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Post by penguinfactory on Dec 13, 2010 8:00:08 GMT
Crazy Wild Speculation #1: The Seed Bismuth is the source of the Medium's powers. Each Medium receives it from his/her mother when they're born, and passes it on to their child, killing them in the process. The reason no new Medium was chosen between Surma leaving and Annie arriving is because Annie was always the only possible candidate- Parley and Smith are just decoys to stop anyone noticing.
Speculation #2: Surma married Anthony instead of Eggers because Eglamore refused to have a child with her, knowing what it would do, whereas Anthony was prepared to go through with it.
I think that second one could be pretty plausible. The first idea is pretty out there, but it would be thematically fitting- the Seed Bismuth is always shown as between the forest and Court, like a shared possession, and what's the only thing the two sides have in common? The medium.
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Post by todd on Dec 16, 2010 23:03:44 GMT
I can't help wondering whether, if Annie wasn't older, the Court would respond to this problem (if she's ever brought back from the Wood) by getting her pregnant as quickly as possible and hope that her successor (assuming that the cycle would repeat itself with Annie and her daughter as it did with Surma and Annie) will be far less difficult for them. But I don't think that they'd stoop so low as to have it happen while she's still only thirteen.
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Post by joephlommin on Dec 16, 2010 23:32:34 GMT
I can't help wondering whether, if Annie wasn't older, the Court would respond to this problem (if she's ever brought back from the Wood) by getting her pregnant as quickly as possible and hope that her successor (assuming that the cycle would repeat itself with Annie and her daughter as it did with Surma and Annie) will be far less difficult for them. But I don't think that they'd stoop so low as to have it happen while she's still only thirteen. 0_0 |
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Post by paxjax123 on Dec 17, 2010 1:47:14 GMT
I can't help wondering whether, if Annie wasn't older, the Court would respond to this problem (if she's ever brought back from the Wood) by getting her pregnant as quickly as possible and hope that her successor (assuming that the cycle would repeat itself with Annie and her daughter as it did with Surma and Annie) will be far less difficult for them. But I don't think that they'd stoop so low as to have it happen while she's still only thirteen. 0_0 0_0 |
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Post by jayne on Dec 17, 2010 2:28:28 GMT
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Post by jtpetro on Dec 17, 2010 5:01:50 GMT
ahem...indeed. But, assuming you were serious, remember it took twelve years for Surma to die. Not exactly an efficient way to off someone inconvenient. |
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Post by blahzor on Dec 20, 2010 22:47:55 GMT
Anthony is in fact Coyote cause i'm just that wild
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Post by todd on Dec 20, 2010 23:05:48 GMT
But, assuming you were serious, remember it took twelve years for Surma to die. Not exactly an efficient way to off someone inconvenient. But Surma was bedridden during those twelve years, which would certainly keep "someone inconvenient" from doing much meddling. |
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Post by Kennedy on Dec 21, 2010 14:44:06 GMT
Okay, so this might be stupid, but what if Anthony was gone for so long because he escaped to the forest and passed the test? If I recall correctly, this was the year that Annie was supposed to hear from him anyway. Meeting her father at the end of the chapter and realizing that he turned himself into a forest animal would be kind of a twist.
...yeah, nevermind, that's actually pretty stupid.
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Post by Elaienar on Dec 21, 2010 20:27:54 GMT
Hey, I don't think it's stupid. If my spouse slowly wasted away due to the soul-sucking properties of our child I'd want to be a bird, too. Or maybe a worm. But I don't think we'll be hearing from Anthony in this chapter, unless there's a major timeskip involved -- Antimony said she would hear from him for over two years at the end of the last school year, which means the earliest he'll initiate contact will be the end of the next school year. |
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Post by joephlommin on Dec 22, 2010 1:55:45 GMT
Okay, so this might be stupid, but what if Anthony was gone for so long because he escaped to the forest and passed the test? If I recall correctly, this was the year that Annie was supposed to hear from him anyway. Meeting her father at the end of the chapter and realizing that he turned himself into a forest animal would be kind of a twist. ...yeah, nevermind, that's actually pretty stupid. No need to shoot this down buuuut Not possible because Ysengrin Did not know anthony took the tes and though he was still at the court. |
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Post by blahzor on Dec 22, 2010 14:28:01 GMT
well i was partially correct he was Anthony while looking into her dream
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Post by jayne on Dec 22, 2010 14:48:08 GMT
well i was partially correct he was Anthony while looking into her dream Annie was remembering a scene from the hospital with her mother and father. Anthony was Anthony just as Surma was Surma. Tom said Annie always wondered about the "still" which means it actually occurred. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 22, 2010 15:59:59 GMT
I am unsure that there is enough evidence in the comic to properly speculate that Antimony is a deity or important mythic personage but if she is, she's a closer match to the Irish/Welsh versions of the youngest of a goddess triad than anything else. Elsewhere it has been speculated that Surma may have been a phoenix or descended from same. That sort of regeneration is not what is happening here. With a phoenix, when it is old it immolates and rises young from its ashes. Here, we have what appears to be a cycle of girls who die after passing from girlhood into motherhood. It is a given that they will have a girl as offspring, and as the fire passes on to the next generation the mother grows weaker and dies. This is a form of immortality but with an ever-changing nature. The idea that Surma may have been a Forest creature who took the test to become human appears to have been shot down in Formspring. There is a great deal of overlap between goddess triad myths but among several are references to being honored by or carrying fire, and who guide the dead. That would explain the triple crown and also the reference Muut makes to "knowing" she would help in the previous comic. In all versions I've read she is attractive. As always young and renewing this figure is associated with new beginnings, awakening, enchantment and youthful ideas. There are also references to similar goddess triads in other and more ancient cultures. Researching this topic online is difficult because of all the overlap but you may wish to start with Anann (beware, Wiki isn't very good on this subject and may create more confusion than it resolves). |
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Post by jayne on Dec 22, 2010 16:09:47 GMT
Very interesting! There does seem to be a familiar flavor to all that and seems like something Tom would love! Thanks
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Post by jayne on Dec 22, 2010 16:35:28 GMT
"<Anann> was known for comforting and teaching the dying. Fires were lit for her during Midsummer" Okay, I know some of us play world of warcraft, so this summer, during the Midsummer Fire Festival dances, think of Annie!  |
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Dec 22, 2010 20:25:52 GMT
imaginaryfriend, why did you post that in this thread?
This is WILD SPECULATION, and that makes entirely too much sense. I was banking on the phoenix thing being way too easy (and time being more clever than that). I think you may have just validated my suspicion.
That's fairly awesome.
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Post by q3 on Dec 23, 2010 2:39:33 GMT
Alrighty then, back to the WILD speculation.
1. Surma/Antimony/ancestors are Jones' emotions, expelled and made material as part of the process that Jones underwent to become immortal.
2. Surma isn't a former forest creature--her "death" was actually the final stage of her test to BECOME a forest creature, which test she and Coyote conspired to keep secret by concocting a story about her offspring taking her powers and killing her.
3. Ysengrin isn't a wolf who gained the power to control trees. He's a tree who gained the power to control wolves. THINK ABOUT IT.
4. Boxbot is actually not so terrible.
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Post by jayne on Dec 23, 2010 3:05:52 GMT
Alrighty then, back to the WILD speculation. 4. Boxbot is actually not so terrible. NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Say it's not so!  |
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Post by blahzor on Dec 24, 2010 8:46:07 GMT
4. Boxbot is actually not so terrible. close..Boxbot is actually Coyote's father |
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Post by basser on Dec 24, 2010 8:52:52 GMT
Jones is a goddamn beholder.
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Post by dante on Dec 24, 2010 10:39:27 GMT
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 24, 2010 23:07:31 GMT
Ysengrin isn't a wolf who gained the power to control trees. He's a tree who gained the power to control wolves. THINK ABOUT IT. That's just the outward appearance. Secretly, he is a controller who gained the power to tree wolves. |
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Dec 26, 2010 3:14:31 GMT
Based on the way Coyote is more pleased to see Jones than we've ever seen him ever..
Jones is Coyote's ONE TRUE LOVE. She broke his heart because she lacks the ability to return affection. He wants desperately to get his Coyote on, and she's not looking into his eyes because it just might melt her heart of stone.
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Post by blahzor on Dec 27, 2010 14:34:41 GMT
ok pure bs thought up by me a sec ago
Coyote gave Ren the power to take control of things with eye's and ran off to Surma. then she tricks him into telling him how to do somewhat the same thing but through birth so she can live forever and therefore Surma is the most evilest person in the gunnerkrigg universe
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Post by jayne on Dec 27, 2010 14:59:06 GMT
My prediction based on too little sleep, I think...
Coyote is upset by what Annie said, not because he didn't know about it, but rather because he doesn't like the idea that someone has been telling Annie half true stories about her mother. He'll then tell us the rest of the story!
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Post by kairaven on Dec 27, 2010 16:30:44 GMT
There is a third, hidden faction in the conflict between court and forrest. One that serves as simple observer (for now). It controls The Thousand Eyes (tik toks) to watch over the court and The Wondering Eye (Jones) is its current avatar of representation. It is neither living nor dead, machine nor biological beings, technological nor etheric.
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Dec 28, 2010 15:09:57 GMT
My prediction based on too little sleep, I think... Coyote is upset by what Annie said, not because he didn't know about it, but rather because he doesn't like the idea that someone has been telling Annie half true stories about her mother. He'll then tell us the rest of the story! I'm scared. That made a bit too much sense. I'll eat my hat if it turns out Coyote's face is about wondering who is telling Annie these things rather than anything else. Also, I don't own a single hat. So I do not have to fulfill my bet. |
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Post by Elaienar on Dec 28, 2010 19:06:38 GMT
I have a lot of hats, I'm sure I can find one I don't like too much (maybe a straw one?) and send it to you. I'm sure it won't be necessary, though. Seems Coyote already knew that Renard had been tricked, though whether he knew Surma was involved in the tricking.... Well anyway, I predict that Coyote's sudden solemnface is due, not to anything Antimony or Jones has said, but to the fact that he just remembered that he left the oven on at home. In the next page he will vanish to take care of that, and the three remaining characters will sit down and play poker. Jones will win. |
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Post by jayne on Dec 28, 2010 20:15:24 GMT
How's this for wild Speculation: Coyote TOLD Surma how to trick Rey into following her so he'd have to ask Coyote for body stealing powers... like Coyote wanted. |
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