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Post by jayne on Nov 1, 2010 16:08:21 GMT
Maybe this has been speculated before, but if not: Coyote has the ability to raise the dead. The man that Rey possessed was in fact Anthony, who was brought back to life by Coyote, after Surma pleaded for this. This ticked off the Psychopomps in such a way that they refused to escort Surma when she died. Coyote was unable to bring his own son back from the dead. |
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Post by Casey on Nov 1, 2010 16:11:19 GMT
And yet he was able to preserve Renard's body, even though it should be just as dead...
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Post by fjodor on Nov 1, 2010 16:19:31 GMT
Coyote was unable to bring his own son back from the dead. Is that part of the extra-Gunnerverse Coyote mythology? Tom doesn't strictly follow existing myths so that wouldn't disqualify the speculation. |
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Post by jayne on Nov 1, 2010 16:23:17 GMT
Coyote was unable to bring his own son back from the dead. Is that part of the extra-Gunnerverse Coyote mythology? Tom doesn't strictly follow existing myths so that wouldn't disqualify the speculation. Tom has based Coyote on the existing Indian mythology. When something hasn't been stated specifically in GC, Tom tells people to read the existing Coyote stories. Tom's mentioned Coyote's son in Formspring but so far, his son has not been mentioned in GC. |
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Post by fjodor on Nov 1, 2010 19:09:49 GMT
I'll dig into Coyote myth then. tx!
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Post by jayne on Nov 1, 2010 19:16:35 GMT
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Post by fjodor on Nov 1, 2010 19:28:31 GMT
interesting reading indeed! "You (=Coyote) will have power to change yourself into anything, any object you wish when in danger or distress. There are man-eating monsters on the earth who are destroying the people. The tribes cannot increase and grow as I wish. These monsters must all be vanquished before the new people come. This is your work to do. I give you powers to kill these monsters. I have given your twin brother, Fox, power to help you, to restore you to life should you be killed. Your bones may be scattered; but if there is one hair left on your body, Fox can bring you back to life. Now go, despised Coyote! Begin the work laid out for your trail. Do good for the benefit of your people." Source: members.cox.net/academia/coyote.html#fable |
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Post by jayne on Nov 1, 2010 19:33:47 GMT
interesting reading indeed! "You (=Coyote) will have power to change yourself into anything, any object you wish when in danger or distress. There are man-eating monsters on the earth who are destroying the people. The tribes cannot increase and grow as I wish. These monsters must all be vanquished before the new people come. This is your work to do. I give you powers to kill these monsters. I have given your twin brother, Fox, power to help you, to restore you to life should you be killed. Your bones may be scattered; but if there is one hair left on your body, Fox can bring you back to life. Now go, despised Coyote! Begin the work laid out for your trail. Do good for the benefit of your people." Source: members.cox.net/academia/coyote.html#fableMAN, I have been looking for this page for ages! I found it a long time ago but couldn't find it again! Many thanks! |
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Post by Mezzaphor on Nov 2, 2010 4:02:05 GMT
Regarding the person Rey possessed and killed: The Tommentary below the page reads, "No, you do not know who the guy is yet." I've always taken that to mean that the young man was not a character who had been introduced or referenced at any prior point in the comic. So, not Anthony. |
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Post by fjodor on Nov 2, 2010 16:28:34 GMT
True, I completely forgot about that one. And there's the fact that Anthony has brown hair, and the young man has black hair. Like Mr Donlan...... (but we know him already, so he's out too.)
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 2, 2010 17:54:11 GMT
A word of caution about reading the Coyote myths: In some versions the distinction between the Old People and humans as we now think of them has been blurred or lost. In many older versions of these tales Coyote isn't the savior and defender of humans, but of the Old People.
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Post by shangrilaschild on Nov 3, 2010 14:36:38 GMT
But everyone Renard takes dies the moment he leaves it, and Anthony is still alive (it was stated Annie would see him again and I believe it's implied Renard has been in Sivo for quite some time). Oh yeah, I forgot about that part  thanks! Besides, the guy whom Reynardine possessed (shown in Chapter Twenty-one) doesn't even look like Anthony; Reynardine's victim had dark hair and Anthony has sandy-brown hair. I read all of Chapter 21 and could not find this part  Is it maybe in a different chapter? |
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Post by jayne on Nov 3, 2010 14:39:55 GMT
But everyone Renard takes dies the moment he leaves it, and Anthony is still alive (it was stated Annie would see him again and I believe it's implied Renard has been in Sivo for quite some time). Oh yeah, I forgot about that part thanks! Besides, the guy whom Reynardine possessed (shown in Chapter Twenty-one) doesn't even look like Anthony; Reynardine's victim had dark hair and Anthony has sandy-brown hair. I read all of Chapter 21 and could not find this part Is it maybe in a different chapter? (Its in chapter 20) |
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Post by blahzor on Nov 3, 2010 16:20:46 GMT
Coyote's great secret is..........he's the reason most things taste like chicken that aren't chicken
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Post by blahzor on Nov 3, 2010 16:23:27 GMT
Regarding the person Rey possessed and killed: The Tommentary below the page reads, "No, you do not know who the guy is yet." I've always taken that to mean that the young man was not a character who had been introduced or referenced at any prior point in the comic. So, not Anthony. at THAT page of the comic doesn't mean he hasn't been briefly shown since then and i don't remember anyone getting a question ask'd on forumspring about it since |
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Post by jayne on Nov 3, 2010 16:30:23 GMT
Regarding the person Rey possessed and killed: The Tommentary below the page reads, "No, you do not know who the guy is yet." I've always taken that to mean that the young man was not a character who had been introduced or referenced at any prior point in the comic. So, not Anthony. at THAT page of the comic doesn't mean he hasn't been briefly shown since then and i don't remember anyone getting a question ask'd on forumspring about it since Well, he was dead after that page so the only place he could have been seen is in Ties, but of course, he'd be younger and maybe his hair would have been a little lighter. |
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Post by Sadie on Nov 3, 2010 17:40:47 GMT
interesting reading indeed! "You (=Coyote) will have power to change yourself into anything, any object you wish when in danger or distress. There are man-eating monsters on the earth who are destroying the people. The tribes cannot increase and grow as I wish. These monsters must all be vanquished before the new people come. This is your work to do. I give you powers to kill these monsters. I have given your twin brother, Fox, power to help you, to restore you to life should you be killed. Your bones may be scattered; but if there is one hair left on your body, Fox can bring you back to life. Now go, despised Coyote! Begin the work laid out for your trail. Do good for the benefit of your people." Source: members.cox.net/academia/coyote.html#fableNow that could lead to some wild speculation on it's own -- depending on how closely CG follows the actual Coyote myths, it could be that Reynard is his twin Fox and should Coyote die, he can't be resurrected as long as Reynard is trapped in the Court. That'd be some pretty heady motivation for keeping Reynard's body preserved and making sweet to Annie to return him. |
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Post by Tobu Ishi on Nov 6, 2010 2:33:52 GMT
Honestly, the only character I can think of who looks anything like the "handsome young man" is Donny. The dark hair, the square face, and some of the postures match him.
But, uh...that's more than slightly impossible, so I've got nothin'. XD
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Post by Eversist on Nov 6, 2010 16:42:24 GMT
Has anyone proposed that Kat is a really advanced robot that her parents created since they weren't able to conceive?
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Post by q3 on Nov 6, 2010 19:10:18 GMT
"Donny" is an advanced robot created by Anja in her grief, because Renard really did possess and kill Donald Donlan.
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Post by Elaienar on Nov 6, 2010 19:25:18 GMT
The psychopomps didn't come for Surma because she was a really advanced robot created by Anthony Carver.
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Post by Tobu Ishi on Nov 6, 2010 19:27:18 GMT
Everyone in the Court is an advanced robot, except for Zimmy. She is going mad in a world overrun with the fleshbrain-frying radio signals of a thousand thousand robots communicating to one another. :3
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Post by damilo on Nov 8, 2010 18:16:33 GMT
Jones is a really advanced robot created by Boxbot who is a really advanced robot created by Diego who happens to be a really advanced robot created by the tic-tocs who are a race of really advanced robots created by Jones.
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Post by jayne on Nov 8, 2010 18:21:34 GMT
Jones is a really advanced robot created by Boxbot who is a really advanced robot created by Diego who happens to be a really advanced robot created by the tic-tocs who are a race of really advanced robots created by Jones. ...owww! |
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Post by Elaienar on Nov 10, 2010 16:39:33 GMT
Based on the Court's apparent modus operandi when they think they're in danger ... the handsome young man was sent into Gillitie by the Court in the hope that Renard would possess him, giving them a reason to imprison him. |
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Post by Casey on Nov 10, 2010 18:02:25 GMT
Based on the Court's apparent modus operandi when they think they're in danger ... the handsome young man was sent into Gillitie by the Court in the hope that Renard would possess him, giving them a reason to imprison him. How that guy ended up being around Renard in order to get possessed has been one of those long-standing "Hmmmmm" ponderables for me... still don't have a good working theory about that... |
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Post by Elaienar on Nov 10, 2010 18:23:39 GMT
Well let's see, off the top of my head here are some (non-working?) theories:
1. He was stalking Surma.
2. He was a spy for the Court.
3. He was another medium-in-training.
4. He was a foolhardy adventurer who figured out how to get across the ravine without using the bridge or being stabbed by Jeanne and just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
5. He was actually a robot created by the Divine Being who created the Tic-Tocs and he was performing an unknown function for said DB in the forest.
6. He was an immigrant who had been allowed to relocate to the forest prior to transforming.
7. Coyote invited him to the forest intending for Renard to possess him because he thought it would be fun to see what would happen between him and Surma once he had a human body.
Okay that's all I can think of at the moment.
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Post by q3 on Nov 11, 2010 4:19:20 GMT
Do we know for a fact that the handsome young man actually entered the forest? Renard could have hopped across the bridge as a rabbit and taken him while he happened to be out for a stroll outside the Court's front entrance. |
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Post by Casey on Nov 11, 2010 4:46:34 GMT
Do we know for a fact that the handsome young man actually entered the forest? Renard could have hopped across the bridge as a rabbit and taken him while he happened to be out for a stroll outside the Court's front entrance. In the page just before the one you linked, there are two indications that the man was possessed in the Forest. One, Coyote says he took the guy's body and then disappeared into the Court, and two, the picture shows the already-possessed man crossing the bridge. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 11, 2010 5:38:35 GMT
[T]here are two indications that the man was possessed in the Forest. One, Coyote says he took the guy's body and then disappeared into the Court, and two, the picture shows the already-possessed man crossing the bridge. Agreed, I was about to post that. Furthermore: The handsome young man's suit appears green. Green Guys crossing the Annan seem to be this comic's answer to the Red Shirt. Since the guy wasn't attired like Jolly Elfsberry there's two possibilities. The handsome young man is either from the Court or from the wider outside world. We have seen Eggers wearing a similar suit before so maybe he was someone who had business in the Woods but then he would've been an associate of Surma's. Killing someone Surma knew would've thrown cold water on any hot hookup, I think. Since Renard was tricked into believing Surma was hot for him any preexisting relationship would've been needless drama. There doesn't appear to have been a need for Renard to have taken a body that Surma already was attracted to, just someone handsome of the same species as Surma. Also, if in the body of a stranger Renard would've passed as a human if he needed to more easily than if he had body-snatched someone already known to the Court (someone likely to know a lot about science, for example). Also, if Renard was in the body of someone known to the Court why would he need to sneak in? He could just walk in. So my current wildspec is that the handsome young man is from somewhere else in the UK. The green suit doesn't mean he was from the Court but it is a ref to Jeanne's Forest dude. What I am curious about is if Renard stalked and possessed the guy elsewhere, then Coyote went and got Reynard's body later after Renard abandoned it (thinking never to need it again), or if the possessed guy marched all the way back to the Woods carrying the Fox body so it would be safe in the Woods in case the plan failed, or if Renard lured the guy back to the Woods on some pretext and possessed him there. If the latter, that must have really entertained Ys. |
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thanks!
Is it maybe in a different chapter?
