do you also happen have the link to an existing thread where the Valknut has been discussed? Use the comic thread index sticky to find the page at the beginning of Ties where Brinnie teleports out. |
|
|
|
Post by seaofalchemy on Oct 28, 2012 22:24:59 GMT
Do you also happen have the link to an existing thread where the Valknut has been discussed? Use the comic thread index sticky to find the page at the beginning of Ties where Brinnie teleports out. Thank you, Per! |
|
|
|
Post by seaofalchemy on Oct 28, 2012 23:24:19 GMT
This thought I am about to type might be crazy, sad, illogical, and I might get crap for it. I'm not saying that I defend this thought, but it was just a random theory that I had. >_< Perhaps this theory—or something similar to my theory—has been mentioned before in an older thread. Anyway. Do you remember in Chapter 38: Divine how this was how Zimmy saw Kat? You've probably already noticed that it looks like “Kat” is “wearing” some sort of intricate, metallic, armor-like suit. And you've probably already noticed that it looks like she's got wings too. There's also a crack on the right side of her face, but I'll get to that later. You know how the robots consider and address Kat as an “angel?” What if that “thing in the armor suit,” who Kat resembled in Zimmy's eyes, is actually how the robots see Kat? Maybe not now, but maybe she will appear that way later. Does it not look like something/someone that the robots would consider as an angel? If you think about it, often times the word “angel” usually implies death. (Or a messenger of a "God," but that's not the route I'm trying to get at.) Some of you have heard it before as a kid; your families or friends saying this: “So-and-so past away and is now an angel up in Heaven.” What if Kat's going to die? Okay okay okay, I've probably upset so many people here and caused so many eye-rolling, hahaha, but just think “what if.” Back to the crack on her face. Maybe it resembles a possible wound to Kat's face that, sadly, kills her. (A wound caused by who or what, I don't know. And this brings up the possibility that Zimmy's visions aren't just haunting and etherically connected to the real world, but that some are often of the future.) And I know. This "Kat's death" theory may be waaay too dark and depressing for Gunnerkrigg Court standards. Maybe Kat isn't “wearing” the armor-like suit, but her entity is in it? Her soul, for the lack of a better word, is (or will be) in that suit of armor-like thing. And what if that “suit of armor” thing is actually a robot that Kat will make? If and when Kat dies, what if Kat's soul leaves her body and then continues to exist in that robot? That is, Kat's soul is something like a robot's brain-chip (for the lack of a better analogy) and she finds a way—possibly with the help of Annie and her etheric/alchemic abilities—to transfer her soul into the robot. I know that this is crazy-talk that I'm spewing out, and I know I'm just over-thinking the heck out of this. But I'm just throwing it out there, haha. I'm just thinking this way because of my exposure to the anime, Fullmetal Alchemist where one of the characters named Al “dies,” then his soul leaves his body, but is transferred/attached into a suit of armor by means of alchemy performed by his brother. (Incidentally and ironically, Al in a suit of armor is often mistaken by non-fans for a robot.) Kat in a robot-like suit of armor—or Kat in a suit of armor-like robot. Take your pick. As a disclaimer, of course I'm not saying that all this is going to be true just because it reminds me of Fullmetal Alchemist. Again, I just wanted to share my thoughts. I realize that it's often futile and illogical to equate two published works. I realize that just because it happened “there” doesn't mean it's going to happen “here.” Also, of course I am aware that there are multiple meanings to “angel” and it could mean a sweet, kind, generous person, which Kat has been to the robots. So, I can see how my crazy theory can be toootally impossible if the robots truly are addressing her as “angel” meaning she is a kind person, and not meaning an angel with wings. Thank you for taking your time to read that long mess, hehehe. |
|
On a side note: has there ever been an explanation of that three triangle symbol in the story? Maybe I just forgot about it or perhaps there's already a thread that I haven't found yet where some have discussed this.
Nope, no explanation of that symbol as far as I've seen. Either that's the universal symbol for teleportation (which Kat will obviously have to work with), or Brinnie created Eglamore's snappy stick for 'porting. That means she has the magic down and Kat will work on the tech side for the less magicky peeps ;D
Do you also happen have the link to an existing thread where the Valknut has been discussed? I assume it's been discussed in a thread(s) and I'd like to read other people's observations and theories about the relationship among the Valknut, teleportation, Eglamore, Brinnie, and all that. Thanks! I understand it might be time-consuming looking through old threads, so it's okay; you don't need to venture for it, hehe.