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Post by blahzor on Oct 30, 2020 9:57:05 GMT
paz commands a army of spiders and weird looking bugs The impression I've gotten of Paz is that her ability to talk with animals is more "Doctor Dolittle" than "animal-commanding super-hero". I don't think she could just make the spiders attack people. They owe her a favor
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Post by mturtle7 on Oct 30, 2020 19:12:03 GMT
Or the reveal that Paz had more friends who knock both girls unconscious then give them cement shoes? Kind of serious, but couldn't help my self with the idea that she planned to get both Annies out of the way.:-) The image of Paz as an old-timey Chicago mob boss ruling the Court from the shadows is honestly cracking me up.
"So...Annie...word on da street is that you been talking with da Robo-Goddess lately. Gettin' all close up and personal. Sharing sensitive information, like." "Becky! I-I dunno what you're talking about! I would never..." "The BOSS don' like snitches, Annie. She don' like people BETRAYING the FAMILY." "L-look Becky, this is crazy. I wouldn't NEVER betray the boss. Ain't I served her faithfully for years? Didn't I do a good job, back at the Love Boat heist? Where'd ya hear all this slander about me being a snitch?" "The rats." "But...there AIN'T no rats in the Court." "Yeah..." *skittering noises in the background* "...but there's plenty of SPIDERS." "No....not the Spider Boys...NOOOOOOO!" "Give her a bath in the Annan River, boys...with cement magic arrow shoes. She won't be talking to the Robo-Goddess no more."
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Post by wies on Oct 30, 2020 19:34:42 GMT
The image of Paz as an old-timey Chicago mob boss ruling the Court from the shadows is honestly cracking me up.
"So...Annie...word on da street is that you been talking with da Robo-Goddess lately. Gettin' all close up and personal. Sharing sensitive information, like." "Becky! I-I dunno what you're talking about! I would never..." "The BOSS don' like snitches, Annie. She don' like people BETRAYING the FAMILY." "L-look Becky, this is crazy. I wouldn't NEVER betray the boss. Ain't I served her faithfully for years? Didn't I do a good job, back at the Love Boat heist? Where'd ya hear all this slander about me being a snitch?" "The rats." "But...there AIN'T no rats in the Court." "Yeah..." *skittering noises in the background* "...but there's plenty of SPIDERS." "No....not the Spider Boys...NOOOOOOO!" "Give her a bath in the Annan River, boys...with cement magic arrow shoes. She won't be talking to the Robo-Goddess no more."
Writing fanfiction about your favorite character now?
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Post by Per on Oct 30, 2020 21:14:11 GMT
The spiders call it the Anansi Waters.
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Post by blahzor on Oct 31, 2020 16:27:11 GMT
Or the reveal that Paz had more friends who knock both girls unconscious then give them cement shoes? Kind of serious, but couldn't help my self with the idea that she planned to get both Annies out of the way.:-) The image of Paz as an old-timey Chicago mob boss ruling the Court from the shadows is honestly cracking me up. "So...Annie...word on da street is that you been talking with da Robo-Goddess lately. Gettin' all close up and personal. Sharing sensitive information, like." "Becky! I-I dunno what you're talking about! I would never..." "The BOSS don' like snitches, Annie. She don' like people BETRAYING the FAMILY." "L-look Becky, this is crazy. I wouldn't NEVER betray the boss. Ain't I served her faithfully for years? Didn't I do a good job, back at the Love Boat heist? Where'd ya hear all this slander about me being a snitch?" "The rats." "But...there AIN'T no rats in the Court." "Yeah..." *skittering noises in the background* "...but there's plenty of SPIDERS." "No....not the Spider Boys...NOOOOOOO!" "Give her a bath in the Annan River, boys...with cement magic arrow shoes. She won't be talking to the Robo-Goddess no more."
*Insert animal* would be a shame if say your natural predator just happens to know here you live and hang out. Maybe if you did me a favor you wouldn't be in those locations you get what i'm saying?
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Post by antiyonder on Nov 2, 2020 23:50:25 GMT
At any rate one thing I expected if not her going all thug like was an exchange like this:
With possibly this note from Tom:
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Post by basser on Nov 9, 2020 17:00:27 GMT
Copying over a comment I made in today's page discussion:
Yoooo wait I just had a thought - only things in the comic with Greek letters for names are Gamma, Zeta, and the Omega device. Tony has been involved with the Omega device for a long time and they gave him equipment related to it in order to "research Surma's pregnancy". Tony is also oddly chill about helping Kat make crazy biotech androids.
What if Zimmy and Gamma were earlier versions? An attempt to do what the Omega device does except biologically based instead of tech? And Tony accidentally his own daughter into an etheric silo, whoops.
And why would you want to research Surma's pregnancy in relation to this? Because Surma's child is uniquely able to draw etheric power to herself, siphoning the stuff out of her mother, and they're trying to build a machine that siphons etheric power out of the air. If you wanted to replicate that effect maybe you'd make a copy of that child. Maybe you'd screw it up and make a child who siphons ether until she creates Not-Birmingham instead. Whoops.
And adding another thought here: Perhaps the reason Annie helps Zimmy similar to how Gamma does isn't because Annie is another "heat sink", it's because Annie is another siphon - a more efficient one. When Annie is around she sucks up enough ether to reduce the ambient level available to Zimmy to a tolerable rate. Two Annies makes the effect stronger because they're sucking up twice the ether.
And perhaps also in that case Gamma would be yet another failed attempt to copy Annie's ether-magnet power (she has the same hair color as Tony, maybe they tried to lean harder to the human side of her genetics?), except she doesn't concentrate it like Zimmy does, she only channels and dissipates it (going with the assumption that Jones is right about her being a heat sink), so when she's around Zimmy is able to offload enough ether to avoid overloading.
In all versions of this theory I would say that the reason Tony can't behave like a human being around Court Annie is because she is technically multiple people, being somehow connected to the other "versions" (Zimmy and Gamma), and Tony's power can detect that. (Oooh, what if Gamma is more Tony-esque because they were trying to use his power to offset Surma's? Maybe he acts as an "emotional heatsink" and can't function if too many people are having feelings around him lmao.)
THIS WOULD MEAN that the Zimmy who used to be connected to Forest Annie isn't hooked up to her anymore. Which might be bad news bears for that Zimmy. Might even warrant a full page of just her screamin. Dunno.
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Post by blahzor on Nov 9, 2020 21:02:34 GMT
the court monitors weather only for it's effects on Zimmy, so they know to move her around or at least subtly get her to go to certain areas
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Post by Druplesnubb on Nov 11, 2020 8:22:03 GMT
I'm not sure about that. They seem to be very interested in random stuff, like those mating slugs in Brazil.
On another note, do you think that Tony is monitoring the data from Sky Watcher?
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Post by Corvo on Nov 19, 2020 2:19:03 GMT
I'm not sure about that. They seem to be very interested in random stuff, like those mating slugs in Brazil. On another note, do you think that Tony is monitoring the data from Sky Watcher? Maybe Tony is covering for Sky Watcher, since SK is kinda busy with some purple-shield related issues. That said, here's another wild spec: Sky Watcher's new body will be Zorak.
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Post by blahzor on Nov 19, 2020 5:48:18 GMT
I'm not sure about that. They seem to be very interested in random stuff, like those mating slugs in Brazil. On another note, do you think that Tony is monitoring the data from Sky Watcher? You only pay attention to the random stuff to see if it's actually random or could be manipulated. Ala them making "clean" rain or actual rain with ether in it
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Post by pyradonis on Nov 19, 2020 22:23:51 GMT
Wildspec sequel to this post: When she was alive, Jeanne knew Annie's fire elemental ancestor and was friends with them, or with the human who first had a child with them. Due to the lifeforce being transferred in Annie's line, Jeanne recognized her friend's (or even relative's) descendant and deliberately holds back on her rage ghostface killah reflexes when attacking. And that's why Annie was the only possible choice to finally liberate her. And also why the psychopomps tried to recruit Surma before.
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Post by bedinsis on Nov 21, 2020 8:15:20 GMT
The "Cool things I only noticed on reread"-thread got cluttered with some speculation that fits better here. I decided to try to migrate the speculation to this thread instead: The right subject for a father-daughter moment: 'Hey, dad, did you too acquire a scar after a terrific meeting with a spectral being that could have ended way worse?" 'Yes.' It's still puzzling to me why Jeanne was able to cross the water despite usually being bound to the Court side, and why her attack was ended by Kat's arrival. I suspect that will never be explained, since the natural narrative opportunities for characters discussing it seemed to have mostly been shut down, once the Jeanne arc was wrapped up. Perhaps some further exposition in that regard could be provided if Kat ever examines the arrow more (in some manner that doesn't count as forbidden "misuse"), or if there's some other flashback to Jeanne's period. It's still puzzling to me why Jeanne was able to cross the water despite usually being bound to the Court side, and why her attack was ended by Kat's arrival. [...] Or why it wasn't immediately fatal like Jeanne's attacks usually were. ... I have a vague suspicion that we haven't seen the last of Jeanne. It's still puzzling to me why Jeanne was able to cross the water despite usually being bound to the Court side She wasn't.and why her attack was ended by Kat's arrival. This puzzles me a great deal as well. My best explanation is wholly unsatisfactory: this was the first time Mr. Siddell had portrayed the ether and he probably hadn't figured out the full mechanics yet. And he probably wanted to portray it in a "was it a dream or was it real?"-fashion hence why it suddenly stopped, with the scar seemingly missing. I suspect we'll never find out what happened, since the average reader probably already has forgotten about this. And potential sources of what happened has dwindled: the suicide fairies aka Red and Ayilu has been stated to never appear in the comic again, otherwise they'd be good eye witnesses, and I halfway expected the Norn chapter to end with them seeing some footage from the barely functioning Tic-Toc before being destroyed by Ysengrin, but alas. Another explanation would be if Jeanne is weaker on the Forest side of the river(hence why she only attacked the creature commanded by Ysengrin to cross the river once it was over the actual river) and Kat's sudden light was enough to make her flee. She wasn't.This puzzles me a great deal as well. My best explanation is wholly unsatisfactory: this was the first time Mr. Siddell had portrayed the ether and he probably hadn't figured out the full mechanics yet. And he probably wanted to portray it in a "was it a dream or was it real?"-fashion hence why it suddenly stopped, with the scar seemingly missing. I suspect we'll never find out what happened, since the average reader probably already has forgotten about this. And potential sources of what happened has dwindled: the suicide fairies aka Red and Ayilu has been stated to never appear in the comic again, otherwise they'd be good eye witnesses, and I halfway expected the Norn chapter to end with them seeing some footage from the barely functioning Tic-Toc before being destroyed by Ysengrin, but alas. Another explanation would be if Jeanne is weaker on the Forest side of the river(hence why she only attacked the creature commanded by Ysengrin to cross the river once it was over the actual river) and Kat's sudden light was enough to make her flee. Reading all this analysis, I finally had an epiphany: Jeanne never intended to kill Annie. We've all been assuming that Jeanne is purely a rage ghost who immediately attacks anyone who enters the ravine...but it's rather demonstrably not like that. She immediately kills anyone who tries to cross the river, sure (and I'm just now realizing that that's why the Tic-tocs take her to the other shore...), but when stuff falls onto either shore she consistently gets a lot more thoughtful and chatty. It's less that she's "weaker" on the shore, and more that she has way less imperative to actually murderize people if they're just sitting there. And I'm remembering now, that it was kind of heavily implied that Jeanne was always waiting for someone to take her to the ether...she probably sensed on some level that Annie could help her, and reacted the only way she knew how: with cold, petty, spite and pure hatred. That cut was clearly not meant to kill, just a Zorro-like way of announcing your superiority to the enemy, which "coincidentally" also alerted the nascent psychopomp to her presence without actually killing her. Although actually, I have to admit it does seem like Jeanne only appeared to Annie when her fire went out, and disappeared specifically when Kat's spotlight shone on her...maybe Jeanne needs darkness to manifest, but only when it's on the river's shores? IDK, it kinda reads like one of those things which Tom intended as an important plot point early on in the comic's development, but then never actually came up again in any significant capacity - like Basil, for instance. Reading all this analysis, I finally had an epiphany: Jeanne never intended to kill Annie. We've all been assuming that Jeanne is purely a rage ghost who immediately attacks anyone who enters the ravine...but it's rather demonstrably not like that. She immediately kills anyone who tries to cross the river, sure (and I'm just now realizing that that's why the Tic-tocs take her to the other shore...), but when stuff falls onto either shore she consistently gets a lot more thoughtful and chatty. It's less that she's "weaker" on the shore, and more that she has way less imperative to actually murderize people if they're just sitting there. And I'm remembering now, that it was kind of heavily implied that Jeanne was always waiting for someone to take her to the ether...she probably sensed on some level that Annie could help her, and reacted the only way she knew how: with cold, petty, spite and pure hatred. That cut was clearly not meant to kill, just a Zorro-like way of announcing your superiority to the enemy, which "coincidentally" also alerted the nascent psychopomp to her presence without actually killing her. I have to respectufully disagree. The final records of her victims show that she killed indiscriminately, without warning and without being provoked. Jeanne even killed several psychopomps, Annie was the first one to be able to help her at all while the others had given up, claiming to be "powerless to help her". The question is, which unique quality does Annie possess which makes her able to help? Is it just that as she is not technically a psychopomp herself, she is not bound by the rule not to interfere with the living, and thus is free to assemble a team of living people which can do the job? Sounds a bit thin as an explanation. Also, both Mort and Muut claimed Jeanne should not be able to cross the river, before and after she did, so the comic explicitly acknowledged it as most unusual when exactly this happened...but never came back to it. Also also, Parley, who should know, states that Jeanne could have killed her and Annie "in a heartbeat", so again it was pointed out in-comic that for some reason she held back deliberately on Annie even while attacking.
Reading all this analysis, I finally had an epiphany: Jeanne never intended to kill Annie. We've all been assuming that Jeanne is purely a rage ghost who immediately attacks anyone who enters the ravine...but it's rather demonstrably not like that. She immediately kills anyone who tries to cross the river, sure (and I'm just now realizing that that's why the Tic-tocs take her to the other shore...), but when stuff falls onto either shore she consistently gets a lot more thoughtful and chatty. It's less that she's "weaker" on the shore, and more that she has way less imperative to actually murderize people if they're just sitting there. And I'm remembering now, that it was kind of heavily implied that Jeanne was always waiting for someone to take her to the ether...she probably sensed on some level that Annie could help her, and reacted the only way she knew how: with cold, petty, spite and pure hatred. That cut was clearly not meant to kill, just a Zorro-like way of announcing your superiority to the enemy, which "coincidentally" also alerted the nascent psychopomp to her presence without actually killing her. Although actually, I have to admit it does seem like Jeanne only appeared to Annie when her fire went out, and disappeared specifically when Kat's spotlight shone on her...maybe Jeanne needs darkness to manifest, but only when it's on the river's shores? IDK, it kinda reads like one of those things which Tom intended as an important plot point early on in the comic's development, but then never actually came up again in any significant capacity - like Basil, for instance. Agreed, Jeanne did not intend to kill Annie. Here's a slightly different take on it: Jeanne sees someone falling from the bridge, and several birds join in to rescue her and drop her in the water, near the other side of the river. Maybe she starts to rise up to attack, but the birds are quicker and Annie is swimming the other way now anyway. But Jeanne finds herself not only astonished/puzzled by this, but strangely drawn to the figure (both for the manner of entrance, and Annie's intrinsic etheric attractiveness). She probably senses that this person is not fully human (vaguely sensing the fire elemental, or the proto-psychopomp abilities, or both). So, she crosses over to investigate. (Not to kill, since she isn't threatening to cross anymore.). To test if this is a human, or a spirit, or a pomp, or some demigod, in her rage-ghosty way, she knicks Annie with her rapier to see if she bleeds. Fortunately, Kat appears with a bright spotlight, which Jeanne doesnt like and causes her to leave (doesnt like the ether fire, or the lights on the bridge either). Of course, this leaves the puzzle of why the Scooby-gang didn't bring a spotlight when they bipped down to set Jeanne free... tho maybe its because that would have scared her off, kinda ruining the point of the mission. Jeanne clearly doesn't try and kill anything that's down there because Y's went down there plenty of times on that side. The fairies even went but knew they didn't want her type of kill. The only really thing I got for why she seemingly crossed to cut Annie has to do with whatever makes Annie special and attract things happening to her Jeanne clearly doesn't try and kill anything that's down there because Y's went down there plenty of times on that side. The fairies even went but knew they didn't want her type of kill. The only really thing I got for why she seemingly crossed to cut Annie has to do with whatever makes Annie special and attract things happening to her I kinda read it as Jeanne had a lot of free will despite being stuck, and only "had" to kill if someone tried to cross the water. Otherwise she can leave people alone or threatened or kill as she desires. Reading the speculation(that SHOULD be in the wild spec thread or a separate thread but whatever) I had a new theory: Jeanne attacks creatures that crosses the river or which disturbs her from her mission to do so. Her attack on Annie when she fell down there was due to her having recognized that she was human and therefore must've crossed over. The creatures she killed was either those trying to cross the river or a psychopomp trying to take her away. In her first fight with Parley she had to justify herself with "[this life] should be mine to take", and her last appearance in this comic had her meeting people that tried to deceive her and mess with Diego's arrow. ...which still does not explain why she fled when Kat arrived in her machine. EDIT: ...like maxptc said, more or less. ...which still does not explain why she fled when Kat arrived in her machine. Zimmy claimed to be at first sight being terrified of Kat's nature. Maybe Kat's future apotheosis also influenced Jeanne? Killing the forest creatures is one thing, a god a different thing altogether. Also, she didn't cross the river. Oh oh oh as we know now that Coyote was there there's a chance it wasn't Jeanne who cut Annie to begin with. It's now more likely his doing to get her interested in fixing the Jeanne problem for him to later set up Y's attack. This does ruining my theory that Coyote has never seen Kat. He's probably only seen her robot angel form tho Oh oh oh as we know now that Coyote was there there's a chance it wasn't Jeanne who cut Annie to begin with. It's now more likely his doing to get her interested in fixing the Jeanne problem for him to later set up Y's attack. This does ruining my theory that Coyote has never seen Kat. He's probably only seen her robot angel form tho When do you think Coyote may have seen Kat? Coyote flicked the Tic Toc, but Kat didn't fly down to rescue Annie until the next day. Maybe Coyote was still there, but nothing in the comic has shown that. I think your theory is still intact.
I thought it was obvious that the lights from Kat's flying machine scared away Jeanne just as she was about to kill Annie. When do you think Coyote may have seen Kat? Coyote flicked the Tic Toc, but Kat didn't fly down to rescue Annie until the next day. Maybe Coyote was still there, but nothing in the comic has shown that. I think your theory is still intact.
I think blahzor is suggesting that Coyote disguised himself as Jeanne and attacked Annie to get her interested in the whole "Jeanne story". It would explain why "Jeanne" as able to cross the river... I thought it was obvious that the lights from Kat's flying machine scared away Jeanne just as she was about to kill Annie. If a bright light is all that it takes to scare Jeanne away she's not exactly a very effective guardian. When do you think Coyote may have seen Kat? Coyote flicked the Tic Toc, but Kat didn't fly down to rescue Annie until the next day. Maybe Coyote was still there, but nothing in the comic has shown that. I think your theory is still intact.
the only time would be when she flew down in her hovercraft right after the Jeanne supposedly crossing the river to put the mark on Annie's cheek, the only other time he could have seen her all he (loup) saw was a blinding light when looking at Rey next to Kat) I think blahzor is suggesting that Coyote disguised himself as Jeanne and attacked Annie to get her interested in the whole "Jeanne story". It would explain why "Jeanne" as able to cross the river... Thank you, now I follow what blahzor is saying. I personally still believe Coyote hasn't seen Kat because I need to see more before I believe Coyote disguised himself as Jeanne and sliced Annie. Thank you, now I follow what blahzor is saying. I personally still believe Coyote hasn't seen Kat because I need to see more before I believe Coyote disguised himself as Jeanne and sliced Annie. there's no valid reason of Jeanne crossing the river when literally not one has seen her do that in the decades she's been down there. Annie was down there for what? hours? as we now know that Coyote was near the edge at the time of the tic-toc rescue, he can be in multiple places and disguises. it's far more likely it was him rather than jaenne at this point I don't think it was Coyote disguised as Jeanne (Occam's Razor, and the previously linked clip of Tom saying there was nothing preventing Jeanne from crossing the river)--but if it was, that would put a whole new spin on this page. While there maybe nothing preventing her from crossing the idea of her doing so seems shocking to the forest. Why else would red and aluyu be directly across from her for the test or Y's even keep sending things. She would see him down there constantly post memory wipes and attack him to stop his constant attempts.
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Post by maxptc on Nov 21, 2020 8:33:28 GMT
Thanks to bedinsis for putting everything in one post, because the formating let me use other peoples ideas to put together a new theory, or at least new to me.
Jeanne never had to do anything, not even guard the waters. Everything she did, was her choice, the court just knew that what it was doing was awful enough that she would act as a guard for the waters. Her killing everyone who tried to cross out of spite was cool with them and all, but they also knew that, even in a "she is so noble that she could never turn truly evil" situation she would always act as a guard against real threats like Coyote and Satan. Even if she wasn't killing everyone the court could sleep soundly knowing that good old Jeanne would only let nice people like Annie or a deer cross.
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Post by shaihulud on Nov 27, 2020 21:07:09 GMT
I think, based on the new information and artwork, that the Omega Device is actually a giant 4 dimensional telescope. Essentially a hyper sphere that work like a giant eyeball. This is why Coyote keeps saying the Court is trying to become God, because they are building an all seeing eye. The image we are seeing is basically the retina.
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Post by saardvark on Nov 27, 2020 21:22:06 GMT
I think, based on the new information and artwork, that the Omega Device is actually a giant 4 dimensional telescope. Essentially a hyper sphere that work like a giant eyeball. This is why Coyote keeps saying the Court is trying to become God, because they are building an all seeing eye. The image we are seeing is basically the retina. by "4-D telescope" do you mean it can see in *time* as well? Forward and backward perhaps? This is possibly consistent with Tony and Surma's jungle investigations.... they use a prototype Omega to predict future amorous slug behavior. Somewhat Norn-like then...
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Post by shaihulud on Nov 27, 2020 22:27:56 GMT
I guess I meant both 4th dimensions, time and also the Ether. So really it's actually 5 dimensional or 4+1 dimension of time.
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Post by aquamafia on Nov 28, 2020 1:17:03 GMT
Loup will have Coyote's tooth used on him to separate Ysengrin from Coyote's powers. Or the tooth will kill Loup. The only thing that can kill Coyote or Loup is himself.
The tooth was strong enough to sever a shadow from the ground and is a part of Coyote. It also hasn't really been used yet in the comic.
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Post by Gemminie on Nov 28, 2020 16:15:08 GMT
Thanks to bedinsis for putting everything in one post, because the formating let me use other peoples ideas to put together a new theory, or at least new to me. Jeanne never had to do anything, not even guard the waters. Everything she did, was her choice, the court just knew that what it was doing was awful enough that she would act as a guard for the waters. Her killing everyone who tried to cross out of spite was cool with them and all, but they also knew that, even in a "she is so noble that she could never turn truly evil" situation she would always act as a guard against real threats like Coyote and Satan. Even if she wasn't killing everyone the court could sleep soundly knowing that good old Jeanne would only let nice people like Annie or a deer cross. My theory about how Jeanne crossed the river, why Jeanne didn't kill Annie, why Kat seemingly "scared her away," etc.: Annie fell asleep while her blinker stone was still active. Ghosts exist both in the Ether and the physical world. Jeanne can't cross the river in the physical world, but she can cross in the Ether. But normally there's no reason for her to do that, as there's nothing for her to attack. But Annie unknowingly projected herself into the Ether with her blinker stone. When she woke up, she was actually in the Ether, for the first time ever, without knowing what she was doing. Jeanne didn't attack Annie's physical body, as we know, because the cut on her face appears only when we see her in the Ether. Jeanne attacked Annie in the Ether. Jeanne fully intended to kill Annie, but she wasn't in a hurry to do it, as Annie was a child asking her a question, not an opponent attacking her – not a serious threat. So first she tried cutting her to see if she could do Annie damage with her sword in this state. And then, since Annie bled, Jeanne lunged with her sword ... and then Kat showed up. When Kat appeared, Annie was startled and deactivated her blinker stone. Suddenly she was no longer in the Ether, and Jeanne's next attack was ineffective. In the physical world, Jeanne was still confined to the other shore of the river, so she couldn't attack Annie anymore, or Kat. Word of Tom says that Jeanne didn't kill Annie because Annie got pretty lucky. This all fits. Oh, and Tom took up two entire panels showing the blood from Annie's cut flying through the air and soaking into the soil – presumably also in the Ether, as there's no physical wound. We also know that shortly after Kat, Annie, and Shadow flew off, Ysengrin came (sent by Coyote, who was watching the whole thing) and buried the Tic-Toc there. In the Forest soil watered by Annie's ethereal blood. And it grew. And Coyote took away that memory. We're not sure what he did with that memory; Loup may or may not have it, depending on whether Coyote kept it or hid it somewhere. But the point is that Court technology grows like a plant in Forest soil watered by ethereal blood. That's the Seed Bismuth right there. It's unclear whether it works with just any ethereal being or beings who can bleed, or whether it has to be a fire elemental or a being descended from one. But it looks like when they started the Court, all they needed was some Court tech, a big enough patch of Forest soil, and enough blood from one or more ethereal beings. I don't know whether they actually sacrificed any ethereal beings or whether they just got some blood from several living ones, but the story says that initially the Forest dwellers were willing participants in this; it wasn't until the Court started willing the Seed to grow too fast, overtaking the Forest, that the Forest dwellers objected. But it seems pretty clear to me that that's what the Seed Bismuth was. Now we just need the details. And Coyote didn't know any of this, because he didn't arrive until after the Court got started. So he did a little experiment – after manipulating Annie into running out onto the bridge and having the shadow man push her off the bridge, he flicked the Tic-Toc out of the air so it landed right there on the shore where she'd find it. He knew the fairies and Shadow were there too, so she'd stay near it. And he knew Jeanne would attack her if the opportunity arose. I wonder whether Muut "won" the blinker stone from Coyote in a game of poker.
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Post by pyradonis on Nov 29, 2020 12:38:34 GMT
Thanks to bedinsis for putting everything in one post, because the formating let me use other peoples ideas to put together a new theory, or at least new to me. Jeanne never had to do anything, not even guard the waters. Everything she did, was her choice, the court just knew that what it was doing was awful enough that she would act as a guard for the waters. Her killing everyone who tried to cross out of spite was cool with them and all, but they also knew that, even in a "she is so noble that she could never turn truly evil" situation she would always act as a guard against real threats like Coyote and Satan. Even if she wasn't killing everyone the court could sleep soundly knowing that good old Jeanne would only let nice people like Annie or a deer cross. My theory about how Jeanne crossed the river, [cut short for readability]. I really like that one! It also neatly explains why the suicide fairies saw Jeanne, but Kat apparently didn't.
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Post by mzpx on Nov 29, 2020 19:01:43 GMT
Not sure if this is someone else's wild spec already, but... Annie wasn't supposed to survive the fall, so Kat was never going to become a mecha-goddess and create a new form of life that requires its psychopomp. But the moment she did survive, Muut and the others recognised that there is a future need - so he immediately appears, gives Annie the blinker stone and gets her interested in freeing Jeanne. A rescue mission so dangerous that there would be a really good chance she would need to make the deal she eventually does make, thereby committing herself to become the psychopomp of the neo-robots. Quite efficient if you ask me. They tried to get Surma to join, but we know that they didn't try that particularly hard.
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Post by echo on Dec 1, 2020 23:11:00 GMT
My theory about how Jeanne crossed the river, [cut short for readability]. I really like that one! It also neatly explains why the suicide fairies saw Jeanne, but Kat apparently didn't. Isn't it more the valhalla fairies since they weren't allowed to do it themselves? though the court and its highschool being valhalla seems a far cry from the mead halls Beowulf talks about.
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Post by mturtle7 on Dec 2, 2020 18:42:10 GMT
I really like that one! It also neatly explains why the suicide fairies saw Jeanne, but Kat apparently didn't. Isn't it more the valhalla fairies since they weren't allowed to do it themselves? though the court and its highschool being valhalla seems a far cry from the mead halls Beowulf talks about. Huh...you know, I don't think I've ever seen anyone make that argument. They've just always been called "the suicide fairies" on this forum, when they weren't Red and Blue. It's a fair point, though, it's kind of a misnomer when direct suicide is totally not allowed!
...Thinking it over, however, I'd still say what they wanted still comes closer to "suicide" than "dying in battle", which is technically what "valhalla" requires. Maybe we'll just keep the misnomer.
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Post by pyradonis on Dec 3, 2020 12:03:01 GMT
Isn't it more the valhalla fairies since they weren't allowed to do it themselves? though the court and its highschool being valhalla seems a far cry from the mead halls Beowulf talks about. Huh...you know, I don't think I've ever seen anyone make that argument. They've just always been called "the suicide fairies" on this forum, when they weren't Red and Blue. It's a fair point, though, it's kind of a misnomer when direct suicide is totally not allowed!
...Thinking it over, however, I'd still say what they wanted still comes closer to "suicide" than "dying in battle", which is technically what "valhalla" requires. Maybe we'll just keep the misnomer.
English is not my first language, but I think it is still appropriate to call the faires "suicidal", if they ask anybody they meet to kill them. I imagine they would not even see sitting on a railway until they are run over by a train as cheating, because it would be the train to kill them, not themselves. Also, "death-wish fairies" is not as easy to pronounce.
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Post by echo on Dec 3, 2020 19:25:36 GMT
Isn't it more the valhalla fairies since they weren't allowed to do it themselves? though the court and its highschool being valhalla seems a far cry from the mead halls Beowulf talks about. Huh...you know, I don't think I've ever seen anyone make that argument. They've just always been called "the suicide fairies" on this forum, when they weren't Red and Blue. It's a fair point, though, it's kind of a misnomer when direct suicide is totally not allowed!
...Thinking it over, however, I'd still say what they wanted still comes closer to "suicide" than "dying in battle", which is technically what "valhalla" requires. Maybe we'll just keep the misnomer.
I mean, the dilemma, comical in appearance is what stemmed this discussion. If to pass the test the fairies need to die, but NOT kill themselves directly, then naturally there will be a debate about their demise being "suicide" or not. Hey, I guess this makes us the Gunnerkrigg Court! As Judge Echo, I for one am of the opinion that the most accurate phrase is to call them the "euthanasia fairies", based on the details present. Unless, of course, they weren't the ones being tested?
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Post by pyradonis on Dec 3, 2020 19:33:13 GMT
Unless, of course, they weren't the ones being tested? Now that sounds like an interesting thought...
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Post by echo on Dec 3, 2020 20:12:49 GMT
I'm not that sure it is interesting. If Gunnerkrigg Court is a scientific court said to study students with etheric powers, then they're testing the students constantly. Both, like, in the sense of a test that students take, and in the sense of testing the students subtly, and not so subtly.
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Post by Runningflame on Dec 4, 2020 3:15:45 GMT
As Judge Echo, I for one am of the opinion that the most accurate phrase is to call them the "euthanasia fairies", based on the details present. ... Maybe just "thanasia." I'm not sure being eaten (alive?) qualifies as a good death.
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Post by wies on Dec 4, 2020 5:11:46 GMT
As Judge Echo, I for one am of the opinion that the most accurate phrase is to call them the "euthanasia fairies", based on the details present. ... Maybe just "thanasia." I'm not sure being eaten (alive?) qualifies as a good death. Huh, wonder if that counts as consensual cannibalism.
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Post by pyradonis on Dec 4, 2020 10:16:33 GMT
... Maybe just "thanasia." I'm not sure being eaten (alive?) qualifies as a good death. Huh, wonder if that counts as consensual cannibalism. It doesn't, if only because for it to be cannibalism, other fairies would have to eat them.
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